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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 01:40 PM

Nugent had a career high of 88.9% kicking accuratcy this year. Thats his career high, now lets show some of the elite kickers in the leagues high.
David Akers-88.2
Adam Vinatari-90
Neil Rackers-95.2
Jeff Wilkens-92.9 (though dome kickers are high because of the no wind factor)
Mort Anderson-88.6
John Carney-92.0
Jason Elam-93.1
Now look they are all kinda close, but remember here that these are their best in their careers, when Nugent has only had 2 years. Now lets look at those same kickers in their 2nd years.
David Akers-50.0
Adam Vinatari-86.2
Neil Rackers-60.7
Jeff Wilkins-92.3
Mort Anderson-75.0
John Carney-0.0
Jason Elam-81.1
Mike Nugent-88.9
Now see Nugent had a better year, then almost all of the elite kickers in their 2nd year. Just thought it was pretty interesting how Nugent compares with them.
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 01:49 PM

drinks.gif wow!!great post,he's only going to get better,i truly beleive that. yahoo.gif
QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 20 2007, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nugent had a career high of 88.9% kicking accuratcy this year. Thats his career high, now lets show some of the elite kickers in the leagues high.
David Akers-88.2
Adam Vinatari-90
Neil Rackers-95.2
Jeff Wilkens-92.9 (though dome kickers are high because of the no wind factor)
Mort Anderson-88.6
John Carney-92.0
Jason Elam-93.1
Now look they are all kinda close, but remember here that these are their best in their careers, when Nugent has only had 2 years. Now lets look at those same kickers in their 2nd years.
David Akers-50.0
Adam Vinatari-86.2
Neil Rackers-60.7
Jeff Wilkins-92.3
Mort Anderson-75.0
John Carney-0.0
Jason Elam-81.1
Mike Nugent-88.9
Now see Nugent had a better year, then almost all of the elite kickers in their 2nd year. Just thought it was pretty interesting how Nugent compares with them.

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 02:21 PM

exactly, i was thinking something along the same lines, hes doing good for a 2nd year kicker
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 03:03 PM

now all the nugent haters are gonna become nugent lovers.
Get it done MT
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 04:26 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Jan 20 2007, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
now all the nugent haters are gonna become nugent lovers.

i was a nugent lover originally, after awhile i started to doubt him just a little though but now im not worried really, especially seeing these stats, i mean i thought that it was like that but didnt know it was for a fact like it
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 04:49 PM

How could you not hate Nugent after he missed that extra point?
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 05:45 PM

Don't forget, if the Jets had a QB that could score TDs in the red zone, Nugent's FG % wouldn't be that high.

All kickers choke once in awhile, Nugent is better than most, but there's no excuse for the short kickoffs and the field position we consistently give up.
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 05:47 PM

QUOTE (priortothesnap @ Jan 20 2007, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't forget, if the Jets had a QB that could score TDs in the red zone, Nugent's FG % wouldn't be that high.

Well of coarse it wouldnt. It would be 0.0 if the Jets could score Tds in the redzone, because they wouldnt need to take fieldgoals. crazy.gif
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 06:04 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 20 2007, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well of coarse it wouldnt. It would be 0.0 if the Jets could score Tds in the redzone, because they wouldnt need to take fieldgoals. crazy.gif



Keyword(s) = red zone. Right? You did catch that? Just checkin' ---- many posters here don't know how to read.

He'd still need to kick FGs beyond the red zone.
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 06:10 PM

QUOTE (matt x @ Jan 20 2007, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How could you not hate Nugent after he missed that extra point?

u do know its not like hes the only one ever to miss an extra point
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 06:16 PM

He's a good kicker who should be around for the next few years. it took him a little longer than people expected for him to be a good kicker but he is now so thats that.

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 09:58 PM

QUOTE (priortothesnap @ Jan 20 2007, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Keyword(s) = red zone. Right? You did catch that? Just checkin' ---- many posters here don't know how to read.

He'd still need to kick FGs beyond the red zone.

Dude, he kicked a 54 yarder, a 52 yarder, he was 4-4 on 40-49 yards, 2-3 on 50+ yarders. I did read the redzone, but the guy only missed 3 kicks this year, and 1 extra point. Idk why you are argueing about him being bad. He is 10-12 from 30-39. And its not like his field goals come in the red zone, he made most of his field goals in the 30+ range.
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 10:04 PM

QUOTE (priortothesnap @ Jan 20 2007, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Keyword(s) = red zone. Right? You did catch that? Just checkin' ---- many posters here don't know how to read.

He'd still need to kick FGs beyond the red zone.


He's 6-7 on 40+ and the one miss was a 52 yarder
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 10:30 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Jan 20 2007, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He's 6-7 on 40+ and the one miss was a 52 yarder


If I'm not mistaken, wasn't the 52 yarder a pressure kick. I mean 6/7 from 40+ is good but yeah, he did make a game winner against the Fish, but it's those pressure kicks from (at least) 45+ yards that we need to see him hit. Like OhFive said, he gets his name back, but still needs to do a little bit more to prove himself. Give me a good pressure situation out of Nuge
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 10:34 PM

That's some damn fine researching there JetsFan0099. drinks.gif
I think the knack on Nugent as a whole has been kicking off, which we all know. I'm gonna go out on a limb when I say he didn't record a singe TB this year, not good, and no way do I want one kicker to kick FGs and some other guy kickoff. That's ridiculous. As soon as he does that, it'll be 100% love from everyone here I bet.
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 10:50 PM

QUOTE (HarlemHellfighterNYC @ Jan 20 2007, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't the 52 yarder a pressure kick. I mean 6/7 from 40+ is good but yeah, he did make a game winner against the Fish, but it's those pressure kicks from (at least) 45+ yards that we need to see him hit. Like OhFive said, he gets his name back, but still needs to do a little bit more to prove himself. Give me a good pressure situation out of Nuge


he didn't miss any presure kicks this year
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 01:48 AM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 20 2007, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dude, he kicked a 54 yarder, a 52 yarder, he was 4-4 on 40-49 yards, 2-3 on 50+ yarders. I did read the redzone, but the guy only missed 3 kicks this year, and 1 extra point. Idk why you are argueing about him being bad. He is 10-12 from 30-39. And its not like his field goals come in the red zone, he made most of his field goals in the 30+ range.



Uh, who's arguing? First off, I was taking a cynical shot at Pennington. Secondly, I was making a perfectly valid point about Nug's FG% dropping if you remove all the red zone chip-shot padding. He's 6/7 total outside the red zone (39 yds or longer). That's 85.7%, not 88.9%. When you said his FG% would be 00.0% if we scored only TDs in the red zone, that's true for the red, but not for his overall %. Just clarifying your unclear post, which seemed to imply either:

A. He only kicks FGs within the redzone, or
B. If he attempts anything longer, he'll miss them all

Anyway, 85.7% is still good, I wasn't knocking his FGs to begin with. Nugent made 20 red zone attempts, 23 if you count the WC. Not sure how many red zone appearances NY made in total, perhaps one of you hotshots can look that up.....
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 02:14 AM

QUOTE (Chadforpresidentin08 @ Jan 20 2007, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the knack on Nugent as a whole has been kicking off, which we all know.


Which you all know? That's a friggin' joke. When I first posted it, all you butt-fumes got your knickers in a twist, and heaved fur balls for a good week.

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I'm gonna go out on a limb when I say he didn't record a singe TB this year.


It's hard to remember them, but he did do it twice. Like I said earlier, he must've had the help of a category-five hurricane on those occasions.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 03:04 AM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 20 2007, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
. He is 10-12 from 30-39. And its not like his field goals come in the red zone, he made most of his field goals in the 30+ range.


20 of his 27 FG attempts this season were from the red zone. Nugent uses an 8-yd snap, so anything 38-yds or less is red zone for him.
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Posted 21 January 2007 - 09:42 AM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 21 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No your wrong. Redzone is from the 20 yard line in. Thats the redzone. So that 20 for 27, is wrong, because he taken more out of the redzone then that, and if you take every kickers redzone shots then every kicker would drop. He still made them, so w/e.


Isn't a redzone attempt from whenever the offense has got inside the 20-yard line. So an attempt where the LOS is at the 20 yard line, probably a 38 yarder, would be counted as a redzone FG attempt?
If so then even if the offense got inside the 20, lost some yards, say to the 25 yard line, and settled for a FG with the LOS from there, that would be a redzone FG attempt.
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