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MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) good
MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) Best day of the week is the day after a Jets Win!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
santana Icon : (19 September 2016 - 08:08 AM) Thanks professor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (23 September 2016 - 03:55 PM) updated roster. FB howsare released, TE bowman added to roster
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 01:08 PM

I have a close friend who works in the Media and he tell me from what he sees and hears from most is that Clemens will lose the starting job to Chad. He said that he would be shocked if Chad wasnt starting when all is said and done. these are the reasons:
He" just doesnt have the pocket presence".
Too much happy feet.
Takes too long to get rid of the ball and is very indecisive.

Dont kill the mesenger all you Clemens boosters.

Just thought I would pass this along.
May the slamming begin.
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 01:27 PM

No messanger killing here, brwct8. biggrin.gif
Quite frankly Clemens will probably look like garbage and get the starting job from Pennington come the middle of the season, and then Jets fans will say how much they want Pennington back. He was an overrated pic.
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 02:05 PM

As all of these media guys have been saying Chad and Clemens played neck and neck in OTA's. If Clemens is where Chad is at OTA's then I'm content. However it's too hard to judge a Q.B without a pass rush and without pads on. Real 7 on 7 and reall 11-11 drills is what I'll be waiting for.

Clemens has too much ability. The scramble and arm strength are all added plus's.

All of the problems stated was an assessment of Clemens last year. Lets not make a final judgment until training camp.
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 03:41 PM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ Jun 25 2008, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As all of these media guys have been saying Chad and Clemens played neck and neck in OTA's. If Clemens is where Chad is at OTA's then I'm content. However it's too hard to judge a Q.B without a pass rush and without pads on. Real 7 on 7 and reall 11-11 drills is what I'll be waiting for.

Clemens has too much ability. The scramble and arm strength are all added plus's.

All of the problems stated was an assessment of Clemens last year. Lets not make a final judgment until training camp.


He has too much ability, and his arm strength is an 'added' plus? Thats all he has is arm strength.
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 04:55 PM

QUOTE (Jetsman05 @ Jun 25 2008, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He has too much ability, and his arm strength is an 'added' plus? Thats all he has is arm strength.


*sigh*

I guess his elusiveness and scramble ability to make plays on run which he did a lot last year aren't abilities in your book.
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 05:46 PM

I have a hard time believing that one member of the media has information that seems to have eluded every beat writer out there. When I read 5 articles saying Chad and Clemens showcased equal abilities in OTAs, I believe them. I'm not calling you a liar, but if your buddy is a member of the media and has information that has never been published, why wouldn't he write about it? Not saying no one has ever criticized Clemens pocket presence, but if it was that much of a problem in mini-camp, why haven't articles been written about it?
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 06:52 PM

QUOTE (VaNDelaYInDusTrIEs @ Jun 25 2008, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have a hard time believing that one member of the media has information that seems to have eluded every beat writer out there. When I read 5 articles saying Chad and Clemens showcased equal abilities in OTAs, I believe them. I'm not calling you a liar, but if your buddy is a member of the media and has information that has never been published, why wouldn't he write about it? Not saying no one has ever criticized Clemens pocket presence, but if it was that much of a problem in mini-camp, why haven't articles been written about it?



Vandelay... you must not be a conspiracy theorist... that is a very level headed realist perspective. I tend to agree with you on these points. But I gotta say I'm sick of this Clemens has no presense non-sense. Of course he doesnt he hasn't played!!! Peyton Manning got pwned his first few years, but then he settled in. There are countless other examples. Yes some guys naturally have it, but it CAN be learned. The main thing you have to consider with the Chad vs Kellen debate is this: the short-sighted, win-now, solution is Chad; the forward-thinking, (smarter in my opinion) risk-losing-this-year solution is Kellen. I don't think they Jets are trying to ONLY win-now. They want to win now, later, and always. So look for Clemens to win this job.
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 07:54 PM

I don't necessarily subscribe to the idea that Chad is the win-now choice. He was awful last year, AWFUL. Clemens was the better QB in the games he played. Not the better prospect, the better QB. Maybe Chad is a guy that needs a good offensive line to succeed, but it was truly painful watching him play last year. I hope the best guy wins and dear god i hope that guy is kellen...
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 09:14 PM

QUOTE (ManginiIsMyFather @ Jun 25 2008, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Vandelay... you must not be a conspiracy theorist... that is a very level headed realist perspective. I tend to agree with you on these points. But I gotta say I'm sick of this Clemens has no presense non-sense. Of course he doesnt he hasn't played!!! Peyton Manning got pwned his first few years, but then he settled in. There are countless other examples. Yes some guys naturally have it, but it CAN be learned. The main thing you have to consider with the Chad vs Kellen debate is this: the short-sighted, win-now, solution is Chad; the forward-thinking, (smarter in my opinion) risk-losing-this-year solution is Kellen. I don't think they Jets are trying to ONLY win-now. They want to win now, later, and always. So look for Clemens to win this job.

I think that there is a real chance that the 2009 starter is not currently on the team. I know it sucks as all other pieces seem to be in place except #2 CB. We just have been so unlucky on getting the right guy in the draft. We just missed out on Favre and the decision of Peyton Manning not to come out and be #1 overall by us and then go the next year to a team in our division. Why can't the jets get a guy like Brady. Lets all hope that Clemens does pan out because as much as I like Chad, he will Never lead us beyond wild card status.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 08:16 AM

QUOTE (VaNDelaYInDusTrIEs @ Jun 25 2008, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have a hard time believing that one member of the media has information that seems to have eluded every beat writer out there. When I read 5 articles saying Chad and Clemens showcased equal abilities in OTAs, I believe them. I'm not calling you a liar, but if your buddy is a member of the media and has information that has never been published, why wouldn't he write about it? Not saying no one has ever criticized Clemens pocket presence, but if it was that much of a problem in mini-camp, why haven't articles been written about it?


I never said he was a writer. He could work for SNY or MSG maybe... Everyone will believe what they want to.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 09:00 AM

QUOTE (brwct8 @ Jun 26 2008, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I never said he was a writer. He could work for SNY or MSG maybe... Everyone will believe what they want to.


Why not reveal who it is then?
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 09:07 AM

Those reasons are well known about Clemens, those were his problems the last 2 years with the Jets. But Clemens also brings more to the game that Chad does, I really don't believe Chad can bring us to a SB ever. Chad can not beat a top tier defense, it is well proven, when ever we play a top tier defense we always had struggled even moving the ball with Chad. At least with Clemens we were able to move the ball and he gave us a chance to win.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 11:56 AM

QUOTE (brwct8 @ Jun 26 2008, 09:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I never said he was a writer. He could work for SNY or MSG maybe... Everyone will believe what they want to.


Ok. Let me be the wisea$s in all this and ask if the "media" guy is a paperboy? That would still be considered a media person as they could also be considered media personnel.

Seriously though. This person is complaining that Clemens has no pocket presence? Who would have any pocket presence when they're not used used to even having a pocket around them? If the O-line made a pocket last year, then it had one hell of a hole at the bottom of it because defenders were just walking through it last year as if it were made of thin air.

Maybe I'm wearing green colored sunglasses or something because everything I've read is in direct contradiction to this media person's statement. If he works behind the scenes at SNY or MSG, then maybe there's a reason why he's the guy that goes to get the real sportscasters coffee or something because he obviously doesnt know what he's talking about when it comes to football "abilities".

Clemens definitely has flaws, but if he's on par with Pennington with everything in the OTA's then how can it be said that Chad is automatically going to win the starting job? Because the media person sees all of the signings to bolster the O-line & running game which in turn will set up play action for Chad? I guess they're counting on the corners & everyone to be playing to the inside & closer to the line so they can't come from behind the receivers to intercept those rainbows?
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 12:10 PM

Peyton and Eli both STILL have happy feet, and get it done. It's not ideal but it's not a kiss of death either.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 12:17 PM

QUOTE (FlyHiJets @ Jun 26 2008, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok. Let me be the wisea$s in all this and ask if the "media" guy is a paperboy? That would still be considered a media person as they could also be considered media personnel.

Seriously though. This person is complaining that Clemens has no pocket presence? Who would have any pocket presence when they're not used used to even having a pocket around them? If the O-line made a pocket last year, then it had one hell of a hole at the bottom of it because defenders were just walking through it last year as if it were made of thin air.

Maybe I'm wearing green colored sunglasses or something because everything I've read is in direct contradiction to this media person's statement. If he works behind the scenes at SNY or MSG, then maybe there's a reason why he's the guy that goes to get the real sportscasters coffee or something because he obviously doesnt know what he's talking about when it comes to football "abilities".

Clemens definitely has flaws, but if he's on par with Pennington with everything in the OTA's then how can it be said that Chad is automatically going to win the starting job? Because the media person sees all of the signings to bolster the O-line & running game which in turn will set up play action for Chad? I guess they're counting on the corners & everyone to be playing to the inside & closer to the line so they can't come from behind the receivers to intercept those rainbows?


Is this forum not capable of actually having an arguement without throwing shots at someone? Everything you say is completely dulled by calling this guy out and saying that his friend who happens to be part of the media is an 'idiot'.

From S-Dubb to you, from the top to the bottom. This forum has problems with it. Argue your case don't start throwing low blows at people, its getting old.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 12:27 PM

QUOTE (Jetsman05 @ Jun 26 2008, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is this forum not capable of actually having an arguement without throwing shots at someone? Everything you say is completely dulled by calling this guy out and saying that his friend who happens to be part of the media is an 'idiot'.

From S-Dubb to you, from the top to the bottom. This forum has problems with it. Argue your case don't start throwing low blows at people, its getting old.


Ok 05............do me a favor & PLEASE tell me where I took a personal shot at brw?

I didn't take a shot at anyone other than the media source. So.....please (and I'm being very polite here), follow your own advise & make an intelligent post without having to throw shots by accusing people of doing the same. Also......where did I call the guy an idiot? I just said he's more likely to be the guy that runs to get coffee than he is to be an actual sports analyst.

Your post is entirely contradictory to itself when you go back & actually read my original post & yours isn't it?

And btw.......this isn't a shot at you personally because I don't know you from Adam, but if you don't like this forum or the people from the top to the bottom, then get the hell out & go to some ragtag second rate Jets board. One of the great qualities of this site is that everyone CAN actually post their opinion without having to worry about retribution from mods, etc so long as the responses are kept clean & so long as there are no personal attacks.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 12:33 PM

Well heres a solution. Considering this is a message and there isn't no serious personal attacks... who cares!!!

Who wants it to all warm and fuzzy in here all the time? .. not me. Friendly jawing every now and then is what gives forums character. People have to learn to relax and stop getting emotional. The guy who made this thread knew he was going to recieve some bantering as would I if I posted something about "my source" having "inside information".

Just read peoples post for what they are. If it's a 300 word post and out of those 300 words theirs an "idiot" in there, don't worry. This is a forum from football not the powderpuff girls. Learn to take things in stride.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 12:50 PM

I don't want everything to be sobby in here but its getting to the point where half of the posts when someone disagrees has to toss in the "dumbass" or "idiot" terms. If you ask me you lose all credibility to argue any point if you have to use something like that. You have nothing in counter to their arguements. Which is the truth the past 30 times I've seen people calling names and shit.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 02:42 PM

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Posted 26 June 2008 - 03:45 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jun 26 2008, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really don't believe Chad can bring us to a SB ever. Chad can not beat a top tier defense, it is well proven, when ever we play a top tier defense we always had struggled even moving the ball with Chad.


WHEN and WHERE is it proven that Chad cannot beat a top tier defense, and can somebody please show me the proof? Because I sure hope you are not talking about 2007, in which both QB's sucked, and Joe Namath and Joe Montana and anybody else would've sucked too because you can't win when three out your five offensive lineman are non-functional.

If 2006 is what you are talking about, then it is true that the Jets won five of their last six games against mediocre teams to march into the playoff. But consider this: Chad had Kevan somebody behind him for a runner, and his line consisted of the same crew as 2007 only with the addition of Pete Kendall. Kendall is a good-but-not-great lineman, and if the only difference in the 2006 OL and the 2007 OL is Kendall, then just how great could the 2006 line actually be?

Ever think of that?

Probably not.

Chad lifted the 2006 team into the playoffs, despite his arm not being fully healed yet, by sheer force of talent, leadership and intelligence. He most always made the right play when it mattered, and the Jets stole several games that they probably should have lost.

What the hell has Kellen proven, other than when the team is in total collapse, he can arguably look a bit better than Chad can when the team is in total collapse? You're going to hand the future of the team over to a guy on the basis of that?

Kellen should get the job when he shows he deserves it. And not one game before.
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