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MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) good
MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) Best day of the week is the day after a Jets Win!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
santana Icon : (19 September 2016 - 08:08 AM) Thanks professor
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Leon The Next Westbrook?

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 10:52 PM

I cant really hate on the people who say that they would give up a 1st rounder for michael turner b/c the guy seems like the real deal but i cant help but think that somehow this would work out in the chargers favor like it usually does when they make trades...and he's only been a backup and hasnt shouldered a full work load in the nfl...will he break down after consecutive 20 carry games?


With that being said i think that we have the answer already in our own backfield.....Leon Washington...he has proved that he has the ability to run hard like Tiki and Make quick moves in open space like westbrook....his rookie season has been overshadow by some of the better rookies......comparing westbrooks, tiki, and leon's rookie rushing stats


tiki's rookie year- 511 rushing yards 299 rec yards 4 TD's
westbrooks rookie year- 193 rushing yards 86 rec yards 0 TD'
leon's rookie year- 650 rushing yard 250 recieving yards 4 TD's

he's also already had two 20+ carries games which all resulted in 100+ yard games and is averaging 4.3 yard per carry behind a young O-Line that is better suited for pass protection and put up these number in a running back by committee system....

he is built in that westbrook/barber type mold and all he needs is a pounder like a michael bush who should be there in the 2nd round to form a powerful 1-2 punch that any team in the league would have trouble stopping
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 11:00 PM

we should have a 2 back system keep leon and either draft lynch or bush or maybe trade for turner but i dont think leon can do it all by himself
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 11:41 PM

I don't like the Westbrook comparison for one. Westbrook is a "do it all back" Leon isn't like that. Leon would hard ever line up on the LOS and actually be a factor. I compare leon to Warrick Dunn and that's a damn good comparison.

However with our RB situation we definately need a another back and perhaps Leon and Turner is too much considering Leon will get better used and will be more accustom to the pro's. Maybe drafting a back is the way to go. But I'll probably change my mind tomarrow anyways

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 11:54 PM

like i said before...najeh davenport. hes an unrestricted free agent and we certainly have the money. at 6'1 247 he is a bruiser that would be PERFECT for the two to play off each other. i like leon but i think we can all agree that he isnt going to be able to run through the tackles effectively unless he adds some bulk, but that would sacrifice his speed. davenport has showed he can play in the league when he was in green bay and if we can get him to sign, we'd shore up our backfield for years since he's only 27

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 12:02 AM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ Jan 16 2007, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't like the Westbrook comparison for one. Westbrook is a "do it all back" Leon isn't like that. Leon would hard ever line up on the LOS and actually be a factor. I compare leon to Warrick Dunn and that's a damn good comparison.

However with our RB situation we definately need a another back and perhaps Leon and Turner is too much considering Leon will get better used and will be more accustom to the pro's. Maybe drafting a back is the way to go. But I'll probably change my mind tomarrow anyways




i actually like the dunn comparison alot also...never thought of it...but the jets didnt involve him the passing game nearly enough last season........only caught 25 passes but avg 10.8 ypc and thats damn good......... and we all seen he can be a factor as reciever in that miami game and when people say he is too small brian westbrook is barely 5' 6'', leon is 5'8''


i fully agree that we need a player like davenport to complement leon but the jets need to do their homework this time and make sure they dont get stuck with another kevin barlow................but davenport would be a solid pickup if we cant get bush in later rounds
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 12:38 AM

QUOTE (ellisjersey92 @ Jan 15 2007, 09:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
like i said before...najeh davenport. hes an unrestricted free agent and we certainly have the money. at 6'1 247 he is a bruiser that would be PERFECT for the two to play off each other. i like leon but i think we can all agree that he isnt going to be able to run through the tackles effectively unless he adds some bulk, but that would sacrifice his speed. davenport has showed he can play in the league when he was in green bay and if we can get him to sign, we'd shore up our backfield for years since he's only 27


i don't like davenport. he's overrated. gado was better then him. davenport is no better then houston
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 03:06 AM

Im with Jetsfan115 on this. Najeh Davenport is no better than Cedric Houston. Houston is younger and they already have him. I think they should stick with Leon and Houston. They are a couple of young cheap backs that complement each other well. If Barlow gets cut, which he should, I think they could draft a guy like Tony Hunt in maybe the 3rd round. I don't think they should draft one in the first or give up a first for turner. They have bigger needs.
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 03:18 AM

houston is worthless. hes a half back that runs like a fullback. a big body is good but not someone who cant hit the holes in time and with enough burst. davenports just an idea, but houston is no answer to our problem at HB.

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 03:20 AM

QUOTE (ellisjersey92 @ Jan 16 2007, 12:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
houston is worthless. hes a half back that runs like a fullback. a big body is good but not someone who cant hit the holes in time and with enough burst. davenports just an idea, but houston is no answer to our problem at HB.


turner is the answer with leon splitting carries
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 10:57 AM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Jan 16 2007, 08:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
turner is the answer with leon splitting carries


Do you really want to have to probably give up a 1st rounder for a guy splitting carries with someone? I don't. With a 1st rounder I would prefer someone to come in and not have to split carries.
I know Bush and McAllister have split carries this year but there will come a time when one of them is weeded out for the other plus Bush was used heavily as a receiver (see his team leading catches).
I don't want a bit part player for a 1st round pick that's for sure.
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 11:49 AM

QUOTE (Smedsthejet @ Jan 16 2007, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you really want to have to probably give up a 1st rounder for a guy splitting carries with someone? I don't. With a 1st rounder I would prefer someone to come in and not have to split carries.
I know Bush and McAllister have split carries this year but there will come a time when one of them is weeded out for the other plus Bush was used heavily as a receiver (see his team leading catches).
I don't want a bit part player for a 1st round pick that's for sure.


Seriously. It's absolutely incredible stupid to give up a 1st round or even a 2nd round pick for a guy that isn't gonna carry the whole load.
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 01:16 PM

if we dont spend that 1st pick on the defense then something is seriously wrong
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 01:40 PM

QUOTE (VaNDelaYInDusTrIEs @ Jan 16 2007, 04:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Im with Jetsfan115 on this. Najeh Davenport is no better than Cedric Houston. Houston is younger and they already have him. I think they should stick with Leon and Houston. They are a couple of young cheap backs that complement each other well. If Barlow gets cut, which he should, I think they could draft a guy like Tony Hunt in maybe the 3rd round. I don't think they should draft one in the first or give up a first for turner. They have bigger needs.


And I'm with you Vandelay. Tony Hunt is a curtis Martin clone. You and I know because we watched him all year. He is humble, intense, and committed like Curtis was and he is not a flashy, make 'em miss back either. Hunt takes what he is given and is not afraid to take a hit to get those extra yards, and believe me he will get them. When it becomes availible I will post some vids of him at his best. He's the all time number 2 back in Penn State history which is rich in talented backs like Larry Johnson and Kijana Carter. Hunt is a Mangini kinda player, unselfish and a hard worker. He has the heart of a champion and when the JEts draft him you will all come to love him very quickly.

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here is his career stats.
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 01:48 PM

QUOTE (HermIsMyHero @ Jan 16 2007, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And I'm with you Vandelay. Tony Hunt is a curtis Martin clone. You and I know because we watched him all year. He is humble, intense, and committed like Curtis was and he is not a flashy, make 'em miss back either. Hunt takes what he is given and is not afraid to take a hit to get those extra yards, and believe me he will get them. When it becomes availible I will post some vids of him at his best. He's the all time number 2 back in Penn State history which is rich in talented backs like Larry Johnson and Kijana Carter. Hunt is a Mangini kinda player, unselfish and a hard worker. He has the heart of a champion and when the JEts draft him you will all come to love him very quickly.

http://sports.espn.g...playerId=152310

here is his career stats.
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i love the hunt pick for all those reason and especially b/c he'll be their in those later rounds and provides a perfect change up to leon
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 02:23 PM

That is why part of me doesnt want a new back, but another part wants one just incase he isnt a full time guy. But a big part of me wants to go out and get more offensive linemen to start, and revamp the right side of the line this year. with last year being the left side. Now we need a RT and a OG.
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 02:50 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Jan 16 2007, 01:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i don't like davenport. he's overrated. gado was better then him. davenport is no better then houston


I also agree with 115. Houston= Davenport. Yea O.K maybe Davenport has alittle better of a skill set then Houston but their basically the same back. You don't release Houston and sign Davenport. Not disrespect to ellisjersey but I'm just not feeling it
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 03:19 PM

#1 Leon Washington can and HAS shouldered the load of carries

#2 hes run effectively up the middle all year why can he suddenly not do it since hes small and hes not playing during the offseason?

and Everyone doubted Warrick Dunn his whole career and i seriousl think some of that is goin on here. yes a brusing rb to COMPLIMENT Leon would be good but we dont need a 1st round rb or high profile guy.

Leon can and should be the starting RB with a big power back commin in to finish it off, worked for the Steelers why not us?

I think Leon proved himself even though he coulda gotten more carries and really show himself. I mean Honestly, the guy had a 100 yard rush game with 2 td's in one of his first starts and had a 100 yard receiving game.

This guy is the real deal and im tired of seeing him overlooked

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 03:49 PM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 15 2007, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I cant really hate on the people who say that they would give up a 1st rounder for michael turner b/c the guy seems like the real deal but i cant help but think that somehow this would work out in the chargers favor like it usually does when they make trades...and he's only been a backup and hasnt shouldered a full work load in the nfl...will he break down after consecutive 20 carry games?
With that being said i think that we have the answer already in our own backfield.....Leon Washington...he has proved that he has the ability to run hard like Tiki and Make quick moves in open space like westbrook....his rookie season has been overshadow by some of the better rookies......comparing westbrooks, tiki, and leon's rookie rushing stats
tiki's rookie year- 511 rushing yards 299 rec yards 4 TD's
westbrooks rookie year- 193 rushing yards 86 rec yards 0 TD'
leon's rookie year- 650 rushing yard 250 recieving yards 4 TD's

he's also already had two 20+ carries games which all resulted in 100+ yard games and is averaging 4.3 yard per carry behind a young O-Line that is better suited for pass protection and put up these number in a running back by committee system....

he is built in that westbrook/barber type mold and all he needs is a pounder like a michael bush who should be there in the 2nd round to form a powerful 1-2 punch that any team in the league would have trouble stopping

u beat me too it, i WAS THINKING THE SAME EXACT THING! i was actually thinking of starting the topic sometime, i mean their both small, their both good at recieving, their both very quick, and when they get their amount of deserved carriess they can be a threat in the run game too IMO.
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 05:44 PM

It sure would be nice to have some big road graders up front that are the ones grabing their Lb's and opening big holes for our running backs. When your line is getting dominated you just feel helpless.
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 06:01 PM

QUOTE (VaNDelaYInDusTrIEs @ Jan 16 2007, 03:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Im with Jetsfan115 on this. Najeh Davenport is no better than Cedric Houston. Houston is younger and they already have him. I think they should stick with Leon and Houston. They are a couple of young cheap backs that complement each other well. If Barlow gets cut, which he should, I think they could draft a guy like Tony Hunt in maybe the 3rd round. I don't think they should draft one in the first or give up a first for turner. They have bigger needs.



Hey Vandelay, are you a Penn Stater? Or do you just think Tony Hunt is legit?


On another note, I think we should just keep Leon and Cedric, cut Barlow, then draft a running back, like that dude from N.Illinois. Im telling you he's gonna be a monster...or yea, Tony Hunt, he's great.




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