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ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 08:52 PM) The SIMPSONS MARATHON has been on for almost 12 hours...
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 08:57 PM) Sanchez looks so much more confident and better in Chip's offense than he did with us
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 09:50 PM) EVERY SIMPSONS EVER!!!!!
2JBallar01 Icon : (22 August 2014 - 07:10 AM) Sanchez is looking good for the eagles. Crazy how a good offense and the right system can make you look so much better. When you're put into a situatuon to succeed, magic happens. Happy for Sanchez, i think he needed a change just as much as the Jets did.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (22 August 2014 - 08:02 AM) Preseason doesn't matter at all
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 August 2014 - 11:10 AM) anyone have a stream for the preseaosn agme by chance?
ROBJETS Icon : (22 August 2014 - 09:06 PM) Don't read to much into Mark in the preseason. He usually looked good in the preseason even in a Jets uniform.. Big difference from regular season where the 1st string defense is playing 100%.
ROBJETS Icon : (22 August 2014 - 09:09 PM) A lot of 1st stringers are just getting reps in and trying not to get injured. Its only the backups trying to keep or get a job playing hard every down. If preseason qb play meant anything then Matt Simms would be the starting qb of the Jets.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (23 August 2014 - 12:00 AM) In Geno we trust
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (23 August 2014 - 07:23 AM) preseason or not, our offense hasn't looked competent in a while like it does this year. our rushing attack should be very good. Chris Johnson and Chris Ivory could be a dynamic duo
santana Icon : (23 August 2014 - 10:14 AM) http://youtu.be/2X0H709cJkA
santana Icon : (23 August 2014 - 01:28 PM) 2-0 lead most dangerous kind of lead
ganggreen2003 Icon : (24 August 2014 - 02:46 PM) Sam Bradford tears ACL and out for the season
ganggreen2003 Icon : (24 August 2014 - 03:13 PM) Dimitri Patterson is MISSING
ganggreen2003 Icon : (24 August 2014 - 04:50 PM) BREAKING NEWS: NO FAT CHICKS!!!!
MikeGangGree... Icon : (24 August 2014 - 10:28 PM) Rams want Sanchez
MikeGangGree... Icon : (24 August 2014 - 10:28 PM) Shotty and Sanchez again
FlyHiJets Icon : (25 August 2014 - 01:04 PM) Champ Bailey to be released by Denver. Considering how busted up we are and Patterson now being suspended, do we take a look?
FlyHiJets Icon : (25 August 2014 - 01:05 PM) Cro rumored to be gettin released from Arizona. We should definitely bring him in since he already knows the system and he's bett erhtan our 3rd/4th stringers which is where we're at at this point.
FlyHiJets Icon : (25 August 2014 - 01:06 PM) *better than
Chaos Icon : (25 August 2014 - 01:58 PM) Cro may get released?!
Chaos Icon : (25 August 2014 - 02:07 PM) /announcement
Jetsfan115 Icon : (25 August 2014 - 04:54 PM) patterson suspended indefinatly by idzik. were fucked at CB right now
azjetfan Icon : (25 August 2014 - 08:35 PM) Do the Rams have a CB worth trading for?
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (25 August 2014 - 08:52 PM) FIRE IDZIK
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (25 August 2014 - 10:29 PM) Saunders had a seizure, that is why he got into a car crash. He returned to practice, weird/
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:00 AM) ‏@AdamSchefter 4m
Jets tried trading WR Stepehen Hill this summer. No takers. Let's see if final cuts today and Saturday change that equation.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:15 AM) i hate izdik
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 12:32 PM) Our starting CB Walls working in rehab area
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 02:52 PM) any CBs that are decent on the trade block or facing salary cuts?
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 03:00 PM) I wouldnt cut Hill watch him go to NE and turn into Randy Moss
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:13 PM) I'm just glad there aren't anymore greedy bastards on the team to deal with
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:13 PM) Or street thugs
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:13 PM) f*** a CB problem
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:49 PM) need 1 more in the fantasy league
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 08:33 PM) Dimitri suspended for the rest of preseason. I'm sorry, I know we are bone dry at corner these days but they should have cut this prick on the spot . He's going to get torched regardless this year and I'd rather cut ties with any potential cancerous attitutudes before the season even starts.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 08:34 PM) Where I come from you take responsibility for your actions. Not showing up for a game is cowardly and selfish. f*** him
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 08:36 PM) Also he doesn't know what the acronym AWOL means so he's also an idiot. No wonder he's never been anything but a journeyman corner is this league.
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 09:11 PM) So how do you really feel?
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 11:18 PM) I think my last three posts pretty much summarize how I feel haha. He's making 1.5 mill this year and no call no shows because his feeling are hurt. Would rather you play corner azjetfan than this guy
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 08:12 AM) Need 1 more for FFB!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 08:39 AM) Stephen Hill is going to get cut, guy sucks. Greg Salas is a better football player and deserves a spot over him
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Today, 11:27 AM) So when do we show up to 115s house with pitchforks, tar and feathers?
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 12:03 PM) i'd rather see idzik go then hill. fire idzik
bleedsgreen Icon : (Today, 12:21 PM) Hill is such a disappointment. I really was hopping for so much when he scored 2 TDs his first game
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Posted 03 April 2007 - 09:42 AM

QUOTE (Amen @ Apr 3 2007, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I first heard of him back in about September and I don't think anyone's really tried to get at him like that yet. A few dudes have tried to trivialize what he's said and call him just as ignorant as the rappers he's criticizing, but no one's officially dropped his name in a diss yet. They're probably hoping that if they ignore him that he'll go away. Unless it's a beef where both rappers are gonna talk about how much more money they got than the next, then there's really nothing else to say.

The nature of this industry is to maintain a believable facade, and what NYOIL is trying to do is shatter that. You don't have to really be a murderous drug kingpin, but the fans need to believe you are. And since half these rappers really aren't, they can't get mad at a dude who's calling them out on it. But he's not calling them out in the way that Saigon or Tru Life would. Tru Life calls every rapper fake and *beep*, but while they're fake and *beep*, he builds himself up as really real and really tougher than they are. NYOIL's approach is, perhaps, more righteous, if that's the proper term. I don't wanna compare him to Malcolm X, but his approach of inspiring change is definitely inspired by Malcolm X. He wants to show his people the shit that goes on around them, that keeps us in the positions we are, how ignorance is glorified, and show everyone how that's a very intentional and orchestrated plan. While other rappers have shown the turn-the-other-cheek mentality and just "do them" like the Roots or anyone that's not into acting out for the camera, you got NYOIL who's going right at the jugular of it all.

You think that when rappers are selected to endorse things that kids in the ghetto can't afford isn't intentional? And every year the new endorsement gets more expensive. We went from $70 Polo jeans to $300 Evisu jeans. We went from $60 air force's and $110 jordans to $400 prada boots and $250 bapes, that require another $200+ hoody to match it. The popular music demographic is from 10-24. You got labels like Roc-A-Fella and Dipset, who at the height of their popularity launched their own liquor brands. So when the majority of your fans are under the legal drinking age, in fact, when your music targets the demographic under the legal drinking age, what kind of poison are you pumping out to the youth? Yeah, I think we all drank underage, and did it for whatever reasons we had, so we can't specifically blame rap -- but where's the desire to help?


Good post!

Me being 28 and started listening to hip hop around 87 I've been around to witness this whole transformation. The real truth is is that you CAN blame it on rap. (this is my outsiders looking in approach) you have inner city youth living in or under the poverty line and making it big. These same cats now have morgages and big willie sh!t to deal with but the core of this problem is "role models", how is man to be a role model to an adolecent when he's having a hard time dealing with being man. We have parents in our society that shouldn't be parents raising kids they shouldn't have. O.K I'm getting off track a bit but what I'm trying to say is rap and hip hop now-a-days is corrupting everything it touches. People are enamored with the materialistic lifestyle that these rappers are constantly rapping about. I don't want to some like some anti-rap activist but truth be told. I love hip hop and will take it to the grave with me but I'm not blinded to the point where I can't see the negativity and the utter corruption it has on the masses (specifically our youth) I work for a life insurance company and when I was working in N.Y you couldn't imagine how many 19 year olds I have coming in talking to me about life insurance. FUCKED UP SH!T. Look, rap is like a poison because not everyone is mentally strong to be their own person, alot of folk are looking for an outlet and are trying to find some sort of common bond to relate or fit in. Sex,money, drugs,thugism are rotting whole economic societies. Geographically killing people like aids, long and slow. This will never stop because it's a circle, it's a circle of continuous bullsh!t. Inner city youth or urbanized youth rapping about things they dream of like b!tches and money and teaching (rapping) about it for the next generation to follow, it's a never ending cycle.

I don't want to sound like some peace keeper or someone who's above all this because I myself at my age buy into it. I listen to it and live it. I play my part but at the same time I'm not turning my an ear to it and I'm not acting like the problem isn't there. To say "you can't blame it on rap" is nonsense. It's like giving a kid alcohol and that kid growing up to be an alcoholic and saying "it aien't my fault"

Bottom line is there is no way to unravel this, sure we can think of nice ways and ideas but truth is it's a cancer thats uncurable Guys like NY Oil come along and try to put their stamp on the issue. Trying and grab a hold of a small piece of the hip hop community and make them see through a different light, thats why I respect him. Hip hop at it's purest form is a beautiful thing and it's gotten me through life but theres no denying how certain entities have tainted it from the very grassroots.

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Posted 03 April 2007 - 10:11 AM

I absolutely agree with you. In present day society, Hip-Hop definitely doesn't help what goes on in low-income communities. It sucks because you got these dudes glorifying being street dudes while living in mansions way outside of the city. The kids listening don't think about that. They think about snatching the next dude's chain, and doin' some pitchin' on the block so they can cop a new whip -- only to keep living in the projects. And since a lot of the message of Hip-Hop music is to resist positivity, then it's not cool to speak to kids about the alternatives in life. It's easier to give props to a dude like Hell Rell than it is to show NYOIL love. The same way it used to be cooler to be the class clown as a kid, rather than be the one who was on the honor roll. Like NYOIL said in his song, "*beep* come home from college/ y'all say he ain't shit/ *beep* come home from jail/ Y'all all on his dick..." It's extra wack because I got this chick I was talkin' to (My Bernie Williams if you remember the Cigar Bar post) and she just recently got a job making a little over $45k a year. Instead of takin that dough to move out of that apartment in the projects with her son, she buys herself a Benz, to park on the block.. while ridin an elevator that smells like piss.

But liquor, drug abuse, obsessions with sex, etc were all around before Hip-Hop. There's dudes who aren't fans of Hip-Hop that are just as self-destructive. Music genres all have their different drugs of choice. The flaw that comes with Hip-Hop is the racial undertone that this society has fueled. Ever since Hip-Hop became popular music it became part of the machine. Like I said before, it helps fuel self-hatred. Every kid has to think "this ain't good enough" and wants more even if it's not within his means. You've got grown ass women with 4 kids who're 2 months late on rent that need to spend $90 to get their hair done and do it twice a month. That materialism is a mu'fucka.


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Masta Ace - Born to Roll
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Posted 03 April 2007 - 02:22 PM

QUOTE (kobeskool @ Apr 2 2007, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm gonna change the topic to the offical rap thread.
Wait who downloads stuff legaly anymore? There is something you can buy at stores where it takes the words out of the song if you can not find the instrumenal.

do u have any idea how much that costs and where i could get it, cause that would be f***ing AWESOME!
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Posted 04 April 2007 - 11:45 PM

QUOTE (JetsMan4012 @ Apr 3 2007, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
do u have any idea how much that costs and where i could get it, cause that would be f***ing AWESOME!

I don't know where you could get it at. You should try google and see what it is called.
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Posted 05 April 2007 - 10:08 AM

Bump.

We gotta show them rock dude whats up.



With proper music.
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Posted 06 April 2007 - 11:06 AM

a couple days ago i posted a blog on here(and my myspace also) about who i think is the top 6 freestylers out right now. but my 3 and 4 r tied with each other and 5 and 6 r tied, i think my 4 is a better battler but my 3 is a better freestyler straight up
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Posted 15 June 2007 - 10:24 PM

Alright fuckers...time to bump this thread back up, for no reason at all!
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Posted 15 June 2007 - 10:26 PM

kobesgay why do you have to steal my material?

(and this will be the last time I post in a thread endorsing rap)
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Posted 15 June 2007 - 10:27 PM

QUOTE (HarlemHellfighterNYC @ Jun 15 2007, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
kobesgay why do you have to steal my material?

(and this will be the last time I post in a thread endorsing rap)

Just to get you to post in a rap thread. hysterical.gif
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Posted 15 June 2007 - 11:37 PM

kobesgay I think we can come to a peace agreement about music now

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VjuMJn0y2w0
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Posted 19 June 2007 - 09:17 PM

QUOTE (HarlemHellfighterNYC @ Jun 15 2007, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
kobesgay I think we can come to a peace agreement about music now

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VjuMJn0y2w0

HarlemHomofvckerNYC, The Game makes the drummer sound good.

P.s what up wit the new name? Its whack.
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Posted 19 June 2007 - 09:29 PM

QUOTE (kobeskool @ Jun 19 2007, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
HarlemHomofvckerNYC, The Game makes the drummer sound good.

P.s what up wit the new name? Its whack.


Oh man I can't wait till Vilmatime gets here with you talkin bout Travis Barker like that. Oh there will be blood.

P.S.: With a s/n like that, you have NO right to talk about someone else's s/n hysterical.gif
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Posted 19 June 2007 - 10:35 PM

QUOTE (HarlemHxC814 @ Jun 19 2007, 09:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh man I can't wait till Vilmatime gets here with you talkin bout Travis Barker like that. Oh there will be blood.

P.S.: With a s/n like that, you have NO right to talk about someone else's s/n hysterical.gif

HHF was better then the new one. Vilmatime also has a hard one for the Game so he shouldn't care to much.
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Posted 19 June 2007 - 11:13 PM

QUOTE (kobeskool @ Jun 19 2007, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
HarlemHomofvckerNYC, The Game makes the drummer sound good.

P.s what up wit the new name? Its whack.

WOAH! u obviously have no idea what it takes to master an instrument to such a level T-Barker is on..its prob because you only listen to rap which requires NO instrumental talent at all..T-Barker is considered by many as one of the best drummers of all time...and you just watched him play with one arm!

T-Barker>Lil Wayne..
just accept it..
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Posted 19 June 2007 - 11:16 PM

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WOAH! u obviously have no idea what it takes to master an instrument to such a level T-Barker is on..its prob because you only listen to rap which requires NO instrumental talent at all..T-Barker is considered by many as one of the best drummers of all time...and you just watched him play with one arm!


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Posted 19 June 2007 - 11:22 PM

QUOTE (vilmatime51 @ Jun 19 2007, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
WOAH! u obviously have no idea what it takes to master an instrument to such a level T-Barker is on..its prob because you only listen to rap which requires NO instrumental talent at all..T-Barker is considered by many as one of the best drummers of all time...and you just watched him play with one arm!

T-Barker>Lil Wayne..
just accept it..

LIl Wayne is a rapper. Game and Wayne could kick Barkers ass.
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Posted 19 June 2007 - 11:39 PM

QUOTE (kobeskool @ Jun 20 2007, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
LIl Wayne is a rapper. Game and Wayne could kick Barkers ass.

hey everyone listen as kobes fav rapper lil wayne mentions Travis Barker in his rap..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2l0k6boLJZo
"Beat It Up Like It's A Drum...Call Me Travis Barker.."- Lil Wayne

T-barker and Wayne are bois..just accept it!
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Posted 20 June 2007 - 12:27 AM

QUOTE (vilmatime51 @ Jun 19 2007, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hey everyone listen as kobes fav rapper lil wayne mentions Travis Barker in his rap..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2l0k6boLJZo
"Beat It Up Like It's A Drum...Call Me Travis Barker.."- Lil Wayne

T-barker and Wayne are bois..just accept it!

Just because he was high and said his name in a rap doesn't mean they are boys.
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Posted 20 June 2007 - 06:39 AM

QUOTE (kobeskool @ Jun 20 2007, 01:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just because he was high and said his name in a rap doesn't mean they are boys.


Barker + Lil Wayne + The Game= Boys...just accept it
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Posted 20 June 2007 - 09:25 AM

What does lil wayne and travis barker maybe being friends have to do with anything?

Thanks for the Memories
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