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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 02:40 PM

QUOTE (Mehlfan @ Jan 21 2007, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i think that prioritizes the needs on O and would allow everyone to succeed more .

but , at some point they have to add to the TE position for depth and competition . Baker should do better .


Correction...Baker will do better.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 02:45 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 21 2007, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Correction...Baker will do better.


i think you're right . what i meant by should is that her appears to be needed to be pushed more .

but i also think that he's lacking in fire and i don't trust him and i wonder if the coaches do fully either . but he certainly showed signs at the end .
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 01:21 AM

Like you say the oline should be solidified in FA......when you have a player who can be a great you have to take that player especially b/c we will only use a 2nd rounder to get him.........if we get him he'd make our passing attack that much more dangerous,,,,,O bye the way did anyone see Dallas Clark had today...............but who needs great TE's right............you guys almost had me on that boat but i've seen what the difference between good and great......but who needs great players right?
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 12:06 PM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 22 2007, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like you say the oline should be solidified in FA......when you have a player who can be a great you have to take that player especially b/c we will only use a 2nd rounder to get him.........if we get him he'd make our passing attack that much more dangerous,,,,,O bye the way did anyone see Dallas Clark had today...............but who needs great TE's right............you guys almost had me on that boat but i've seen what the difference between good and great......but who needs great players right?


You mean what did Peyton Manning do? Or Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne? Or Addai and Rhodes? Or how about the Indy offensive line...

Yeah if Chris Baker had that supporting cast something tells me he'd be just as good if not better than Dallas Clark...

They have almost identical height and weight...and Clark's best year was 488 yards. Baker's best if 300. Clark has scored 5 TD's in one season...Baker has scored 4.

Now if you put Dallas Clark on the Jets...something tells me his numbers would drop significantly. Clark rarely ever blocks in Indy, and is always out running routes. To say Clark has a slight QB advantage would be a crime. You just can't compare them...except their measurables...which Baker probably wins out in anyway...

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Posted 22 January 2007 - 01:26 PM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 19 2007, 03:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
elite TE's in this league right now: gonzalez, heap, shockey, gates, crumpler, witten

the lowest recieving yards among all those guys is 626 and he played 15 games
Baker started all 16 games and had 300 recieving yards.
crumpler had the least receptions out of all those guys and 56
baker had 31 receptions
Out of all those guys gonzalez had the least TD's at 5 in 15 games
Baker had 4 TD's in 16 games


Sorry to chime in so late here, but you really are making an argument against your point here. Yes the statistics you listed are all correct..but the whole point here is that Baker is underutilized. If you took any of your "elite" players above and only threw them 40 balls..trust me, they would have the same numbers as Baker. In fact maybe even worse.

Baker had 4 TD grabs in only 31 receptions. Im sure thats one of the best ratios amongst all the TEs above. Not to mention its actually 5 TDs. (cleveland)

Baker has shown that he can play at a higher level...evidenced by the fact that he has caught for over 100 yards in a game. He has shown that he can find open space in the field. Its just a matter of under utilization plain and simple. Its possible though that Schotts eyes opened slightly and the level of his play calling may have taken a step up in the Pats game when he realized Baker was on the field. Maybe this will carry over into next year...maybe.

Back to the original point of the topic though...if for some reason one of these guys takes a tremendous slide down the draft, I would certainly consider taking them. I am a firm believer that the 3rd round and beyond is reserved for taking the best athlete available.
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 01:39 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 22 2007, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You mean what did Peyton Manning do? Or Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne? Or Addai and Rhodes? Or how about the Indy offensive line...

Yeah if Chris Baker had that supporting cast something tells me he'd be just as good if not better than Dallas Clark...

They have almost identical height and weight...and Clark's best year was 488 yards. Baker's best if 300. Clark has scored 5 TD's in one season...Baker has scored 4.

Now if you put Dallas Clark on the Jets...something tells me his numbers would drop significantly. Clark rarely ever blocks in Indy, and is always out running routes. To say Clark has a slight QB advantage would be a crime. You just can't compare them...except their measurables...which Baker probably wins out in anyway...

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what does height and weight have to do with anything? Almost every TE have the same height and weight.........do you actually now how many times Baker blocks or are just pulling this out of somewhere? And have you watched every colts game to say the same about clark ........i can understand people who defend chad but Really please hop off Chris Baker's Meat. The guy is nothing more than a no.2 TE. He has done absolutely nothing in his career to suggest he can be an elite TE or even hang with somebody like dallas clark......And to say Peyton is the better overall QB than Chad but he did look like CHAD against the pats..he wasnt great all playoffs all he did was manage games..clark mad amazing catches...dallas clark was proving he could play even when he was a rookie....and you even want to suggest that chris baker can be as good as him in his 6th year?... hysterical.gif ...please take that crap some where else

QUOTE (Pennington @ Jan 22 2007, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry to chime in so late here, but you really are making an argument against your point here. Yes the statistics you listed are all correct..but the whole point here is that Baker is underutilized. If you took any of your "elite" players above and only threw them 40 balls..trust me, they would have the same numbers as Baker. In fact maybe even worse.

Baker had 4 TD grabs in only 31 receptions. Im sure thats one of the best ratios amongst all the TEs above. Not to mention its actually 5 TDs. (cleveland)

Baker has shown that he can play at a higher level...evidenced by the fact that he has caught for over 100 yards in a game. He has shown that he can find open space in the field. Its just a matter of under utilization plain and simple. Its possible though that Schotts eyes opened slightly and the level of his play calling may have taken a step up in the Pats game when he realized Baker was on the field. Maybe this will carry over into next year...maybe.

Back to the original point of the topic though...if for some reason one of othese guys takes a tremendous slide down the draft, I would certainly consider taking them. I am a firm believer that the 3rd round and beyond is reserved for taking the best athlete available.



Bottom line if you were a GM and you had the chance to take a Guy in the 2nd rd who had the chance to be great and still have a decent no.2 TE in chris baker what would you do? And doug Jolley has had 100 games but nobody would believe he can be great
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 01:44 PM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 22 2007, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what does height and weight have to do with anything? Almost every TE have the same height and weight.........do you actually now how many times Baker blocks or are just pulling this out of somewhere? And have you watched every colts game to say the same about clark ........i can understand people who defend chad but Really please hop off Chris Baker's Meat. The guy is nothing more than a no.2 TE. He has done absolutely nothing in his career to suggest he can be an elite TE or even hang with somebody like dallas clark......And to say Peyton is the better overall QB than Chad but he did look like CHAD against the pats..he wasnt great all playoffs all he did was manage games..clark mad amazing catches...dallas clark was proving he could play even when he was a rookie....and you even want to suggest that chris baker can be as good as him in his 6th year?... hysterical.gif ...please take take that crap some where else
Bottom line if you were a GM and you had the chance to take a Guy in the 2nd rd who had the chance to be great and still have a decent no.2 TE in chris baker what would you do? And doug Jolley has had 100 games but nobody would believe he can be great


It depends what other players were available on the board such as RBs, OLBs, DEs and NTs because with the depth in this draft class there is surely going to be someone available in the 2nd that will fill one of these needs and not be considered a reach. To be honest I'd prioritise a 3rd WR above TE if McCareins likely shown the door.
Baker doesn't deserve to be a #2 TE and he showed this year that if utilized more, he can be an above average starter.
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 04:12 PM

I have watched A LOT of colts games. I have seen nothing to make me think that Dallas Clark is any better than Chris Baker. Dallas Clark has been starting for almost 4 full years for the best offense in the NFL over that span. He plays in an offense where you basically need to have legs to succeed. He spends little of his time blocking and runs far more routes than Chris Baker. Chris Baker, meanwhile, has been starting for two years, during which he has spent much of his time blocking. If Chris Baker played on the colts, he would be at least as successful as Dallas Clark.
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Posted 22 January 2007 - 06:41 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 22 2007, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Get out of my house.


i actually laughed out loud with that... hahahahah
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