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Post icon  Posted 14 May 2007 - 12:24 AM

O.K I've been wanting to do this since he got drafted. I was proven wrong in here about the worth of 1st round corners and the records reflect that the NFL's elite corners were all first round picks for the most part. I decided to do alittle bit of research on gathering all the combine numbers of all the elite corners in this league to compare them with our boy Darrelle Revis. Here we go!

Champ Bailey

Height- 5116
Weight- 184
40 yard dash- 4.28
20 yard dash- 2.48
10 yard dash- 1.48
Wonderlic score- 25
Vertical jump- 37
Broad Jump- 10'1"
20 yard shuffle- 3.79

Deangelo Hall

Height- 5100
Weight- 202
40 yard dash- 4.37
20 yard dash- 2.55
10 yard-1.49
wonderlic- 23
* Only went through half of the drills. These are the only ones on record

Terrence Newman

Height- 5103
Weight- 189
40 yard dash- 4.37
20 yard dash- 2.61
10 yard dash- 1.56
Wonderlic- 18
Vertical jump- 41 (WOW)
Broad jump- 11'4"
20 yard shuttle- 3.83

Asante Samuel

Height- 5107
Weight 185
40 yard dash 4.49
20 yard dash- 2.66
10 yard dash- 1.59
Wonderlic- 10 (wow)
Vertical jump- 35
Broad jump- 10'0"
20 yard shuttle- 4.41

Darrelle Revis

Height-5114
weight- 204
40 yard dash- 4.38
20 yard dash- 2.49
10 yard dash- 1.46
vertical jump- 38
broad jump- 10'5"
20 yard shuttle- 4.08

Chris McAlister

height- 6011
weight- 205
40 yard dash- 4.53
20 yard dash-2.66
10 yard dash- 1.58
vertical jump- 38
wonderlic- 16
broad jump- 10'1"
20 yard stuttle- 4.08




There were alot of other guys I tried to get but they didn't have combine or pro day numbers but I think you get the idea. Revis is on pace to be an elite caliber corner in this league. He's a tad more freakish because he's the heaviest CB that I've seen but he still has the same general numbers as NFL elite corners. Mind you these are just numbers but he's ON PACE with these numbers to be among the elite. Champ Bailey had a freakish 40 time that is a combine best and documented 4.28 is absolutely disgusting! other then that they are par for the course. The real thing thats most impressive about these numbers is he's one of the biggest corners virtually on any 1st rd board since 99. Most corners are under the 200lbs mark but he's still running faster,jumping higher and having better combines then alot of the elite NFL'ers.

Chris McAlister is just as big but if you look at there 40's Revis destroyed him and again these are just numbers but definitely interesting to conduct player comparisons to see where they stack up. Can Revis use his God given abilites and take the coaching in too be elite is still in question. He's still very young and raw but if you're a Jet fan you half to like where his skill set are compared to the beasts of the NFL at that position.

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Posted 14 May 2007 - 12:31 AM

Wow this post is amazing, s-dubb. You definatly proved your point and came out right! Revis is faster than Asante Samuel, and Chris McAlister who both are probably considered top 10 and maybe even top 5 corners. He's smarter than all of them, not to mention Samuel's 10 on the wonderlic.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 05:08 AM

This was pretty encouraging at first glance, my only hesitation is that great athlete's don't always transfer to great CB's. ex. Justin Miller.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 06:46 AM

Physical measureables don't equate to being elite. You still need coverage skills which are mental. Justin Miller would be an elite CB today, too bad he can't cover.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 09:28 AM

I like Revis. Can't we just start the freaking season? I wanna see some INTs!
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 01:41 PM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ May 14 2007, 01:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
O.K I've been wanting to do this since he got drafted. I was proven wrong in here about the worth of 1st round corners and the records reflect that the NFL's elite corners were all first round picks for the most part. I decided to do alittle bit of research on gathering all the combine numbers of all the elite corners in this league to compare them with our boy Darrelle Revis. Here we go!

Champ Bailey

Height- 5116
Weight- 184
40 yard dash- 4.28
20 yard dash- 2.48
10 yard dash- 1.48
Wonderlic score- 25
Vertical jump- 37
Broad Jump- 10'1"
20 yard shuffle- 3.79

Deangelo Hall

Height- 5100
Weight- 202
40 yard dash- 4.37
20 yard dash- 2.55
10 yard-1.49
wonderlic- 23
* Only went through half of the drills. These are the only ones on record

Terrence Newman

Height- 5103
Weight- 189
40 yard dash- 4.37
20 yard dash- 2.61
10 yard dash- 1.56
Wonderlic- 18
Vertical jump- 41 (WOW)
Broad jump- 11'4"
20 yard shuttle- 3.83

Asante Samuel

Height- 5107
Weight 185
40 yard dash 4.49
20 yard dash- 2.66
10 yard dash- 1.59
Wonderlic- 10 (wow)
Vertical jump- 35
Broad jump- 10'0"
20 yard shuttle- 4.41

Darrelle Revis

Height-5114
weight- 204
40 yard dash- 4.38
20 yard dash- 2.49
10 yard dash- 1.46
vertical jump- 38
broad jump- 10'5"
20 yard shuttle- 4.08

Chris McAlister

height- 6011
weight- 205
40 yard dash- 4.53
20 yard dash-2.66
10 yard dash- 1.58
vertical jump- 38
wonderlic- 16
broad jump- 10'1"
20 yard stuttle- 4.08


There were alot of other guys I tried to get but they didn't have combine or pro day numbers but I think you get the idea. Revis is on pace to be an elite caliber corner in this league. He's a tad more freakish because he's the heaviest CB that I've seen but he still has the same general numbers as NFL elite corners. Mind you these are just numbers but he's ON PACE with these numbers to be among the elite. Champ Bailey had a freakish 40 time that is a combine best and documented 4.28 is absolutely disgusting! other then that they are par for the course. The real thing thats most impressive about these numbers is he's one of the biggest corners virtually on any 1st rd board since 99. Most corners are under the 200lbs mark but he's still running faster,jumping higher and having better combines then alot of the elite NFL'ers.

Chris McAlister is just as big but if you look at there 40's Revis destroyed him and again these are just numbers but definitely interesting to conduct player comparisons to see where they stack up. Can Revis use his God given abilites and take the coaching in too be elite is still in question. He's still very young and raw but if you're a Jet fan you half to like where his skill set are compared to the beasts of the NFL at that position.

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Yea Revis is a beast, he may of been taken higher in the draft if he went to a bigger named school, and also if he didnt have a pulled hamstring all of last season. He didnt have many Ints because people didnt throw his way because he shutted down WRs. His measureables are defintly good looking. If you look at all of those players, each of their teams are good. I believe unless you run the tampa cover 2 defense, you need that 1 CB that can line up against #1 WRs. Revis is going to be working to be a shut down CB. He is extremely athletic, and will fit our defense really good. With Mangini coaching him I cant see him failing but will see.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 01:43 PM

QUOTE (nysackexchange @ May 14 2007, 06:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This was pretty encouraging at first glance, my only hesitation is that great athlete's don't always transfer to great CB's. ex. Justin Miller.

Yea but Revis wasnt drafted because of those numbers, he was drafted because of his play, he was shut down in College and was a very consistent player. Miller had great numbers, but his play was very inconsistent, at times he looked like a dominate CB, but he always flops. And the same in the NFL so far, at times Miller makes some reallly good plays, but sometimes he makes dumb plays were the guy catches it over him.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 01:58 PM

QUOTE (theanalogkid @ May 14 2007, 07:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Physical measureables don't equate to being elite. You still need coverage skills which are mental. Justin Miller would be an elite CB today, too bad he can't cover.


If you read the whole post you would have noticed I made comment to these just being numbers. I realize there are way more into being a good corner but non the less Revis is on pace with the rest of the elite to be elite. He's coming into the league par for the course if not better then the elite that have previously came.

Mangini is a DB coach. He's good with corners so Revis is coming into a good situation. This is year 3 for Justin as well. Where most corners get it going. It would really be nice if Miller came into his own this year. Miller,Revis and Dyson??? WHOA!!
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 02:00 PM

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Yea but Revis wasnt drafted because of those numbers, he was drafted because of his play, he was shut down in College and was a very consistent player. Miller had great numbers, but his play was very inconsistent, at times he looked like a dominate CB, but he always flops. And the same in the NFL so far, at times Miller makes some reallly good plays, but sometimes he makes dumb plays were the guy catches it over him.


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Posted 14 May 2007 - 05:31 PM

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Yea but Revis wasnt drafted because of those numbers, he was drafted because of his play, he was shut down in College and was a very consistent player. Miller had great numbers, but his play was very inconsistent, at times he looked like a dominate CB, but he always flops. And the same in the NFL so far, at times Miller makes some reallly good plays, but sometimes he makes dumb plays were the guy catches it over him.


I agree, as I said I really like his measurables, and he is much more polished than Miller coming out.. I'm just not convinced quite yet. I'll need to see him against NFL players until I get too excited. I still enjoyed this post a lot, I didn't realize he was that physically gifted.

Just for the point of a counter argument against him (I believe he's going to be good, but I found this interesting). Revis played against only ONE!!! WR that was taken in the entire 2007 draft. He played against Mike Walker who was selected in the middle of the 3rd round. He caught 8 passes for 73 yards in that game. I have no clue if he was even covering him on not, but he wasn't exactly lining up against Calvin Johnson and Dwayne Jarret every game either.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 07:33 PM

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I agree, as I said I really like his measurables, and he is much more polished than Miller coming out.. I'm just not convinced quite yet. I'll need to see him against NFL players until I get too excited. I still enjoyed this post a lot, I didn't realize he was that physically gifted.

Just for the point of a counter argument against him (I believe he's going to be good, but I found this interesting). Revis played against only ONE!!! WR that was taken in the entire 2007 draft. He played against Mike Walker who was selected in the middle of the 3rd round. He caught 8 passes for 73 yards in that game. I have no clue if he was even covering him on not, but he wasn't exactly lining up against Calvin Johnson and Dwayne Jarret every game either.

Yea but that is what drafting players is, you dont get players that line up on superstars at CB all the time, but the WRs he did face he did good against. Its more about him having tons of talent, and now its about him keep on working hard and learning the defense and adjusting to the NFL, and also Mangini coaching him up.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 08:46 PM

nice post and find! im very interested on how he turns out
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Posted 15 May 2007 - 06:30 PM

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I agree, as I said I really like his measurables, and he is much more polished than Miller coming out.. I'm just not convinced quite yet. I'll need to see him against NFL players until I get too excited. I still enjoyed this post a lot, I didn't realize he was that physically gifted.

Just for the point of a counter argument against him (I believe he's going to be good, but I found this interesting). Revis played against only ONE!!! WR that was taken in the entire 2007 draft. He played against Mike Walker who was selected in the middle of the 3rd round. He caught 8 passes for 73 yards in that game. I have no clue if he was even covering him on not, but he wasn't exactly lining up against Calvin Johnson and Dwayne Jarret every game either.


You do bring up a good counter argument though about Revis. He was in a pretty horrible division and the talent wasn't that of a Dwayne Jarrett's and Calvin Johnson's but in college he was known for locking down 1 whole side of the football field. He's got good intangables to work with and a great skill set.. plus he's a smart cat so I'm expecting good things from him right out of the gate. People just didn't like throwing to his side of the field because he was that much of a threat and he's spectacular against the run. In my opinion thats what separated him and Leon Hall in the draft.

I personally feel he is the very best corner prospect in this draft. Thats just my opinion..
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Posted 15 May 2007 - 06:48 PM

I love it. 2006 we get the #1 tackle and #1 center and this year we get the #1 CB!
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Posted 15 May 2007 - 07:06 PM

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I love it. 2006 we get the #1 tackle and #1 center and this year we get the #1 CB!


I'd bet to differ about the #1 tackle though. I think Brick will be good (I'm praying) but don't think he was the best prospect tackle in the 06 draft. IMO
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Posted 15 May 2007 - 10:25 PM

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I'd bet to differ about the #1 tackle though. I think Brick will be good (I'm praying) but don't think he was the best prospect tackle in the 06 draft. IMO

He absolutely was. Whether or not he turns out to be the best tackle in that draft remains to be seen. However, he was without a doubt the best prospect.
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Posted 15 May 2007 - 10:35 PM

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He absolutely was. Whether or not he turns out to be the best tackle in that draft remains to be seen. However, he was without a doubt the best prospect.


Yeah thats what I meant. I was going off the prospect rankings, my bad.
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Posted 16 May 2007 - 10:33 AM

You know what... I think Brick will be the best LT out of that class. He's amazing at pass coverage. I just want to see him bulk up and get MEAN and start plowing people over. He surely didn't disappoint me with the way he covered the leagues best DE's. I only wanted to see him dominate a little more and be more rounded. He was merely a rookie..... gotta keep that in mind.
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Posted 16 May 2007 - 11:27 AM

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Yeah thats what I meant. I was going off the prospect rankings, my bad.


Most experts would have probably agreed that Marcus McNeil had a higher ceiling than D'Brick, although his back problems is what scared most teams away. So he was actually the top prospect IMO.
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Posted 17 May 2007 - 03:36 AM

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Most experts would have probably agreed that Marcus McNeil had a higher ceiling than D'Brick, although his back problems is what scared most teams away. So he was actually the top prospect IMO.

I really don't think that's true. As far as I know, Brick was the best rated tackle on everyone's board. A lot of guys had him as the best tackle to come out since Orlando Pace. His back didn't help him, but I don't think anyone gave McNeil a higher ceiling than Brick.
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