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MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) good
MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) Best day of the week is the day after a Jets Win!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
santana Icon : (19 September 2016 - 08:08 AM) Thanks professor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:55 PM) updated roster. FB howsare released, TE bowman added to roster
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For Those Who Still Want Brian Leonard

#1 User is offline   jhsensation10 Icon

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 01:18 PM

leonard weighed in at 6'1 224 lbs this week at the senior bowl. he is trying to slim down to become a RB. without pure speed or moves, he will not make it at the next level. for those who think he will be a FB/H-back type player, let's just compare him to chris cooley. cooley is 6'3 265. that is way bigger than 6'1 224. not only is cooley bigger than leonard, he's bigger than the LBs in the NFL which gives him the ability to block them as a FB/TE. you cannot say the same thing about leonard. he will get destroyed by most LBs since they are bigger than him. so stop saying you would want leonard in the 2nd round because it is absolutely ridiculous. it's like saying a team will draft chris leak somewhere in the 1st. it doesn't make sense and won't happen.
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 01:34 PM

i would also rather pass on Leonard, and get a "pure" fullback like Le'Ron McClain
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 01:50 PM

Leonard can bang with the best of them, I'm not worried him being able to block in the Pros. And of course he is not Cooley, Cooley is primarily a Te and has the body of one. Leonard is a FB, and a can play Rb. He is an extremely talented player. I'm sorry you didn't get a chance to watch him, because it was a lot of fun.

If Leonard is drafted by the Jets, it is because they will utilize his unique talents. People who say Schott doesn't use the Fb, seem to forget that we had Askew there. He is nowhere near the skill player that Leonard is.

Will Leonard be drafted as high as the 2nd round? I don't know, but he would definately be worth that high of a draft status. This guy is going to be a big time player and is the type of guy Mangini loves. Tough guy, hard worker, team first player. I would be thrilled to see Leonard on the Jets.
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 01:54 PM

QUOTE (NYJBlueHen @ Jan 26 2007, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Leonard can bang with the best of them, I'm not worried him being able to block in the Pros. And of course he is not Cooley, Cooley is primarily a Te and has the body of one. Leonard is a FB, and a can play Rb. He is an extremely talented player. I'm sorry you didn't get a chance to watch him, because it was a lot of fun.

If Leonard is drafted by the Jets, it is because they will utilize his unique talents. People who say Schott doesn't use the Fb, seem to forget that we had Askew there. He is nowhere near the skill player that Leonard is.

Will Leonard be drafted as high as the 2nd round? I don't know, but he would definately be worth that high of a draft status. This guy is going to be a big time player and is the type of guy Mangini loves. Tough guy, hard worker, team first player. I would be thrilled to see Leonard on the Jets.


If Askew doesn't have skills then why did we invested a 3rd round pick in him only a couple seasons back? Yes it was during the Bradway/Herm era but they weren't that idiotic to draft a FB in the third with no skills. A lot of starting FBs are either late round picks or UFAs so it went against the norm when Askew was drafted in the 3rd.
We need to get better blocking at TE and FB to improve the running game and at 224lbs he is on average 20lbs lighter than most LBs he will go up against.
If he is to be used at RB there are plenty better options available as well who have been RBs their whole college careers.
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 02:00 PM

he'd be a joke at halfback with no where near enough speed and elusiveness and he isn't big enough or solid enough in general to be an effective blocking fb. don't get me wrong, i love what he did for rutgers and he was a great college player, but some guys just aren't cut out for the nfl

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 02:13 PM

Here's the problem. Everyone knows that Brian Leonard can play FB. That's not what he's displaying at the Senior Bowl or the combine. He want's to show that he can play tail back at the next level FIRST. He will put the wieght back on and play FB if that's what an NFL team wants him to do, he's said that. But he's improving his stock by showing he's versatile and that he can play RB at 220. I don't know why everyone thinks he's too slow also. That sounds a bit ridiculous considering all the wieght he's dropped that he's probably faster than he was before which is saying something already. Just because he's a white FB doesn't mean he's slow. Don't be ignorant, because he's faster than Lynch.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Brian_Leonard

He's been clocked between 4.47-4.52. Quoting Wikipedia:
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Leonard has been timed at 4.47 and 4.52 in the 40 yard dash, which is exceptionally fast for a fullback (players in this position that make the NFL typically range between 4.7-5.0).


Not only that but he's dropped 20lbs which is gonna make him even faster than that. He wants to play RB first at the next level and he's willing to play FB and put the weight back on. But by no means is he not gonna make it because he's a slow white boy. Hell everyone thinks Lynch is so great and explosive but he runs a 4.5 too so go figure....
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 02:17 PM

that's surprising to me, and it makes me wonder if there really is something to "game speed" which i never believed in, because he did not look like he played with halfback speed when he played in college. it seemed like he ran like a quick tight end, not fluidly and just not the way you see a halfback run. even if he is fast enough, i dont think he has the elusiveness to play hb at this level.

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 02:22 PM

QUOTE (ellisjersey92 @ Jan 26 2007, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
that's surprising to me, and it makes me wonder if there really is something to "game speed" which i never believed in, because he did not look like he was a fullback when he played in college. it seemed like he ran like a quick fullback, not fluidly and just the way you see a halfback run. even if he is fast enough, i dont think he has the elusiveness to play hb at this level.


That's why he's trying it out I believe. He never really got the chance to be a RB in terms of body type but he got the ball alot on the ground and did great things with it. I personally think he's gonna be a good between the tackles type of runner and he's already got the mentality where he likes to punish defenders. So he is gonna initiate contact, wearing down the defenses. I like that trait. I've seen only a small amount of him at the Senior Bowl. I'm excited to watch tomorrow's game and see how he performs. I'll tell you a guy that doesn't impress me much at all, Kenny Irons. But he had a nice run or two. We'll see. I'm hoping that Leonard gets a large load come Saturday.

All that being said I'm sure he'll be drafted to play as a Mike Alstott type. A FB that will make defenses pay when they don't give him attention, because Leonard has good hands and he can run the ball well. But if he performs well as a RB, he might just end up getting drafted to play RB and I'd be happy to have him here for that because if it didn't work out we could make him a hoss of a FB. I'd rather have Bush as a RB than Leonard though.
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 02:48 PM

Hes the best 3rd down back in the draft. He has the best hands at RB in the draft, and is a great pass blocker. I want to draft him with our 2nd 2nd round pick. He could be the thunder for Leon Washington, and a goalline back. Plus he is a really good 3rd down back. He is very talented, and a type of player you want to draft if you are building a championship team. He would only add another hard worker, and a leader that just wants to win. Plus he could be switched back to FB if we want him to.
He did have his share of breakaway runs and pass plays.
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 03:21 PM

it makes no sense to draft leonard when we have askew who only started one year.....plus why do we need to take a pass catching FB who wants to be RB when we can just draft a real rb.........i say tony hunt in the 3rd or later rounds he has way more potential......we drafted askew in the 3rd to be that dual threat FB and he has only started one year give him time if not the just get some guy off the street who knows how to block....was lorenzo neal drafted? or jim finn? FB is not a glamorous position and we dont need to make it one
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 06:33 PM

i like askew. he can block and he always runs hard.
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Posted 26 January 2007 - 08:45 PM

alot of people forget that askew has only had one year as the starter and he does everything leonard does
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Posted 27 January 2007 - 05:58 AM

QUOTE (tipceey @ Jan 27 2007, 02:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
alot of people forget that askew has only had one year as the starter and he does everything leonard does


Askew doesn't show enough as a blocking FB, which we need. I say keep Askew and find a good blocking FB as that would improve the running game no end plus we'd still have a FB who has decent speed for that position.
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Posted 27 January 2007 - 04:37 PM

Well Leonard has been plowin all over 2day he knocked Patrick Willis to the ground and broke a lot of tackles on another carry

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