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Posted 15 January 2007 - 03:11 PM

Size...this is why our run defense is weak...this is why Vilma can't run free...this is our OLB's can't get as much pressure as they might...this is why our secondary is forced to cover for so long...this is why our defense can't get off the field...

Take a look at these successful 3-4 defensive lines...than take a look at our's...

Dallas Cowboys

LE - 6'4" 300
NT - 6'3" 310
RE - 6'7" 300

San Diego Chargers

LE - 6'3" 290
NT - 6'3" 348
RE - 6'6" 309

New England Patriots

LE - 6'5" 300
NT - 6'2" 325
RE - 6'6" 310

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LE - 6'5" 285
NT - 6'1" 317
RE - 6'4" 295

We need to average atleast over 300 pounds. The Patriot's starters average 312 pounds. The Chargers average 316 pounds. Our defensive line averages 299 pounds. It all starts up front...we solidified the offensve by rebuilding the offensive line in last year's draft. Now we need to solidify the defense by rebuilding the defensive line.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 03:26 PM

Shaun Ellis is really around 295, he gained up around there last offseason. But yea we really need to get bigger. Our next DE, needs to be 295+ I would like a guy that is like 310. How much does that guy Carriker weigh? He is like 295 right? He could gain up to 305.
Thats why I hate when people say Vilma should be traded, when there is smaller ILBs in 3-4. Its the guys up front that matters, plus Vilma proved the last 3 weeks of this season that he can be a all pro LB in the 3-4, when he made a shit load of plays.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 03:33 PM

I don't think size is the problem. Well, not the biggest problem. The problem is twofold. First, even though Dewayne did improve vastly as the season went on, he's just not a NT. It's not his game. He's good at getting to the QB, not eating up blockers. And two, Kimo. Kimo was just awful this year and there is no way he is the starter next year. Whether it's Dewayne at DE with a new NT or Dewayne at NT(with more experience) with a new DE, I fully expect the line to be better next year.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 04:31 PM

LOL, you're 9 months late, sort of. This is when some (obviously myself included) thought we could try and have D-Rob as a DE in the 3-4. I wonder if that would work. http://nyjetsfan.com...topic=11302&hl=
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 05:00 PM

Haha...looks like you're way ahead of the game Chadforprez. I've been calling for D Rob to DE since last season too. Just made this topic becaus so many people have been saying we need linebackers and trade Vilma and this and that...but if we fix the line we fix a lot of the defense.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 05:10 PM

MAYBE (big maybe, just a thought) we should move kimo to NT and either sign a DE, draft a DE or move robertson to DE, didnt they play him their once and he did pretty good, or we could just start bobby hamilton at DE and shaun ellis
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 05:12 PM

QUOTE (JetsMan4012 @ Jan 15 2007, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
MAYBE (big maybe, just a thought) we should move kimo to NT and either sign a DE, draft a DE or move robertson to DE, didnt they play him their once and he did pretty good, or we could just start bobby hamilton at DE and shaun ellis


Nope...Kimo is a goner...or atleast not a starter. Keep him around for his team attitude and experience maybe...

But I don't think the answer to our defensive line problem is currently on the roster...the answer to our DE problem is however...Dewayne Robertson...
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 05:25 PM

when robertson was drafted he was billed as the next warren sapp. now he never lived up to that when we were running the 4-3 but now that hes a nose in the 3-4 he has no shot at pass rushing. his size and skill set really play towards a 3-4 end and im really excited to see what he can do there. if we found a big body in the middle and with ellis and robertson at end, i believe we'd have one of the better defensive lines in the league and that will greatly help our linebackers

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 05:30 PM

Size isn't everything but when you look at the main area of the dline all the stellar defenses have that N.T stud/space eater. The Cowboys 3-4 is weak and leaky. But the Chargers,Pats and Steelers all have that big nasty N.T. We will not be successful untill we have won. Ellis is still a big guy and good for the 3-4 but we need an OLB and N.T. BAD!!!

QUOTE (ellisjersey92 @ Jan 15 2007, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
when robertson was drafted he was billed as the next warren sapp. now he never lived up to that when we were running the 4-3 but now that hes a nose in the 3-4 he has no shot at pass rushing. his size and skill set really play towards a 3-4 end and im really excited to see what he can do there. if we found a big body in the middle and with ellis and robertson at end, i believe we'd have one of the better defensive lines in the league and that will greatly help our linebackers


We played D.Rob at DE schematically this year.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 06:23 PM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ Jan 15 2007, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Size isn't everything but when you look at the main area of the dline all the stellar defenses have that N.T stud/space eater. The Cowboys 3-4 is weak and leaky. But the Chargers,Pats and Steelers all have that big nasty N.T. We will not be successful untill we have won. Ellis is still a big guy and good for the 3-4 but we need an OLB and N.T. BAD!!!
We played D.Rob at DE schematically this year.

The Cowboys 3-4 is good, they stuff the run like all the time. They just cant defend the pass, when teams bring 4 WRs out and spread their defense. Otherwise they were big in the middle and stuffed the run.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 06:39 PM

If only we had a NT that demanded to be doubled teamed.We must stop the run and let J-vilma roam free.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 07:22 PM

What about these prospects for NT in the upcoming draft?

Amobi Okoye-6-1 317
Paul Soliai-6-4 334
Stanley Doughty-6-1 331

I wouldnt mind taking Amobi in the first round at all, he is only 20, was a 16 year old freshmen and has tons of potiential to be a huge NT.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 07:26 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 15 2007, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What about these prospects for NT in the upcoming draft?

Amobi Okoye-6-1 317
Paul Soliai-6-4 334
Stanley Doughty-6-1 331

I wouldnt mind taking Amobi in the first round at all, he is only 20, was a 16 year old freshmen and has tons of potiential to be a huge NT.


I've thought about that...but chances are with his unwarranted, massive draft hype...Okoye will be gone by 25. So chances are no...but I'd like to have him.

I'm still holding out on Tui coming back and dominating as a NT...it's gonna happen ladies!!! I'm telling you...it's gonna happen!!!
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 07:29 PM

i haven't heard of the last two guys but i like their size. bringing in guys that are robertson's size doesn't really make any sense

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 07:32 PM

QUOTE (ellisjersey92 @ Jan 15 2007, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i haven't heard of the last two guys but i like their size. bringing in guys that are robertson's size doesn't really make any sense


But it isn't only about size...Robertson has the size...almost...he just doesn't have the style required to be a NT. You know that...he's a pass rusher not a run stopper. You need a space eating, gap clogging guy at NT....D Rob isn't that.

Plus Okoye is only 19 and can most likely easily put on a lot more weight.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 07:34 PM

Speaking of NT/the draft does anyone have opinons Louis Leonard from Fresno state? He seems like he could be what we need.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 07:38 PM

QUOTE (smallguy @ Jan 15 2007, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Speaking of NT/the draft does anyone have opinons Louis Leonard from Fresno state? He seems like he could be what we need.


Maybe in 4 years he could be...but he's the farthest thing from a polished prospect. We already have a project player...he's called Tui Alierakufjsadfjabsfnsafda something...


EDIT - I just checked the Jets roster...Tui is nowhere to be found...he isn't on NFL.com...apparently...we should all stop thinking about Tui.

Pouha...however...is still there...let's hope he makes an impact next year...
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 07:53 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 15 2007, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Size...this is why our run defense is weak...this is why Vilma can't run free...this is our OLB's can't get as much pressure as they might...this is why our secondary is forced to cover for so long...this is why our defense can't get off the field...

Take a look at these successful 3-4 defensive lines...than take a look at our's...

Dallas Cowboys

LE - 6'4" 300
NT - 6'3" 310
RE - 6'7" 300

San Diego Chargers

LE - 6'3" 290
NT - 6'3" 348
RE - 6'6" 309

New England Patriots

LE - 6'5" 300
NT - 6'2" 325
RE - 6'6" 310

New York Jets

LE - 6'5" 285
NT - 6'1" 317
RE - 6'4" 295

We need to average atleast over 300 pounds. The Patriot's starters average 312 pounds. The Chargers average 316 pounds. Our defensive line averages 299 pounds. It all starts up front...we solidified the offensve by rebuilding the offensive line in last year's draft. Now we need to solidify the defense by rebuilding the defensive line.


i think we definitely should use our first rounder on a 3-4 DE this draft. we should definitely draft adam carriker since he would definitely make our dline a lot bigger:

LE- ellis 6'5 290
NT- robertson 6'1 320
RE- carriker 6'6 300

considering lynch will be gone by our first rounder, it has to be carriker in the first round. if carriker's stock has dropped, and lynch is gone, we can go woodley in the first then carriker in the second. however, LB isn't as big of a need as the dline. we do need another pass rush from the OLB spot bc hobson will eventually move inside when barton is cut in a couple of years. we need to address DLine, RB, OLB in that order this draft and what is tricky is that there probably won't be any one worth it at RB by our own 2nd round pick via trade/draft so we might need to use the first on a RB via trade/draft and draft spencer with our own 2nd rounder which i would be happy with.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 07:53 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 15 2007, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe in 4 years he could be...but he's the farthest thing from a polished prospect. We already have a project player...he's called Tui Alierakufjsadfjabsfnsafda something...
EDIT - I just checked the Jets roster...Tui is nowhere to be found...he isn't on NFL.com...apparently...we should all stop thinking about Tui.

Pouha...however...is still there...let's hope he makes an impact next year...

Tui is on the team, they put him on IR, so he is there. Remember? He may not be listed because he is a pratice squad kind of guy. But yea, I really like Tui, he did good in the preseason games and in training camp, he is a big man that can move around and uses his hands well. He may be a good NT, but if we have the chance for Okoye then we have to take it. He is a high risk high reward kind of guy with all the potiential he has. Hopefully he will fall, but DTs usually go fast, but they said he is perfect for NT in the 3-4.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 08:22 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 15 2007, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Tui is on the team, they put him on IR, so he is there. Remember? He may not be listed because he is a pratice squad kind of guy. But yea, I really like Tui, he did good in the preseason games and in training camp, he is a big man that can move around and uses his hands well. He may be a good NT, but if we have the chance for Okoye then we have to take it. He is a high risk high reward kind of guy with all the potiential he has. Hopefully he will fall, but DTs usually go fast, but they said he is perfect for NT in the 3-4.


Nope...I checked every roster list on newyorkjets.com...

He isn't on the Injured Reserve List...

He isn't on the Practice Squad List...

He isn't anywhere...I'm assuming he's out of football...

Pouha is on the injured reserve list...but Tui isn't...
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