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azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
MikeGangGree... Icon : (24 April 2015 - 09:40 PM) TEH RANGERS
santana Icon : (24 April 2015 - 11:32 PM) TEH WIZ
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:57 AM) Teh Suarez
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:58 AM) Vic Beasley is all speed. No moves, no power. Straight up the field. Could have some big games, then nothing in the next
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:59 AM) If we don't get Mariota, we should be looking at Schreff or trading down, IMO.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:59 AM) A lot of good edge rushers in this draft... I wouldn't want to take Dupree that high.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:00 AM) Until next time fellas!
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 01:19 PM) Helloooooooooo
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 01:19 PM) Bueller
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:33 PM) Manish says the Jets should trade down and draft Andrus Peat round 1
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 04:39 PM) Even an idiot can say something that's right every now and then
santana Icon : (Today, 08:08 PM) THE CAPS
santana Icon : (Today, 08:28 PM) RIOT
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 08:37 PM) Missouri edge rusher Shane Ray was arrested Monday morning for possession of marijuana in Cooper County, Missouri, Brandon Kiley of KTGR in Columbia, Missouri reports.
santana Icon : (Today, 09:16 PM) Fuck the rangers!
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Today, 10:22 PM) f*** RAUL
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Posted 03 April 2007 - 09:42 AM

QUOTE (Amen @ Apr 3 2007, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I first heard of him back in about September and I don't think anyone's really tried to get at him like that yet. A few dudes have tried to trivialize what he's said and call him just as ignorant as the rappers he's criticizing, but no one's officially dropped his name in a diss yet. They're probably hoping that if they ignore him that he'll go away. Unless it's a beef where both rappers are gonna talk about how much more money they got than the next, then there's really nothing else to say.

The nature of this industry is to maintain a believable facade, and what NYOIL is trying to do is shatter that. You don't have to really be a murderous drug kingpin, but the fans need to believe you are. And since half these rappers really aren't, they can't get mad at a dude who's calling them out on it. But he's not calling them out in the way that Saigon or Tru Life would. Tru Life calls every rapper fake and *beep*, but while they're fake and *beep*, he builds himself up as really real and really tougher than they are. NYOIL's approach is, perhaps, more righteous, if that's the proper term. I don't wanna compare him to Malcolm X, but his approach of inspiring change is definitely inspired by Malcolm X. He wants to show his people the shit that goes on around them, that keeps us in the positions we are, how ignorance is glorified, and show everyone how that's a very intentional and orchestrated plan. While other rappers have shown the turn-the-other-cheek mentality and just "do them" like the Roots or anyone that's not into acting out for the camera, you got NYOIL who's going right at the jugular of it all.

You think that when rappers are selected to endorse things that kids in the ghetto can't afford isn't intentional? And every year the new endorsement gets more expensive. We went from $70 Polo jeans to $300 Evisu jeans. We went from $60 air force's and $110 jordans to $400 prada boots and $250 bapes, that require another $200+ hoody to match it. The popular music demographic is from 10-24. You got labels like Roc-A-Fella and Dipset, who at the height of their popularity launched their own liquor brands. So when the majority of your fans are under the legal drinking age, in fact, when your music targets the demographic under the legal drinking age, what kind of poison are you pumping out to the youth? Yeah, I think we all drank underage, and did it for whatever reasons we had, so we can't specifically blame rap -- but where's the desire to help?


Good post!

Me being 28 and started listening to hip hop around 87 I've been around to witness this whole transformation. The real truth is is that you CAN blame it on rap. (this is my outsiders looking in approach) you have inner city youth living in or under the poverty line and making it big. These same cats now have morgages and big willie sh!t to deal with but the core of this problem is "role models", how is man to be a role model to an adolecent when he's having a hard time dealing with being man. We have parents in our society that shouldn't be parents raising kids they shouldn't have. O.K I'm getting off track a bit but what I'm trying to say is rap and hip hop now-a-days is corrupting everything it touches. People are enamored with the materialistic lifestyle that these rappers are constantly rapping about. I don't want to some like some anti-rap activist but truth be told. I love hip hop and will take it to the grave with me but I'm not blinded to the point where I can't see the negativity and the utter corruption it has on the masses (specifically our youth) I work for a life insurance company and when I was working in N.Y you couldn't imagine how many 19 year olds I have coming in talking to me about life insurance. FUCKED UP SH!T. Look, rap is like a poison because not everyone is mentally strong to be their own person, alot of folk are looking for an outlet and are trying to find some sort of common bond to relate or fit in. Sex,money, drugs,thugism are rotting whole economic societies. Geographically killing people like aids, long and slow. This will never stop because it's a circle, it's a circle of continuous bullsh!t. Inner city youth or urbanized youth rapping about things they dream of like b!tches and money and teaching (rapping) about it for the next generation to follow, it's a never ending cycle.

I don't want to sound like some peace keeper or someone who's above all this because I myself at my age buy into it. I listen to it and live it. I play my part but at the same time I'm not turning my an ear to it and I'm not acting like the problem isn't there. To say "you can't blame it on rap" is nonsense. It's like giving a kid alcohol and that kid growing up to be an alcoholic and saying "it aien't my fault"

Bottom line is there is no way to unravel this, sure we can think of nice ways and ideas but truth is it's a cancer thats uncurable Guys like NY Oil come along and try to put their stamp on the issue. Trying and grab a hold of a small piece of the hip hop community and make them see through a different light, thats why I respect him. Hip hop at it's purest form is a beautiful thing and it's gotten me through life but theres no denying how certain entities have tainted it from the very grassroots.

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Posted 03 April 2007 - 10:11 AM

I absolutely agree with you. In present day society, Hip-Hop definitely doesn't help what goes on in low-income communities. It sucks because you got these dudes glorifying being street dudes while living in mansions way outside of the city. The kids listening don't think about that. They think about snatching the next dude's chain, and doin' some pitchin' on the block so they can cop a new whip -- only to keep living in the projects. And since a lot of the message of Hip-Hop music is to resist positivity, then it's not cool to speak to kids about the alternatives in life. It's easier to give props to a dude like Hell Rell than it is to show NYOIL love. The same way it used to be cooler to be the class clown as a kid, rather than be the one who was on the honor roll. Like NYOIL said in his song, "*beep* come home from college/ y'all say he ain't shit/ *beep* come home from jail/ Y'all all on his dick..." It's extra wack because I got this chick I was talkin' to (My Bernie Williams if you remember the Cigar Bar post) and she just recently got a job making a little over $45k a year. Instead of takin that dough to move out of that apartment in the projects with her son, she buys herself a Benz, to park on the block.. while ridin an elevator that smells like piss.

But liquor, drug abuse, obsessions with sex, etc were all around before Hip-Hop. There's dudes who aren't fans of Hip-Hop that are just as self-destructive. Music genres all have their different drugs of choice. The flaw that comes with Hip-Hop is the racial undertone that this society has fueled. Ever since Hip-Hop became popular music it became part of the machine. Like I said before, it helps fuel self-hatred. Every kid has to think "this ain't good enough" and wants more even if it's not within his means. You've got grown ass women with 4 kids who're 2 months late on rent that need to spend $90 to get their hair done and do it twice a month. That materialism is a mu'fucka.


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Masta Ace - Born to Roll
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Posted 03 April 2007 - 02:22 PM

QUOTE (kobeskool @ Apr 2 2007, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm gonna change the topic to the offical rap thread.
Wait who downloads stuff legaly anymore? There is something you can buy at stores where it takes the words out of the song if you can not find the instrumenal.

do u have any idea how much that costs and where i could get it, cause that would be f***ing AWESOME!
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Posted 04 April 2007 - 11:45 PM

QUOTE (JetsMan4012 @ Apr 3 2007, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
do u have any idea how much that costs and where i could get it, cause that would be f***ing AWESOME!

I don't know where you could get it at. You should try google and see what it is called.
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Posted 05 April 2007 - 10:08 AM

Bump.

We gotta show them rock dude whats up.



With proper music.
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Posted 06 April 2007 - 11:06 AM

a couple days ago i posted a blog on here(and my myspace also) about who i think is the top 6 freestylers out right now. but my 3 and 4 r tied with each other and 5 and 6 r tied, i think my 4 is a better battler but my 3 is a better freestyler straight up
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Posted 15 June 2007 - 10:24 PM

Alright fuckers...time to bump this thread back up, for no reason at all!
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Posted 15 June 2007 - 10:26 PM

kobesgay why do you have to steal my material?

(and this will be the last time I post in a thread endorsing rap)
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Posted 15 June 2007 - 10:27 PM

QUOTE (HarlemHellfighterNYC @ Jun 15 2007, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
kobesgay why do you have to steal my material?

(and this will be the last time I post in a thread endorsing rap)

Just to get you to post in a rap thread. hysterical.gif
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Posted 15 June 2007 - 11:37 PM

kobesgay I think we can come to a peace agreement about music now

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VjuMJn0y2w0
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Posted 19 June 2007 - 09:17 PM

QUOTE (HarlemHellfighterNYC @ Jun 15 2007, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
kobesgay I think we can come to a peace agreement about music now

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VjuMJn0y2w0

HarlemHomofvckerNYC, The Game makes the drummer sound good.

P.s what up wit the new name? Its whack.
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Posted 19 June 2007 - 09:29 PM

QUOTE (kobeskool @ Jun 19 2007, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
HarlemHomofvckerNYC, The Game makes the drummer sound good.

P.s what up wit the new name? Its whack.


Oh man I can't wait till Vilmatime gets here with you talkin bout Travis Barker like that. Oh there will be blood.

P.S.: With a s/n like that, you have NO right to talk about someone else's s/n hysterical.gif
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Posted 19 June 2007 - 10:35 PM

QUOTE (HarlemHxC814 @ Jun 19 2007, 09:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh man I can't wait till Vilmatime gets here with you talkin bout Travis Barker like that. Oh there will be blood.

P.S.: With a s/n like that, you have NO right to talk about someone else's s/n hysterical.gif

HHF was better then the new one. Vilmatime also has a hard one for the Game so he shouldn't care to much.
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Posted 19 June 2007 - 11:13 PM

QUOTE (kobeskool @ Jun 19 2007, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
HarlemHomofvckerNYC, The Game makes the drummer sound good.

P.s what up wit the new name? Its whack.

WOAH! u obviously have no idea what it takes to master an instrument to such a level T-Barker is on..its prob because you only listen to rap which requires NO instrumental talent at all..T-Barker is considered by many as one of the best drummers of all time...and you just watched him play with one arm!

T-Barker>Lil Wayne..
just accept it..
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Posted 19 June 2007 - 11:16 PM

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WOAH! u obviously have no idea what it takes to master an instrument to such a level T-Barker is on..its prob because you only listen to rap which requires NO instrumental talent at all..T-Barker is considered by many as one of the best drummers of all time...and you just watched him play with one arm!


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Posted 19 June 2007 - 11:22 PM

QUOTE (vilmatime51 @ Jun 19 2007, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
WOAH! u obviously have no idea what it takes to master an instrument to such a level T-Barker is on..its prob because you only listen to rap which requires NO instrumental talent at all..T-Barker is considered by many as one of the best drummers of all time...and you just watched him play with one arm!

T-Barker>Lil Wayne..
just accept it..

LIl Wayne is a rapper. Game and Wayne could kick Barkers ass.
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Posted 19 June 2007 - 11:39 PM

QUOTE (kobeskool @ Jun 20 2007, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
LIl Wayne is a rapper. Game and Wayne could kick Barkers ass.

hey everyone listen as kobes fav rapper lil wayne mentions Travis Barker in his rap..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2l0k6boLJZo
"Beat It Up Like It's A Drum...Call Me Travis Barker.."- Lil Wayne

T-barker and Wayne are bois..just accept it!
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Posted 20 June 2007 - 12:27 AM

QUOTE (vilmatime51 @ Jun 19 2007, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hey everyone listen as kobes fav rapper lil wayne mentions Travis Barker in his rap..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2l0k6boLJZo
"Beat It Up Like It's A Drum...Call Me Travis Barker.."- Lil Wayne

T-barker and Wayne are bois..just accept it!

Just because he was high and said his name in a rap doesn't mean they are boys.
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Posted 20 June 2007 - 06:39 AM

QUOTE (kobeskool @ Jun 20 2007, 01:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just because he was high and said his name in a rap doesn't mean they are boys.


Barker + Lil Wayne + The Game= Boys...just accept it
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Posted 20 June 2007 - 09:25 AM

What does lil wayne and travis barker maybe being friends have to do with anything?

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