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MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) good
MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) Best day of the week is the day after a Jets Win!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
santana Icon : (19 September 2016 - 08:08 AM) Thanks professor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:55 PM) updated roster. FB howsare released, TE bowman added to roster
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 04:04 PM

Woodley, Spencer and Moss all sound like pretty similar players. I can't see them taking two guys who have the same game. If they got Moss in the first, I don't see them going after Woodley or Spencer in the second.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 04:08 PM

some teams do use a Defense like that tho where they come out with one huge DT and everyone else plays as a linebacker.........i think the steeler used it and the ravens definitely use it so your not wrong its just primarily as pass defense D......... its an interesting idea
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 04:39 PM

I love this mock but we don't need 2 scatbacks. Irons in a dumb pick. Moss and francis are amazing picks. I'd be happy
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 04:39 PM

well the three positions i want addressed in the first 2 round this draft are DE, OLB, and RB. im pretty sure everyone agrees with me. the only position we should spend money on this offseason should be CB because they are such a crapshoot in the draft and we should only go after asante samuel only because of the combination of his age, skill, and prior familiarity with eric mangini.

now i want to discuss the players i hope we can grab and why i think this mock draft does not make sense.

adam carriker going to the broncos at #21. no way do the broncos pick a DE in the first round. they really needed a safety before the darrent williams tragedy and now need a cornerback. if nelson and landry are both off the board, they will pick a CB since it is their biggest need. especially with the abundant amount of them in this draft. they will not pick dline. also, carriker would not be a great 4-3 DE since he lacks the initial speed burst that an edge rusher possesses. he is optimal to be a 3-4 DE which is essentially an undersized DT, which he would fit in only 6 teams in the nfl. chargers, patriots, cowboys, browns, and steelers. only the steelers and browns need to get some Dline help for the future, but the browns will not take him at 3, maybe 35 so we need to scoop him in between. the steelers could take him, but it might be a reach since it's not an immediate need like it is for us. so i hope its carriker at #25 for the jets.

micheal bush going to ravens at #61. ravens do need a RB and it was stupid of them to let go of chester taylor. same type of deal with us letting go of lamont jordan. both wanted a big payday and both teams held on to the past for too long. they do need a RB to replace jamal lewis but i there is no way bush slides all the way down to the end of the 2nd round. he will definitely go top 50 at least, and probably moreso in the beginning of the 2nd round. i hope we snatch him at #37 because he would enable us to have a sick RB tandem with him and washington. so i hope its bush at #37.

jarvis moss going to the jets at #25. though an OLB is definitely a need for us, its not the primary need. our primary need this offseason is actually Dline, RB, CB, Oline, then OLB. i hope we do not use our first pick on moss, since this draft is SOOOO deep in DE/OLB tweeners. the guys i want to draft are either lamar woodley who nfldraftcountdown predicts will go to the rams at #45. no way do the rams draft woodley to play DE. he cannot play the 4-3 DE or the 4-3 OLB effectively. its just not his position. anthony spencer is predicted to go to the steelers at #48 which would be a good pick for them. so i hope at #57, one of these three, woodley, spencer, or moss will drop. we might as well make sure we get the players that the draft does not have much depth in, 3-4 DE or RB, and then take our chances on an OLB that falls to #57 which isn't that far to fall mind you.

optimal but realistic situation would be to get carriker at #25, bush at #37, and spencer at #57. that would make it 2 great draft years in a row. probably the first in the history of the jets.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 06:14 PM

QUOTE (jhsensation10 @ Jan 18 2007, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
well the three positions i want addressed in the first 2 round this draft are DE, OLB, and RB. im pretty sure everyone agrees with me. the only position we should spend money on this offseason should be CB because they are such a crapshoot in the draft and we should only go after asante samuel only because of the combination of his age, skill, and prior familiarity with eric mangini.

now i want to discuss the players i hope we can grab and why i think this mock draft does not make sense.

adam carriker going to the broncos at #21. no way do the broncos pick a DE in the first round. they really needed a safety before the darrent williams tragedy and now need a cornerback. if nelson and landry are both off the board, they will pick a CB since it is their biggest need. especially with the abundant amount of them in this draft. they will not pick dline. also, carriker would not be a great 4-3 DE since he lacks the initial speed burst that an edge rusher possesses. he is optimal to be a 3-4 DE which is essentially an undersized DT, which he would fit in only 6 teams in the nfl. chargers, patriots, cowboys, browns, and steelers. only the steelers and browns need to get some Dline help for the future, but the browns will not take him at 3, maybe 35 so we need to scoop him in between. the steelers could take him, but it might be a reach since it's not an immediate need like it is for us. so i hope its carriker at #25 for the jets.

micheal bush going to ravens at #61. ravens do need a RB and it was stupid of them to let go of chester taylor. same type of deal with us letting go of lamont jordan. both wanted a big payday and both teams held on to the past for too long. they do need a RB to replace jamal lewis but i there is no way bush slides all the way down to the end of the 2nd round. he will definitely go top 50 at least, and probably moreso in the beginning of the 2nd round. i hope we snatch him at #37 because he would enable us to have a sick RB tandem with him and washington. so i hope its bush at #37.

jarvis moss going to the jets at #25. though an OLB is definitely a need for us, its not the primary need. our primary need this offseason is actually Dline, RB, CB, Oline, then OLB. i hope we do not use our first pick on moss, since this draft is SOOOO deep in DE/OLB tweeners. the guys i want to draft are either lamar woodley who nfldraftcountdown predicts will go to the rams at #45. no way do the rams draft woodley to play DE. he cannot play the 4-3 DE or the 4-3 OLB effectively. its just not his position. anthony spencer is predicted to go to the steelers at #48 which would be a good pick for them. so i hope at #57, one of these three, woodley, spencer, or moss will drop. we might as well make sure we get the players that the draft does not have much depth in, 3-4 DE or RB, and then take our chances on an OLB that falls to #57 which isn't that far to fall mind you.

optimal but realistic situation would be to get carriker at #25, bush at #37, and spencer at #57. that would make it 2 great draft years in a row. probably the first in the history of the jets.


That's hoping for a lot...none of those three look like they will drop to our 2b pick. And if they do drop that far...it's for a good reason...and we might not want to get him anyway.

I'm still holding onto Marshawn Lynch...but I'm starting to come to terms with the fact that he may not be a Jet...sigh. But if he does...I would like the draft to look like this.

1 - Marshawn Lynch - RB
2a - LaMarr Woodley/Jarvis Moss - OLB
2b - Ikiaka Alama-Francis - DE/Eric Weddle - S
3 - Baraka Atkins - DE/DT


The only quarrel I have with Francis is that he's more of a developmental prospect...and we cannot let Kimo step on that field for another down!!! And so I wonder...

Or...if no Marshawn for caney...

1 - Jarvis Moss - OLB
2a - Greg Olsen - TE
2b - Ikiaka Alama-Francis - DE/Eric Weddle - S
3 - Baraka Atkins - DE/DT
5 - Nate Ilaoa - RB
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 06:34 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 18 2007, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's hoping for a lot...none of those three look like they will drop to our 2b pick. And if they do drop that far...it's for a good reason...and we might not want to get him anyway.

I'm still holding onto Marshawn Lynch...but I'm starting to come to terms with the fact that he may not be a Jet...sigh. But if he does...I would like the draft to look like this.

1 - Marshawn Lynch - RB
2a - LaMarr Woodley/Jarvis Moss - OLB
2b - Ikiaka Alama-Francis - DE/Eric Weddle - S
3 - Baraka Atkins - DE/DT
The only quarrel I have with Francis is that he's more of a developmental prospect...and we cannot let Kimo step on that field for another down!!! And so I wonder...


its ok if marshawn is gone by our pick because that means we should get micheal bush. he was a monster in 2005 and had a nose for the endzone. it was like 2, 3, 4 TDs each game. he basically was the shaun alexander of the NCAA in 2005 when he scored 2 TDs each game and always got it in on the ground when it was inside the 10 yard line. thats what we need so badly. how many times does chad move the ball 60 yards into the redzone and we have to settle for 3?? its not like we have a 6'6 receiver that he can throw fade routes to. we have to run ball there, and with no real inside threat at RB, why honor the playaction that chad will try to use to freeze the LBs? bush and washington will be a superb combo, the same type as deuce and reggie, where it's thunder and lightning and both/either cannot be stopped.

like you said, alama-francis would be a project and i am not saying that carriker wouldn't be but we need someone to step in immediately and make the line stronger. talk to you later kimo and say hello to carriker hopefully. carriker is probably the closest to starting material that you can get from a rookie, and should fit in quite nicely in the 3-4.

i agree that it will be tough for moss/woodley/spencer to fall to our 2nd 2nd rounder. but there are a billions OLBs tweeners in this draft. (all these players are under 270) we have adams, moses, crowder, abiamiri, atkins. one of them is bound to fall to #57 since all 8 of them can't go top 57, since they are a mix between a DE and OLB, not to mention players we do not even know about yet. plus, we can always just go Oline with our 2nd 2nd rounder, with someone like aaron sears who is huge, if they are all gone. we are going to need to use a 2nd or 3rd rounder on an Olineman so i wouldn't mind it being our 2nd 2nd rounder.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 07:47 PM

If we get Kenny Irons I would be pissed, I dont like him at all, he may be good but he is almost the same thing that Washington is, a speed back. I dont think that Irons will be a work horse, I would only take Lynch and Bush, I would only take Bush in the 2nd round though.

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Jan 18 2007, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's hoping for a lot...none of those three look like they will drop to our 2b pick. And if they do drop that far...it's for a good reason...and we might not want to get him anyway.

I'm still holding onto Marshawn Lynch...but I'm starting to come to terms with the fact that he may not be a Jet...sigh. But if he does...I would like the draft to look like this.

1 - Marshawn Lynch - RB
2a - LaMarr Woodley/Jarvis Moss - OLB
2b - Ikiaka Alama-Francis - DE/Eric Weddle - S
3 - Baraka Atkins - DE/DT
The only quarrel I have with Francis is that he's more of a developmental prospect...and we cannot let Kimo step on that field for another down!!! And so I wonder...

Or...if no Marshawn for caney...

1 - Jarvis Moss - OLB
2a - Greg Olsen - TE
2b - Ikiaka Alama-Francis - DE/Eric Weddle - S
3 - Baraka Atkins - DE/DT
5 - Nate Ilaoa - RB

If Francis is a developmental prospect, then we can go out and sign Cory Redding from the FA to be a starter right now, he is 6-4 around 290, plays DT/DE, he would be good for the 3-4, he had 8 sacks this year from DT. Then we can have Franchis who would be Ellis replacement. I defintley do think that we need a OLB though, Hobson isnt good enough. He is overrated, he doesnt get off blocks well enough, he may be a good ILB, but I really dont know, and I think that Barton still has some good years and Barton is a player I really like, he has alot of energy and is a team leader and a hard hitter. He brings some nastyness to the LB corps. Thomas is a lock to start at one OLB, he like locks his side of the field up. He is good at getting off blocks and has long arms to keep the OTs off of him. Hobson doesnt have long arms so its harder for him to. I watched alot of the games over to look at certain postions, and Hobson's sacks came from when he blitzes around the guys when the blocks are all taken up, when he gets a OT in his face its hard for him to apply pressure. I like Hobson, but just dont feel that safe with him at OLB, I dont want us to lock him up yet. Wait another year, lock Rhodes and Cotchery up this year. The one thing I do like about Hobson is that when he does come flying in he hits the QB hard! The 2 most talented LBs we have though are Vilma and Thomas. Thomas looks to be a real good player, he has speed, height, long arms, smarts. I think though with NT, we have to answer that through the draft, try and get Hollis Thomas who is my first choice, hes the NT from the Saints, hes a UFA. Or go and get Sands, who I really dont like that much, but he has size. My problem with Sands is when we played them, he stands straight up all the time, maybe if he came here our coaches are more disaplined then theirs. His technique is horrible, our guys moved him because he stood straight up all the time.
Also, getting off of defense here, with one of our first 4 picks, we should take a OG. We need offensive line help, and I wouldnt want to be too Bradway and Herman with not taking o-linemen till the 2nd day. Unless we go out and sign Dielmen or Steinbach from the UFAs.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 07:55 PM

I'm trying to figure out his pick in Irons. He's 5'11 203lbs Leon is virtually the same back. I'm trying to decipher his understand with this pick. Why would he have us taking him when we have Leon Washington.

Moss as an OLB is an awesome pick and Francis as a developmental project is another good pick. I just wonder about the Irons pick though.

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 08:03 PM

QUOTE (jhsensation10 @ Jan 18 2007, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
well the three positions i want addressed in the first 2 round this draft are DE, OLB, and RB. im pretty sure everyone agrees with me. the only position we should spend money on this offseason should be CB because they are such a crapshoot in the draft and we should only go after asante samuel only because of the combination of his age, skill, and prior familiarity with eric mangini.
now i want to discuss the players i hope we can grab and why i think this mock draft does not make sense.

adam carriker going to the broncos at #21. no way do the broncos pick a DE in the first round. they really needed a safety before the darrent williams tragedy and now need a cornerback. if nelson and landry are both off the board, they will pick a CB since it is their biggest need. especially with the abundant amount of them in this draft. they will not pick dline. also, carriker would not be a great 4-3 DE since he lacks the initial speed burst that an edge rusher possesses. he is optimal to be a 3-4 DE which is essentially an undersized DT, which he would fit in only 6 teams in the nfl. chargers, patriots, cowboys, browns, and steelers. only the steelers and browns need to get some Dline help for the future, but the browns will not take him at 3, maybe 35 so we need to scoop him in between. the steelers could take him, but it might be a reach since it's not an immediate need like it is for us. so i hope its carriker at #25 for the jets.

micheal bush going to ravens at #61. ravens do need a RB and it was stupid of them to let go of chester taylor. same type of deal with us letting go of lamont jordan. both wanted a big payday and both teams held on to the past for too long. they do need a RB to replace jamal lewis but i there is no way bush slides all the way down to the end of the 2nd round. he will definitely go top 50 at least, and probably moreso in the beginning of the 2nd round. i hope we snatch him at #37 because he would enable us to have a sick RB tandem with him and washington. so i hope its bush at #37.

jarvis moss going to the jets at #25. though an OLB is definitely a need for us, its not the primary need. our primary need this offseason is actually Dline, RB, CB, Oline, then OLB. i hope we do not use our first pick on moss, since this draft is SOOOO deep in DE/OLB tweeners. the guys i want to draft are either lamar woodley who nfldraftcountdown predicts will go to the rams at #45. no way do the rams draft woodley to play DE. he cannot play the 4-3 DE or the 4-3 OLB effectively. its just not his position. anthony spencer is predicted to go to the steelers at #48 which would be a good pick for them. so i hope at #57, one of these three, woodley, spencer, or moss will drop. we might as well make sure we get the players that the draft does not have much depth in, 3-4 DE or RB, and then take our chances on an OLB that falls to #57 which isn't that far to fall mind you.

optimal but realistic situation would be to get carriker at #25, bush at #37, and spencer at #57. that would make it 2 great draft years in a row. probably the first in the history of the jets.

I do agree, thats the only signing I really want. I think Samuel is a need, because our CBs dont give good enough coverage, and thats how the blitzes dont work all the time. Dyson was our best CB this year, and our only legit starter, we need a #1 CB though, and Samuel is getting close to shut down, he just keeps getting better, I do think hes worth the money. I know how they want to build through the draft, but sometimes you have to make signings like these, it helps us in 2 ways, #1 gives us a #1 CB and one that knows the defense, no learning curve. Plus brings a hard hitting mantality in, the guys a beast! #2. Takes another player away from the Pats, they cant keep losing players and expect to win every year, signing him would be a big loss for them, they may put the franchise tag on him, because they know if they lose him, they have no one to replace him, Hobbs sucks! Patriot fans seem to think he is good, but hes the one we pick on all the time, our WRs continue to beat him everytime.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 08:06 PM

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I'm trying to figure out his pick in Irons. He's 5'11 203lbs Leon is virtually the same back. I'm trying to decipher his understand with this pick. Why would he have us taking him when we have Leon Washington.

Moss as an OLB is an awesome pick and Francis as a developmental project is another good pick. I just wonder about the Irons pick though.


these are mock draft gurus who do not actually know as much as we may know about our own team. they have to do the mock in congruence with player rankings and team needs. yes, OLB, RB, and DE are the needs of our team but they do not take into account the fact that Dline is our primary need. the need of an OLB is actually after our need for a power back. all they do is see that moss will be available at #25 and since the jets need an OLB, they take him. same thing with the irons pick but they do not think about the fact that we already have a speed back, and we need a bruiser. thats why it doesn't make sense to us but that is what they are doing. then they fill the void at DE with a player i've never heard of in francis. i do not want another developmental player on our Dline. the line is the most important part of the game and cannot be a position you can interchange players with. these have to be your best and core players in order to win. look at kimo this year. there was a reason the steelers let him go. he sucks. i would actually be pissed off with this draft if we essentially waste 2 picks and make a selection in moss that is more luxury than need.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 08:28 PM

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its ok if marshawn is gone by our pick because that means we should get micheal bush. he was a monster in 2005 and had a nose for the endzone. it was like 2, 3, 4 TDs each game. he basically was the shaun alexander of the NCAA in 2005 when he scored 2 TDs each game and always got it in on the ground when it was inside the 10 yard line. thats what we need so badly. how many times does chad move the ball 60 yards into the redzone and we have to settle for 3?? its not like we have a 6'6 receiver that he can throw fade routes to. we have to run ball there, and with no real inside threat at RB, why honor the playaction that chad will try to use to freeze the LBs? bush and washington will be a superb combo, the same type as deuce and reggie, where it's thunder and lightning and both/either cannot be stopped.

like you said, alama-francis would be a project and i am not saying that carriker wouldn't be but we need someone to step in immediately and make the line stronger. talk to you later kimo and say hello to carriker hopefully. carriker is probably the closest to starting material that you can get from a rookie, and should fit in quite nicely in the 3-4.

i agree that it will be tough for moss/woodley/spencer to fall to our 2nd 2nd rounder. but there are a billions OLBs tweeners in this draft. (all these players are under 270) we have adams, moses, crowder, abiamiri, atkins. one of them is bound to fall to #57 since all 8 of them can't go top 57, since they are a mix between a DE and OLB, not to mention players we do not even know about yet. plus, we can always just go Oline with our 2nd 2nd rounder, with someone like aaron sears who is huge, if they are all gone. we are going to need to use a 2nd or 3rd rounder on an Olineman so i wouldn't mind it being our 2nd 2nd rounder.


And it's not all players under 270...Woodley can do it but he has exceptional agility and speed for his weight. But most guys over 270 couldn't be OLB's for us...

For instance...you listed Crowder and Atkins...none of those guys could be OLB's for us. Crowder doesn't really have a position in the 3-4. He's a 4-3 DE...that's it. Crowder isn't even that good of a pass rusher...

Baraka Atkins is a DE in the 3-4. If you've ever actually seen the guy...not even play...just physically seen the man...you would never call him a linebacker. He has played both DE and DT at Miami...and would likely make a fantastic DE in a 3-4 scheme.

I really view Jarvis Moss, LaMarr Woodley, and Anthony Spencer as the top 3-4 OLB candidates. And of course Gaines Adams and Quentin Moses...but we likely won't have a shot at them...definitely not Adams atleast. Victor Abiamiri might be able to make the switch...but I think he's better off as a 4-3 DE. If we can't get one of those top 3...why bother? We already have a servicable guy in Hobson...so why waist a pick unless he's going to be an upgrade over Hobson?
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Posted 19 January 2007 - 11:03 AM

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If we get Kenny Irons I would be pissed, I dont like him at all, he may be good but he is almost the same thing that Washington is, a speed back. I dont think that Irons will be a work horse, I would only take Lynch and Bush, I would only take Bush in the 2nd round though.
If Francis is a developmental prospect, then we can go out and sign Cory Redding from the FA to be a starter right now, he is 6-4 around 290, plays DT/DE, he would be good for the 3-4, he had 8 sacks this year from DT. Then we can have Franchis who would be Ellis replacement. I defintley do think that we need a OLB though, Hobson isnt good enough. He is overrated, he doesnt get off blocks well enough, he may be a good ILB, but I really dont know, and I think that Barton still has some good years and Barton is a player I really like, he has alot of energy and is a team leader and a hard hitter. He brings some nastyness to the LB corps. Thomas is a lock to start at one OLB, he like locks his side of the field up. He is good at getting off blocks and has long arms to keep the OTs off of him. Hobson doesnt have long arms so its harder for him to. I watched alot of the games over to look at certain postions, and Hobson's sacks came from when he blitzes around the guys when the blocks are all taken up, when he gets a OT in his face its hard for him to apply pressure. I like Hobson, but just dont feel that safe with him at OLB, I dont want us to lock him up yet. Wait another year, lock Rhodes and Cotchery up this year. The one thing I do like about Hobson is that when he does come flying in he hits the QB hard! The 2 most talented LBs we have though are Vilma and Thomas. Thomas looks to be a real good player, he has speed, height, long arms, smarts. I think though with NT, we have to answer that through the draft, try and get Hollis Thomas who is my first choice, hes the NT from the Saints, hes a UFA. Or go and get Sands, who I really dont like that much, but he has size. My problem with Sands is when we played them, he stands straight up all the time, maybe if he came here our coaches are more disaplined then theirs. His technique is horrible, our guys moved him because he stood straight up all the time.
Also, getting off of defense here, with one of our first 4 picks, we should take a OG. We need offensive line help, and I wouldnt want to be too Bradway and Herman with not taking o-linemen till the 2nd day. Unless we go out and sign Dielmen or Steinbach from the UFAs.
#1 guy I want in the draft if he falls is Okoye! He would be nice to get!


I agree with the Irons point as he flat out struggled this past season after being predicted by some to be a surefire 1st rounder at the beginning of the year. Now I'd rank him behind Bush despite his injury as well as possibly Antonio Pitmann of Ohio State. I watched the Aubrun-LSU game at the start of the college season and Irons kept getting stuffed (he had 25 carries for just 70 yards).

On the Redding point I doubt it would be worth drafting Abiamiri and signing Redding as Redding wouldn't want to go to a team where he is just a stop gap and that will factor into his decision over which team to sign for as he will most likely get a long term deal wherever he goes. Plus he won't come cheap at all.

At LB I thought Hobson had a good year this year and that he was our 2nd best LB behind Thomas throughout the season but I agree he isn't suited to be a 3-4 OLB and he would be better off playing inside alongside Vilma but with Barton still there for now, there has been little rumour saying one of the two will go in the offseason, I doubt Hobson gets moved inside where he will most likely become a backup.

Hollis Thomas is a good player but is small for a 3-4 NT as he is listed at 6'0 306 lbs which is smaller than DRob plus will Mangini and Tannenbaum take a flyer on someone who was suspended for 4 games for a positive steroids test that Thomas stated was a treatment for asthma. The fact he served the ban kind of suggests the excuse didn't hold too much weight as surely he would have gone through the league to ensure the product was ok to use as is standard procedure in other sports. The league would have either gave him permission to use it at the start of the year despite it's contents if he had declared it to the league as medication.

The great thing about this offseason is that there are less holes on the team than there were last year which allows us to have more freedom in the way we go about filling holes as the cap situation is also much better. This offseason should be fun and interesting, which should create a lot of talking points. cool2.gif
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Posted 19 January 2007 - 12:54 PM

I don't agree with Kenny Irons. If we do go RB there, I'm sure it will be someone with a bit more size to compliment Leon.
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