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ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:36 PM) If someone calls me an idiot or moron or stupid over a football debate it doesn't bother me in the slightest. But when you make things personal like with racist things or family crap its a whole different level
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:36 PM) I felt my FLiHi remark was as "harmless" as you did calling another person a Moron and stupid because they didn't agree with your opinion
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:38 PM) my friends and I call each other morons and stupid an laugh at each other when we do something stupid like when we are drinking. It means nothing. and we laugh about it because its harmless. I'm trying to tell you this is a big difference between what you say to people and what others do.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:40 PM) Heck 115 rags me a lot and it doesnt bother me in the least. i rag him too. Same with GG2003 and SHJ. There is a difference between friendly banter and disagreements and crossing the line
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:44 PM) So your opinion of the line is right and my opinion is wrong? Is that what your saying? I don't know you. I'm not a drinking buddy of yours. Maybe you should learn some social tact.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) you felt it was harmless but you were the only one. Everyone else understood why I got was extremely offended about it the first time because you cross the line with what you say to people. Apparently you realized it enough to send me a long pm apologizing and having communication problems that get you in trouble sometimes. But now you cant understand the difference?
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:48 PM) I understand why. What I'm saying is if you take a jab people will jab back. Have you heard that saying " dont throw rocks when you live in a glass house?"
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:49 PM) The way you understand things if I call you an idiot about not wanting to trade for a high end qb its no different from me disrespecting your family. Thats what Im getting from you. So the way you see things everything is equally personal
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:50 PM) From complete strangers on an Internet forum? Yes. Man up
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:51 PM) Nod the debate was if he is a "high end" player. I thought he was well above average but not worth a 6th overall pick
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:55 PM) Not worth my time to even acknowledge anymore. Just going to ignore you like I do Mr. Jet. You have a lot of mental growing up to do.
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:57 PM) That's funny coming from a guy who went butt f*** crazy a couple hours ago
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:57 PM) Meanwhile you can't seem to respect that others opinions are different than yours
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:59 PM) You are emotionally weak. You went through some serious shit growing up and you can't adjust. You take it out on your keyboard.
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 09:00 PM) When someone challenges your immaturity you have a complete crazy freak out and act like a girl on her first period
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 09:00 PM) Hence the "go wipe your pussy and man up comment
Mr_Jet Icon : (15 April 2015 - 10:16 PM) Please Rob, leave my name out of your little bitchfest.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 11:46 PM) My bad. You have been respecting my request to you I had a while backI made to you by us not commenting to each other to keep peace between us. I was totally in the wrong for bringing your name up at all and into an argument with member that has issues. I got furious furious with a child. I should've just ignored him like I do the other immature kids on some game forums and sites I belong to. Wont happen again. My apologies for bringing your name into it Mr. Jet.
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 07:04 AM) Dude.... Get back on your meds.
blk_orion Icon : (Yesterday, 07:47 AM) WTF? Really???
blk_orion Icon : (Yesterday, 07:48 AM) Now back to our regular scheduled program......
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:08 AM) Lol that escalated quickly
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azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 10:26 AM) He said he is going to try and kick the Shit out of the Jets
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azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 10:26 AM) I still like the guy. He's entertaining
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:25 PM) i miss rex. love his demeanor
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Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 09:56 PM) I'm excited for the new coaching staff
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 09:56 PM) Rex wsa fun, but he was too much with the defense instead of the entire football team
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 09:57 PM) also he didn't always hold players accountable. I think Bowles will make the team more disciplined.
santana Icon : (Today, 02:50 AM) I don't have any faith in bowles
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 08:15 AM) “San Diego Chargers will ultimately make a deal with the Tennessee Titans for the number two overall pick. As part of that trade, the Chargers will send the number 17 overall pick and Philip Rivers, just as a start, for the number two pick.”
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 08:15 AM) Damn... Who called it? This guy.
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 08:16 AM) http://national.sunt...s-mariota-trade
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 10:13 AM) So we would now lose out on maroita and rivers
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Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 01:39 PM) do we make a trade for AP?
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Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 03:38 PM) So a top ten qb and the 17th pick for the 2nd overall as a start? Makes sense
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Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 04:08 PM) only 2 more weeks before we find out. draft day will be exciting
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What Tomlin Did That Mangini Didn't

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Post icon  Posted 18 October 2007 - 07:36 PM

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t's a start that coaches greet with cautious optimism, and praise for Tomlin's lack of action. Many coaches take head coaching jobs and install familiar schemes, fire coaches they view as a threat to their vision, and reshape rosters with their own brand of players. Instead, Tomlin tried a more patient approach. One season removed from a Super Bowl win, he stayed true to the scheme by retaining several key components of the coaching staff. The centerpiece was LeBeau, who is widely considered one of the NFL's best defensive minds and who has spent nearly as many years coaching in the NFL (34) as Tomlin has spent on planet Earth (35)

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 07:50 PM

If Mangini was the HC of the Steelers he'd probably have kept LeBeau too.
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 07:56 PM

QUOTE (theanalogkid @ Oct 18 2007, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If Mangini was the HC of the Steelers he'd probably have kept LeBeau too.


Yea I don't think the question is whether to keep Lebeau because he's the best DC in the game. However Mangini did this team an injustice by getting rid of certain players. Sowell, Mawae and Kendall so not only does this statement reflect coaches it does the same for players as well.
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 08:02 PM

Getting rid of Mawae was no big deal considering the transition to Mangold was seamless. Both he and Sowell were both heavily involved with the union and would be giving Mangini a hard time trying to get this team in shape. Beisdes both were over 30 and both are likely to retire within a season or two.
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 08:15 PM

Key word they were one season removed from the SUPERBOWL! That means they had a more set team and arent looking to rebuild but more to sustain success. Mangini came to a team that went 4-12 and a year removed from divison game. And plus we had a lot of player released. I dont blame Mangini for wanting to go to the 3-4, it takes time to learn this defense, so I rather do it now and have success later when we have the talent then wait till we have the talent and then have to learn the defense and schemes then have to wait till the teams knows the system. Plus it doesnt hurt being crappy right now with the pats seeming like the best team ever. So atleast we are down when we really dont have a shot anyway..
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 09:19 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Oct 18 2007, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Key word they were one season removed from the SUPERBOWL! That means they had a more set team and arent looking to rebuild but more to sustain success. Mangini came to a team that went 4-12 and a year removed from divison game. And plus we had a lot of player released. I dont blame Mangini for wanting to go to the 3-4, it takes time to learn this defense, so I rather do it now and have success later when we have the talent then wait till we have the talent and then have to learn the defense and schemes then have to wait till the teams knows the system. Plus it doesnt hurt being crappy right now with the pats seeming like the best team ever. So atleast we are down when we really dont have a shot anyway..


Really hit the nail on the head there.
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Posted 19 October 2007 - 11:47 AM

Tomlin is overrated. He is the next Herman Edwards dont buy into that crap guys
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Posted 19 October 2007 - 12:37 PM

QUOTE (Vilma#51 @ Oct 19 2007, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Tomlin is overrated. He is the next Herman Edwards dont buy into that crap guys


And what makes you think that? He has had the Steelers playing well this year, something Cowher struggled at times to do last year. Cowher wasn't helped with Big Ben's preseason exploits but then again, he was healthy come a couple of weeks into the season.
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Posted 19 October 2007 - 01:34 PM

QUOTE (Smedsthejet @ Oct 19 2007, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And what makes you think that? He has had the Steelers playing well this year, something Cowher struggled at times to do last year. Cowher wasn't helped with Big Ben's preseason exploits but then again, he was healthy come a couple of weeks into the season.




Cowher won a superbowl. These are Cowher's players not Tomlin. When Herman Edwards came here he took over Parcells players for those many years he took us to the playoffs. Herman never finished better than 10-6 in his carrer. He Struggles to make the playoffs every year one way or the other.


Untill this is Tomlin's team he is overrated and not worth my time to talk about
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Posted 19 October 2007 - 01:36 PM

QUOTE (Vilma#51 @ Oct 19 2007, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Tomlin is overrated. He is the next Herman Edwards dont buy into that crap guys


Ok, I'll believe you instead
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Posted 19 October 2007 - 01:51 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Oct 18 2007, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Key word they were one season removed from the SUPERBOWL! That means they had a more set team and arent looking to rebuild but more to sustain success. Mangini came to a team that went 4-12 and a year removed from divison game. And plus we had a lot of player released. I dont blame Mangini for wanting to go to the 3-4, it takes time to learn this defense, so I rather do it now and have success later when we have the talent then wait till we have the talent and then have to learn the defense and schemes then have to wait till the teams knows the system. Plus it doesnt hurt being crappy right now with the pats seeming like the best team ever. So atleast we are down when we really dont have a shot anyway..


I didn't blame last Mangini for installing the 3-4... With teams transitioning to the two-headed running attack and putting more emphasis on the ground game, I think it's a good call.

I still don't blame him 100% for not getting all of the personnel, because it's a big transition. He got a good MLB in David Harris and a good 3-4 end in Kenyon Coleman.

However, the biggest and most obvious weakness is a lack of NT. Mangini insists this undersized, explosive NT idea is effective... meanwhile D-rob gets raped all game long. The Jets could also use another good pass rusher (Terrell Suggs??), but if Mangini doesn't do anything about the NT problem in the offseason, THEN I will blame him.
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Posted 19 October 2007 - 02:00 PM

Mangini is a better coach than Tomlin bottom line. Dont let Cowher's team fool you guys. Tomlin is doing a nice job being a player's coach which Herman was. When you players that are used to the system you can't break them when its working for you.



Before the Jets got rid of Herman the Cover 2 bullshit was not working for the Jets. Pittsburg's 3-4 was one of the reasons they have not aloud a rusher over 100 yards for 35 or 50 straight games. You dont get ride of something that works for the team.


The Jets had many reasons to get rid of the Cover 2 Defense because it was not working.
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Posted 19 October 2007 - 04:26 PM

QUOTE (Vilma#51 @ Oct 19 2007, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mangini is a better coach than Tomlin bottom line. Dont let Cowher's team fool you guys. Tomlin is doing a nice job being a player's coach which Herman was. When you players that are used to the system you can't break them when its working for you.
Before the Jets got rid of Herman the Cover 2 bullshit was not working for the Jets. Pittsburg's 3-4 was one of the reasons they have not aloud a rusher over 100 yards for 35 or 50 straight games. You dont get ride of something that works for the team.
The Jets had many reasons to get rid of the Cover 2 Defense because it was not working.


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Posted 19 October 2007 - 05:05 PM

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Oct 19 2007, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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WTF.gif we both can do that
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Posted 19 October 2007 - 11:16 PM

QUOTE (Vilma#51 @ Oct 19 2007, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
WTF.gif we both can do that

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Posted 19 October 2007 - 11:41 PM

QUOTE (Vilma#51 @ Oct 19 2007, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mangini is a better coach than Tomlin bottom line. Dont let Cowher's team fool you guys. Tomlin is doing a nice job being a player's coach which Herman was. When you players that are used to the system you can't break them when its working for you.



Before the Jets got rid of Herman the Cover 2 bullshit was not working for the Jets. Pittsburg's 3-4 was one of the reasons they have not aloud a rusher over 100 yards for 35 or 50 straight games. You dont get ride of something that works for the team.


The Jets had many reasons to get rid of the Cover 2 Defense because it was not working.




what are you talking about??? In 2004 we finished 7th in total defense and 2005 we still finished 12th despite injuries and an offense who couldnt keep the defense off the fuking field..I'd say it was working just fine



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Posted 20 October 2007 - 12:48 AM

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what are you talking about??? In 2004 we finished 7th in total defense and 2005 we still finished 12th despite injuries and an offense who couldnt keep the defense off the fuking field..I'd say it was working just fine






So you are going to base your thoughts on one year against shitty teams we played in 05? Even USF could stop those offenses we played in 05. and again thats only one year that worked out. Pittsburg had the same defense forever man
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Posted 20 October 2007 - 01:00 AM

i read nfl.com in the "The 10 storylines to watch for in Week 7" by pat kirwan that the steelers have not let up a 100 yard rusher since 2005, i think that just about says everything about the difference between pittsburgh and nyj
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Posted 20 October 2007 - 01:05 AM

QUOTE (ozjet51 @ Oct 20 2007, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i read nfl.com in the "The 10 storylines to watch for in Week 7" by pat kirwan that the steelers have not let up a 100 yard rusher since 2005, i think that just about says everything about the difference between pittsburgh and nyj




Thank you!


Again you dont give up whats working for you. Tomlin is working with his players like Herman tryed to do when he got here. It took him awhile to change this defense into a cover 2. You can't base one year of being ranked #7 the cover 2 being a better defense than the 3-4. There was a reason why we changed our defense and personal because it was NOT CLEARY WORKING. we were last against the run and top rank passing defense because we were getting runed over for 150 yards a game.
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Posted 20 October 2007 - 01:20 AM

QUOTE (Vilma#51 @ Oct 20 2007, 01:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So you are going to base your thoughts on one year against shitty teams we played in 05? Even USF could stop those offenses we played in 05. and again thats only one year that worked out. Pittsburg had the same defense forever man


i didnt know the 2004 and 2005 seasons constitued as 1 year...I see your point with the steelers Defense but saying the Cover-2 wasnt working is wrong and Donnie Henderson did a Helluva job turning this defense around he shouldnt of been let go for Sutton's sorry ass



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