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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
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Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Posted 02 August 2005 - 08:48 PM

I just have one question, when is the proper time to start weight lifting? EllisJersy said after my growth spurt, which is reasonable, but I just want to see if I can start early.
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 09:04 AM

I would say it's never too early to start exercising. But I wouldn't get too deep into it. Do simple things. I would start with machines. Definitely do not go straight to free weights. Get your form down and build the primary muscles. Once you've done that, you can focus on free weights and stabilizer muscles and all of the different muscle fibers.
Just my thoughts, I'd ask a bunch of people though.
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 09:38 AM

start liftin wen u turn 13 cuz dats wen ur muscles start to grow. U can work wit free weights but jus do a small weight u can control an do a number of reps to get ur feel an form down den from there work ur way up.
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 02:07 PM

i wouldnt say there is a set gae because everybody is different. Once you hit a major growth spurt is the good time to start getting more serious. If you want to start lifting now though, id say do light lifting, with alot of reps.
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 06:34 PM

Lets see i dtarted lifting before i got my big growth spurt in freshman year, and I a was 5'0" 95 lbs receiver . Then two-a-days started, still hadn't hit my spurt and i started lifting, didnt notice anything except for i got faster, I was still getting laid out on mid slants, lol. All of a sudden I got stronger before i grew any weight or height, I.E. squatted 145 then pyramided up to 230 in 3 months. Now, two HS football seasons and one narrowly missed hernia later, I'm 5'6" 165lbs and I'm second string Varsity my junior year.

I dont recommend starting as early as i did, seeing as i almost got a hernia, but see if you can start lifting before your major growth spurt, maybe like a growth of 5-10 lbs and maybe half an inch.

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Posted 03 August 2005 - 10:53 PM

there are a bunch of freshmen who come to my schools weight room and lift all year round, and it doesnt do shit. when you hit your growth spurt and are going through puberty, its like you are juicing but naturally. you have a ton of testosterone in your body, and when you get older, the levels go down. that's why athletes inject testosterone and human growth hormones. from what ive seen, if you dont wait until your growth spurt, then its wasted time.

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QUOTE (ellisjersey92 @ Aug 3 2005, 11:28 PM)
there are a bunch of freshmen who come to my schools weight room and lift all year round, and it doesnt do shit. when you hit your growth spurt and are going through puberty, its like you are juicing but naturally. you have a ton of testosterone in your body, and when you get older, the levels go down. that's why athletes inject testosterone and human growth hormones. from what ive seen, if you dont wait until your growth spurt, then its wasted time.



I wuz a freshman last year an the liftin helped 4 me. I got so much bigger. I gained like 40 pounds of muscle. But i started liftin in december all da way till yesterday wen they liftin jus ended cuz da seasons about ta start 4 footbal 4 us.
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Posted 04 August 2005 - 12:27 PM

i just siad freshmen because im not in the middle school and i dont see any younger kids. my point was that these kids havent hit puberty yet and hit their growth spurt. you may have and thats why lifting weights worked for you

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 01:11 PM

QUOTE (ellisjersey92 @ Aug 4 2005, 01:02 PM)
i just siad freshmen because im not in the middle school and i dont see any younger kids. my point was that these kids havent hit puberty yet and hit their growth spurt. you may have and thats why lifting weights worked for you


Wait I was lifting right before puberty my freshman year and i got stronger faster in no amount of time, before i gained weight.

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 02:18 PM

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Wait I was lifting right before puberty my freshman year and i got stronger faster in no amount of time, before i gained weight.


ok....this is my little "synopsis" (dont know if thats the right word lol)

everyone has muscle, from the time you're in your mother's stomach. when you are a baby, you probably cant pick up say, a dictionary or another heavy object. when you're 4 you can probably pick up that dictionary. that means that you have gotten stronger and gained muscle. you didnt hit puberty yet, but you got stronger.

im not doubting u ewok, but ive seen tons of kids that lift before they should and its all a waste of time because they get virtually no results. im not saying nothing can happen, because you are gaining muscle and getting stronger from the day you're born, but the thing is that its some kind of scientific fact that your body produces a ton of testosterone when you hit puberty, and that is the time to be lifting and gaining muscle. there are also rumors that it stunts your growth. ive heard that it's true, and ive heard that it's an excuse for people that are too lazy to lift. i dont know which one is true, but IMO its a good idea to start lifting after you have done most of the growing you will be doing in your life, and while you are juicing............................. NATURALLY!!!

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 07:28 PM

Obviously I'm through the stage.

But, I kid you not, I got stronger and faster because of lifting and not because of naturaly growth.if i hadn't lifted weights i'd probably wqould be as skinny as i was then because i started at a good time.

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QUOTE (ellisjersey92 @ Aug 4 2005, 02:53 PM)
ok....this is my little "synopsis" (dont know if thats the right word lol)

everyone has muscle, from the time you're in your mother's stomach. when you are a baby, you probably cant pick up say, a dictionary or another heavy object. when you're 4 you can probably pick up that dictionary. that means that you have gotten stronger and gained muscle. you didnt hit puberty yet, but you got stronger.

im not doubting u ewok, but ive seen tons of kids that lift before they should and its all a waste of time because they get virtually no results. im not saying nothing can happen, because you are gaining muscle and getting stronger from the day you're born, but the thing is that its some kind of scientific fact that your body produces a ton of testosterone when you hit puberty, and that is the time to be lifting and gaining muscle. there are also rumors that it stunts your growth. ive heard that it's true, and ive heard that it's an excuse for people that are too lazy to lift. i dont know which one is true, but IMO its a good idea to start lifting after you have done most of the growing you will be doing in your life, and while you are juicing............................. NATURALLY!!!




Ur rite about the stunting growth. Ive heard of guys that are lik 5 foot 4 an hav muscle.
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Posted 05 August 2005 - 09:57 AM

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Well that would be a tercerary source

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Posted 05 August 2005 - 10:31 AM

Take it from me don't start working out untill your mostly done growing. You will stunt your growth. If you wanna weight train at all use very light weight and lot's of rep's but do not lift to max or try to bulk up when your young. You will pay for it later.
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Posted 05 August 2005 - 12:00 PM

I agree, finally someone gets what im saying

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Posted 06 August 2005 - 11:15 PM

QUOTE (Vilma51Coles87 @ Aug 3 2005, 11:13 AM)
start liftin wen u turn 13 cuz dats wen ur muscles start to grow.  U can work wit free weights  but jus do a small weight u can control an do a number of reps to get ur feel an form down den from there work ur way up.


Please dont spread falseness like this. 13 is not when your muscles start to grow... when you hit puberty it is true that much more chemicals get released, such as testosterone... which is the basis of steroids... it gets complex, but to keep it simple, your muscles dont really start to grow at 13, they change...

it is easier for younger people (compared to older people) to lengthen their muscles and tendons which is how you get bigger... however there can very easily be overworking

I STRESS THAT YOU CAN DO PERMANENT DAMAGE

the main problem with stunting your growth and such is you still have growth plates up until you are in your mid 20's... certain loading such as squatting and if you even have slightly poor technique you can close or alter how effective these growth plates are...

if you really wanna be benching 350 or whatever at the age of 15 knock yourself out... the ramifications could be much worse in the long run, but thats something you should try to figure out for yourself i suppose

it is a complex issue but the textbook time to add muscle to your body is after you are done growing which will be in your 20's until your 30's and everything from then on is mostly muscle maintenance, it becomes more and more difficult to make your muscles any bigger after 30 or so... but by then your tendons (which is what connects the muscle to the bone) are almost unbreakable, stronger than steel... so as you age you can say you are the "man of steel" for more than one reason

i gotta go sleep, but any more questions, just lemme know, i hope anything i have said here has helped someone in any way... have a great day ya'll
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Posted 14 August 2005 - 09:27 PM

Well I recently started working out a lot more seriously but last year, when I was 15, I started working with free weights, light weights though 5lb. I didn't wanna rush into anything so I just did 5lb's and abs. Then I moved on to 10lb in a few months. This summer I started using 16 and 20lb weights, doing a lot of calisthenics, more abs, etc. I work out 4 times a week, with wednesday and weekends off. I would highly reccomend doing something of what I did. Starting at 13 with light weights is a smart thing to do. As other people have said, dont rush into things and in weight lifting less is more. Over exercising is a bad thing ofcourse. Your muscles grow when they rest so don't do the same body part two days in a row (with weights, you can do calisthenics 6x a week.)

By the way, I am 5-6, and very light, under 120lb.
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Posted 14 August 2005 - 09:32 PM

Is it true when you start lifting you stop growing? Because i am 5'10 and 13. I'm like 135 and i do lift . But i dont want to get serious if its gonna stunt my growth.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:20 AM

QUOTE (JetsRock1991 @ Aug 14 2005, 10:07 PM)
Is it true when you start lifting you stop growing? Because i am 5'10 and 13. I'm like 135 and i do lift . But i dont want to get serious if its gonna stunt my growth.

I heard squat could stunt your growth but I doubt bench, clean and deadlift would.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 12:21 AM

Well deadlift may, squat does, bench doesn't. I've heard pullups can actually increase growth/aid it. I wonder how true that is.
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