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Interesting Stat About Pennington And Other Nfl Qbs.. 2006 QB Deep Out Pass Rankings..

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Post icon  Posted 21 July 2007 - 12:08 PM

Heres an interesting stat i came across of how accuratly NFL QBs threw the "deep out" during the 2006 season..Pennington tied for 6th and was 16 for 28 on his deep out attempts..

on page 11..
http://thefootballsc...ample_rev_2.pdf

2006 QB Deep Out Pass Rankings


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Posted 21 July 2007 - 12:56 PM

Interesting stuff there, cool site too. Interesting how that's the big knack on him, the inability to throw the deep out. I had always said that Pennington's arm wasn't as weak as they say, like he couldn't throw 30 yards. I felt people underrated his arm as they always say it's overrated.
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 01:21 PM

Good to see Chad with the best TD:INT ratio of the bunch - shows that he protects the ball but I'd suspect he has had a number broken up by DBs leading to his lowish completion %. Still we throw the route just over half as much as the Bengals and Colts. It's shocking to see Brady so low.
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 01:41 PM

more proof chad is a GREAT QB and not just a decent one as mots people here think
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 02:22 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan115 @ Jul 21 2007, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
more proof chad is a GREAT QB and not just a decent one as mots people here think


Exactly.. He'll be bigger and stronger this year. Can't wait to see him tear it up out there
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 02:39 PM

hopefully he doesnt get injured again.........
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 04:02 PM

Hmmm....the strong armed Favre neither throws nor completes the deep out very often. Surprising.

But the QB's with the most yards from that pattern are known for strong arms.

As with all statistics there is a question of what it shows and doesn't show. For instance, it does not appear to show how many times Chad threw to a back or tight end running a shorter pattern because the guy running the deep out was only a yard or so in front of his man, while that cushion would have been enough for a stronger armed QB to power the ball in there.

Still, it shows the deep out IS part of the Jets' offense when Chad is quarterbacking.

I think it is pretty clear that, when healthy, Chad's arm is strong enough to do what he has to do to effectively move the team. He will never be a Brett Favre type who uses his arm strength to pump up his teammates. But he will find the open man and get the ball to him more often than most QB's. If you can find and hit the open man, your coach and teammates will be very happy with you.
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 05:52 PM

QUOTE (Chadforpresidentin08 @ Jul 21 2007, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Interesting stuff there, cool site too. Interesting how that's the big knack on him, the inability to throw the deep out. I had always said that Pennington's arm wasn't as weak as they say, like he couldn't throw 30 yards. I felt people underrated his arm as they always say it's overrated.
Wonder when BestHands is gonna show up in this thread...


sorry wouldnt want to dissapoint

and if u think that percentage makes chad a GREAT qb u smoke too much stuff. anyway chad is and neva will be GREAT now peeps are gettin outta control.

and YES Pennington still has a weak ass arm cus he cant even put a 6 yard out route in there, they all be floaters. When Coles consistantly gets killed cus he gets hung out to dry on a 6 yard out, that def doesnt help the arm strength perspective.

see u can throw all these numbers around trying to make pennington seem betta, but his number of incompletions is still bad on the out for startes, how far they takin into consideration what a deep out is? does the yardage gained count on the out or the yardage thrown? GIVE ME A BREAK


You guys are great at finding stats online, how i dunno but its great its why i come here, cus i dont have time to do it. but a lot of you guys really dont know enough about football or watch your watchin, either that or your being WAY over biased. Chad will be just another decent qb that will only stay alive in the memory of Jets fans and wont be passed down as example to the next generation as a qb to aspire to or that did sumthin.

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Posted 21 July 2007 - 07:01 PM

your just a hater


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Posted 21 July 2007 - 07:13 PM

Whats even more impressive is that he has 3 times more attempts than the top 5. Otherwise I'm sure he'd be ranked even higher.




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Posted 21 July 2007 - 07:15 PM

Must be tough to be a fan of a team, but have such a dislike for the teams starting QB! Especially one that got your team into the playoffs every year he started 12 games or more! And I don't want to hear that he is injury prone, you show a picture BEST HANDS of a play that any QB would have got injured on!
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 07:28 PM

QUOTE (Leon#29 @ Jul 21 2007, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Must be tough to be a fan of a team, but have such a dislike for the teams starting QB! Especially one that got your team into the playoffs every year he started 12 games or more! And I don't want to hear that he is injury prone, you show a picture BEST HANDS of a play that any QB would have got injured on!


HAHAHAHAAHHA yr intelligence level has been proven here, the words best day ever are to express my joy that i felt that day. Of course any qb would get hurt from that, i dont think any less of a players ability cus he got hurt, im just showin how happy that play made me that Chad was out of the game at least for a few weeks i wouldnt have to watch his sorry ass. Chad is the ONLY player i dont feel bad for when he gets injured, and actually cheers for when it happens.

And when chad wins a super bowl come talk to me, until then take yr playoffs and shove um. Id rather the Jets be like the lions cus at least we'd have a lot of exciting plays instead of 90precent boredom then broken heart in first or second round.

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Posted 21 July 2007 - 07:57 PM

Listen, lets not talk about intellect! That injury I know couldn't have made you happy! It happened in preseason of 2003, the year after Pennington came in for Vinny when MY team was 1-3 (I believe) and had an incredible season! Beat Manning and the Colts 41-0 in the playoffs and had the Jets tied 10-10 against Oakland the following week at half until the entire team Chad included folded up! Go root for the Lions! I'm not on this board to get into debates! I'm on to talk about my team unbiasedly and to respect everyone.
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 08:02 PM

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but his number of incompletions is still bad on the out for startes,


The chart shows otherwise.

Pennington is 13th out of 39 QB's rated for completion percentage on the deep oiut. That puts him in the top third. Two thirds of the rated Qb's are not as accurate as Chad on that route. So therefore, his number of incompletions is NOT bad-it's quite good.

Add the fact that Chad is sixth out of 39 Qb's in number of yards on that play-a play he is supposed to be weak in-and it is clear that his performance on the deep out is way, way above average.
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 08:06 PM

QUOTE (BESTHANDS8381 @ Jul 21 2007, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
HAHAHAHAAHHA yr intelligence level has been proven here, the words best day ever are to express my joy that i felt that day. Of course any qb would get hurt from that, i dont think any less of a players ability cus he got hurt, im just showin how happy that play made me that Chad was out of the game at least for a few weeks i wouldnt have to watch his sorry ass. Chad is the ONLY player i dont feel bad for when he gets injured, and actually cheers for when it happens.

And when chad wins a super bowl come talk to me, until then take yr playoffs and shove um. Id rather the Jets be like the lions cus at least we'd have a lot of exciting plays instead of 90precent boredom then broken heart in first or second round.

i guess marino is a shitty QB then huh? so was elway until terell davis came. winning a superbowl doens't make a QB great or not. Trent Dilfer won a SB and marino hasn't who's a better QB? this come talk to me when he wins a SB crap is a weak argument.

also you were happy that chad got hurt and we went 4-12? what kind of fan are u. seriosuly. i guess u think your a better talent evaluator then mangini is too cause he felt chad is teh best QB on the roster and u don't and your always right huh?
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 08:20 PM

Ahhhh it just wouldn't be a thread without the dazzling intelligence of B.H. He just delightens us with his wisdom.

I'm not going to discuss Chad or merely anthing else for that matter with B.H and I suggest other people do the same. Talking to B.H is like talking to a 4 year old. He can't comprehend to well but runs off at the mouth without any recollection of any common sense. These are the kinds of characters we get on message boards. There have been plenty of members here who came in and were just imbeciles but over the course of time most of them changed. Hopefully one day B.H will grow up and learn how to respect his elders and others in general.

However.. it doesn't matter what anyone says about Chad, numbskulls like B.H will blantantly disregard fact,stats and opinions of others. So really it's useless trying to conversate with him about simple topics like this because you'll get ignorant responses and about 2 pages of material to give you a migrane.

B.H learn to talk to people and converse accordingly. Friendly jawing is fine but we don't want personal attacks or any other type's of attacks to be posted about another member.

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Posted 21 July 2007 - 08:29 PM

I see that Dubb. It is what it is, I guess! Understand your point. For instance I don't think that Barrett will make the team--salary+ lost a step, I see and read on the Barrett topic that you still feel he is a quality player. I respect your opinion, eventhough I don't agree, but if he makes the team I'm rooting for him 100%!! That goes for all the players, the Jets are my passion good bad or indifferent!!
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Posted 21 July 2007 - 08:52 PM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ Jul 21 2007, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ahhhh it just wouldn't be a thread without the dazzling intelligence of B.H. He just delightens us with his wisdom.

I'm not going to discuss Chad or merely anthing else for that matter with B.H and I suggest other people do the same. Talking to B.H is like talking to a 4 year old. He can't comprehend to well but runs off at the mouth without any recollection of any common sense. These are the kinds of characters we get on message boards. There have been plenty of members here who came in and were just imbeciles but over the course of time most of them changed. Hopefully one day B.H will grow up and learn how to respect his elders and others in general.

However.. it doesn't matter what anyone says about Chad, numbskulls like B.H will blantantly disregard fact,stats and opinions of others. So really it's useless trying to conversate with him about simple topics like this because you'll get ignorant responses and about 2 pages of material to give you a migrane.

B.H learn to talk to people and converse accordingly. Friendly jawing is fine but we don't want personal attacks or anything other type's digs to be posted about another member.

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Posted 21 July 2007 - 09:13 PM

QUOTE (Leon#29 @ Jul 21 2007, 08:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I see that Dubb. It is what it is, I guess! Understand your point. For instance I don't think that Barrett will make the team--salary+ lost a step, I see and read on the Barrett topic that you still feel he is a quality player. I respect your opinion, eventhough I don't agree, but if he makes the team I'm rooting for him 100%!! That goes for all the players, the Jets are my passion good bad or indifferent!!

Exactly... isn't kind of funny how some fairweather fans would rather have teams and orgs like the Lions or Browns and have exciting,thilling T.D passes and never even have a chance to make the playoffs. Over team who gives the fans hope that their is a chance we could win a superbowl? Doesn't that just amaze you?

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Posted 22 July 2007 - 01:59 AM

QUOTE (Leon#29 @ Jul 21 2007, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Listen, lets not talk about intellect! That injury I know couldn't have made you happy! It happened in preseason of 2003, the year after Pennington came in for Vinny when MY team was 1-3 (I believe) and had an incredible season! Beat Manning and the Colts 41-0 in the playoffs and had the Jets tied 10-10 against Oakland the following week at half until the entire team Chad included folded up! Go root for the Lions! I'm not on this board to get into debates! I'm on to talk about my team unbiasedly and to respect everyone.


u kiddin???? everytime pennington has gotten hurt me and my cousin celebrate. its one of the best days of the year!! Seriously when i saw him go out of the game and they said it was serious i jumped up n down.

and to Jetsfan115. I enjoyed the 4-12 season without Pennington MORE than any season of watching Pennington play. And i was one of the only guys ACTUALLY ROOTING FOR THE JETS TO WIN. instead of being a lil biach and hoping they lose just so we could get a higher draft pick.

Now u wanna talk about true fan, i only hate pennington cus he sux and hes on my team and i want my team to WIN, not be a pretty good team, ACTUALLY WIN, dont give me pennington in and outta game stats either, cus ill give u his playoff stats which are real good......NOT. They are as great as his preformance, he did absolutely TERRIBLE against the steelers too on top of it. See all the time i want my team to WIN, and I know that cant happen with Pennington in at startin qb. Do the Jets have a better qb currently on the roster? if they dont thats just sad but you'll never know until u give Clemens a chance and the longer u keep penny in your just delaying the inevitable of him leaving without ANY type of championship.

So while everyone on here was saying lose lose so we can get reggie or whoeva they wanted i was actually rooting for my team to win. So its YOU GUYS who are questionable fans NOT ME. I Hate a player who hurts my team and prevents them from winning it all, I dont root for the entire team to lose so i can pick up ONE player.

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