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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
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.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Kerry Rhodes Vs Bob Sanders

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 07:26 PM

Both in my opinion are very good at the FS position. They both are young. And speedy ball hawks. In that case would you rather have Bob or Kerry. Me as most of us i assume would chose Rhodes but maybe some think Sanders is better. It would be cool if we could have Sanders and Rhodes and maybe trade Coleman.

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 07:35 PM

I would rather have Rhodes, because Sanders is injury prone. And Rhodes is better in coverage and a better blitzer. He gets off the edge faster then Sanders for the sacks. Rhodes is more complete, while Sanders is more of a hard hitting run stuffer. Rhodes is taller also, and can stop the taller WRs and TEs.
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Posted 29 January 2007 - 07:37 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jan 29 2007, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would rather have Rhodes, because Sanders is injury prone. And Rhodes is better in coverage and a better blitzer. He gets off the edge faster then Sanders for the sacks. Rhodes is more complete, while Sanders is more of a hard hitting run stuffer. Rhodes is taller also, and can stop the taller WRs and TEs.



i couldnt have said it any better!
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Posted 29 January 2007 - 07:41 PM

I actually think Rhodes has much better instincts and is a surer tackler than Sanders. Rhodes is bigger and stronger and seems to have more field presence than Sanders. I'll take Rhodes anyday, and I'm not just saying that because I;m a Jets fan

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 07:42 PM

Rhodes is defintely the next super star at safety.
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Posted 29 January 2007 - 07:48 PM

it depends what safety position...as a free safety i would love sanders. he immediately makes your run defense good, even if u dont start with much. as a strong safety, definitly rhodes, he's much beter at controlling the whole field, not just the running game, and he gets around faster. he can be deep in coverage and just get to where the ball is

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 07:48 PM

sanders does a lot of nice things and he has been a stud for the colts since he came back and might, singlehandedly, be the reason they are in the superbowl.....BUT....the way we use rhodes and will continue to use him i would never trade....i still think mangini has some wrinkles for how to use rhodes now that he has a little more experience and field presence....cant wait to see him next year!!!

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 07:51 PM

QUOTE (ellisjersey92 @ Jan 29 2007, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
it depends what safety position...as a free safety i would love sanders. he immediately makes your run defense good, even if u dont start with much. as a strong safety, definitly rhodes, he's much beter at controlling the whole field, not just the running game, and he gets around faster. he can be deep in coverage and just get to where the ball is



I was under the impression, or this is how it was in high school, that FS was a roamer and more pass coverage and last man back position where as SS was first to act in the middle and TE middle routes and what not.

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 07:55 PM

QUOTE (VILMAmazing51 @ Jan 29 2007, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
sanders does a lot of nice things and he has been a stud for the colts since he came back and might, singlehandedly, be the reason they are in the superbowl.....BUT....the way we use rhodes and will continue to use him i would never trade....i still think mangini has some wrinkles for how to use rhodes now that he has a little more experience and field presence....cant wait to see him next year!!!

Oh i never talked about trading Rhodes hes one of my favorite players. I talked about trading Coleman. It'll be 10 years b4 Mangini gets wrinkles lmao i was just doing some dreaming of having both of the as our safteys

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 08:06 PM

QUOTE (cmart=the best @ Jan 29 2007, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh i never talked about trading Rhodes hes one of my favorite players. I talked about trading Coleman. It'll be 10 years b4 Mangini gets wrinkles lmao i was just doing some dreaming of having both of the as our safteys




NO NO NO....i didnt mean "trade" him like trade the colts rhodes for sanders.....i just meant i wouldnt trade off rhodes for sanders since the question...i thought....was who we like better...

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 08:23 PM

QUOTE (ganggreen_ewok @ Jan 29 2007, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I actually think Rhodes has much better instincts and is a surer tackler than Sanders. Rhodes is bigger and stronger and seems to have more field presence than Sanders. I'll take Rhodes anyday, and I'm not just saying that because I;m a Jets fan


That's most important to me. Sanders, like a lot of DBs, misses a lot of tackles going for the huge hit that will get him on "Jacked Up." Rhodes is a really impressive tackler.
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Posted 29 January 2007 - 08:50 PM

QUOTE (Dave @ Jan 29 2007, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's most important to me. Sanders, like a lot of DBs, misses a lot of tackles going for the huge hit that will get him on "Jacked Up." Rhodes is a really impressive tackler.

And its not like he can't step back and plant someone. Ask Maroney if Rhodes is a hard hitter

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 09:04 PM

QUOTE (ganggreen_ewok @ Jan 29 2007, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was under the impression, or this is how it was in high school, that FS was a roamer and more pass coverage and last man back position where as SS was first to act in the middle and TE middle routes and what not.

the strong safety plays to the strength of the offensive formation, which is almost always where they have more recievers. this puts them into more of a coverage role while the free safety is "free" to play in run support

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 09:11 PM

Sanders is not the playmaker Rhodes is, statistically there was no better playmaking safety in the league this year than Rhodes. Kerry is the easy choice for me, with honestly no homerism.
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Posted 29 January 2007 - 09:21 PM

QUOTE (ellisjersey92 @ Jan 29 2007, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the strong safety plays to the strength of the offensive formation, which is almost always where they have more recievers. this puts them into more of a coverage role while the free safety is "free" to play in run support


Then why is certain sub-sets does the SS line up closer to the line of scrimmage, or in front of the FS before the snap? I played Safety in high school and I roamed whil the other safety was run and linebacker support, he was SS on the Depth chart.

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 09:36 PM

im familiar with the defense i played in high school. also if you look at guys like sanders, lynch and taylor, theyre bigger hitters that play FS

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 09:37 PM

I think they are both amazing safeties, Bob Sanders is one of the most instinctive safeties I've seen in awhile and when he plays in the box he makes plays. Kerry Rhodes is a do it all safety he can blitz, drop back into coverage, and come up on the line when needed. I can't choose between the two.

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 12:01 AM

It's funny. I remember being one of the only guys on this site that liked Rhodes over Maddox when we drafted them both. And don't lie fellas, I know who you are.... I think anyway.

Funny that the only knock on the guy was that he wasn't physical enough. People over analyze the players way too much prior to the draft and I think Kerry Rhodes is a prime example of that. Now which one is better.... I'll tell you it's hard to say considering they both play so differently. Sanders is a pro bowl safety who runs faster than Deangelo Hall... that's nice. However, I like Rhodes and I like how the Jets use them.

However I find it nearly impossible and pointless to try and say who's better. It depends on the team at the end of the day and Bob Sanders has his team in the Superbowl because he's a great player and contributes HEAVILY to that defense. Kerry Rhodes played great this season, he disappeared a few games this year but all in all he was the best Safety in the league. This is like comparing apples to oranges. They both taste good, it's just a matter of preference. I love Kerry Rhodes but I think Bob Sanders might be better right now.
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 04:39 AM

I'd take Rhodes over Sanders. I happen to like Sanders alot but I think Rhodes has a better skill set. Sanders is known for his dominance on the run. Rhodes does it all. He gets picks,blitzes,mans up 1 one 1 and is very good on run support. I think Kerry is the better safety at this point. Not to mention Kerry has started all 32 games and Bob has been injury prone.
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 10:45 AM

the only thing that i can say about bob sanders that's better than rhodes is his tackling, not to say rhodes can't tackle in fact he can BUT sanders have been known to stop big guys on the spot but rhode's much better in every other catagory and he's taller
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