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azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:59 AM) If we don't get Mariota, we should be looking at Schreff or trading down, IMO.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:59 AM) A lot of good edge rushers in this draft... I wouldn't want to take Dupree that high.
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Defensive Formations 3-4 vs. 4-3

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 01:43 PM

I remember when we were talking about defensive scheme last here when mangini was first hired and we were alil upset about moving from 4-3 to 3-4 because we were losing a DE and the didn't have the personel to run it.
I used to coach a HS def. line and was thinking about coaching HS down here in fla. Running the 3-4 def. is complicated for the kids(I'm not comparing them to the pros, just saying). I think the 3-4 defense is far more dynamic then the 4-3. A good 3-4 team can play about several styles(read, slant, pinch, reduction,gap) with the same personel. The only disadvantage is finding that strong side drop LB or end who can play run and pass. From my experience most high school teams run a 4-4 or 4-3 because its easier to teach. I love to run the 4-3 or 4-4 box/mirror because each and every1 has some1 on the offensive side to be responsible for. Now to run the 4-4, you have to have speedy LB and athleticism DE etc...but it's doesn't mean that we have to match up or catch up with the other teams' offense. I've always thought that you should stop the run first and then react. Because if you try to match up or keep up, you won't have a chance to get control of the game. You have to eliminate the offense from doing what you can control and take it from there.

And whatever happened to the 5-2? Why aren't any team putting together a good core group to run the 4-4? Should the 4-4 even be taught in HS?
I didn't learn the 4-4 til I started playing semi-pro. Some say you gotta have good personel to run it but if the team's is athletic enough to run it then I say run it.
What are your thoughts?
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 02:28 PM

We ran the 4-4 in high school and it worked very well. It gave us lots of flexibility with blitz poackages because we could bring any combinationg of 4 linebackers while rushing the front 4 and still have 3 back. It was relatively easy to learn but I had to learn OLB and ILB and bounced back and forth based on situations so it became tougher. Another nice thing we did was have a 5-2 package against heavy running teams which also worked well. I would recommend the 4-4 for high school as I had a great experience with it.

FYI, we used a "bounce to the outside" strategy, the DE's would get inside leverage and bounce the play to the OLB's which in turn would either make the tackle or bounce to the CB"s.....so your corners better be able to hit!

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 04:16 PM

QUOTE (VILMAmazing51 @ Jan 30 2007, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We ran the 4-4 in high school and it worked very well. It gave us lots of flexibility with blitz poackages because we could bring any combinationg of 4 linebackers while rushing the front 4 and still have 3 back. It was relatively easy to learn but I had to learn OLB and ILB and bounced back and forth based on situations so it became tougher. Another nice thing we did was have a 5-2 package against heavy running teams which also worked well. I would recommend the 4-4 for high school as I had a great experience with it.

FYI, we used a "bounce to the outside" strategy, the DE's would get inside leverage and bounce the play to the OLB's which in turn would either make the tackle or bounce to the CB"s.....so your corners better be able to hit!

I've always tell the wrs' and corners to join the track team, anyways the way I'm approaching it is to go back to basic and just focus on our def instead of worrying about other teams' offense. With the cover 2, We will utilize the team to have the opposing offense to worry about our def. Meaning that we WILL MASTER the formation and take away their running game and leave them with nothing to do but pass. The corners will be ready for the picks. I trust them this season coming up.
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 07:43 PM

QUOTE (VILMAmazing51 @ Jan 30 2007, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We ran the 4-4 in high school and it worked very well. It gave us lots of flexibility with blitz poackages because we could bring any combinationg of 4 linebackers while rushing the front 4 and still have 3 back. It was relatively easy to learn but I had to learn OLB and ILB and bounced back and forth based on situations so it became tougher. Another nice thing we did was have a 5-2 package against heavy running teams which also worked well. I would recommend the 4-4 for high school as I had a great experience with it.

FYI, we used a "bounce to the outside" strategy, the DE's would get inside leverage and bounce the play to the OLB's which in turn would either make the tackle or bounce to the CB"s.....so your corners better be able to hit!


We were 4-3 mainly because we didn't have a fast enough safety (me lol) to roam and back up the two corners who were pretty fast, one all-state kid in Dungy, and another track kid in Carey, but weren't very good corners. I should have played corner I had decent speed and beetr cover skills but our coach was an idiot. Thats the only reason why the probably didn't teach us 4-4

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 08:34 PM

My team runs a 4-3, but I know of alot of teams that run the 3-4, we call it the 5-2 though. But its basically the 3-4, since their would be 3 linemen down in the stance and 2 Ends standing up. We use the 4-4 and 5-2 to stop the run, if we have trouble doing it, but we usually try to stay with the 4-3, we havent had trouble stopping the run for the last 2 years. We had a dominate defense this year that kept us in games.
Good luck on coaching! I am thinking about coaching one day, if I dont make it through college football and stuff. My first goal is to play as much football as I can. But if I cant, then I want to stay around the game, I love it so much, cant imagin life without it.

I think that the 4-4 and 4-3 are better for highschool though. The 3-4 must be harder to run, I personally playing DE, like being in the stance more then standing up at OLB. Its just easier to come off the line, alot of my teammates agree with me, we played alot of different 3-4 teams, and when I played scout defense since I dont have a offensive postion really, I would play the OLB, or DE to get better.

Though I like the 3-4 more in the NFL, just because you arent relying as much on your front 4 to put the pressure, instead you have LBs coming at the QB, and with 4 plus the secondary you dont know whos coming and whos dropping back, so you have to react quick, because you know someone is coming. And with the NFL, you got people moving so fast, that its hard.
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 09:09 PM

We ran a 4-4, a 5-3, and a 3-5. Our 4-4 was pretty good, hated practicing against it, but I don't know if it was the scheme or the players we had for it, 3 all-state DT's and one all-state DE
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Posted 31 January 2007 - 03:36 PM

Thanks for your inputs guys. Wanted to hear your thoughts on it.
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