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ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
MikeGangGree... Icon : (24 April 2015 - 09:40 PM) TEH RANGERS
santana Icon : (24 April 2015 - 11:32 PM) TEH WIZ
Jetsman05 Icon : (Today, 06:57 AM) Teh Suarez
Jetsman05 Icon : (Today, 06:58 AM) Vic Beasley is all speed. No moves, no power. Straight up the field. Could have some big games, then nothing in the next
Jetsman05 Icon : (Today, 06:59 AM) If we don't get Mariota, we should be looking at Schreff or trading down, IMO.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Today, 06:59 AM) A lot of good edge rushers in this draft... I wouldn't want to take Dupree that high.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Today, 07:00 AM) Until next time fellas!
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 01:19 PM) Helloooooooooo
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 01:19 PM) Bueller
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 01:33 PM) Manish says the Jets should trade down and draft Andrus Peat round 1
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 04:39 PM) Even an idiot can say something that's right every now and then
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Posted 07 July 2008 - 12:21 PM

QUOTE (Amen @ Jul 7 2008, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd like to bold and highlight another consistency.


Because Chad has control over the play call!!
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Posted 07 July 2008 - 12:29 PM

But he can take responsibility for his lack of accuracy and inability to remedy the type of passes that were consistently picked off! It's crazy, Jetsman. I know you like Chad, but can you not see it? Is that type of play really justifiable?

It's not about Clemens right now. So don't look at this as a Clemens supporter swaying the facts with horse-blinders on. But how many times can a QB make the same mistake in one season before you finally admit that he just might not be as good as he used to be? We all hated Testaverde after his interceptions became predictable! Dubb posted three specific games, times, and scenarios where Chad did the same thing to the same result, and you want to believe he's still good enough?
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Posted 07 July 2008 - 12:34 PM

QUOTE (Amen @ Jul 7 2008, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But he can take responsibility for his lack of accuracy and inability to remedy the type of passes that were consistently picked off! It's crazy, Jetsman. I know you like Chad, but can you not see it? Is that type of play really justifiable?

It's not about Clemens right now. So don't look at this as a Clemens supporter swaying the facts with horse-blinders on. But how many times can a QB make the same mistake in one season before you finally admit that he just might not be as good as he used to be? We all hated Testaverde after his interceptions became predictable! Dubb posted three specific games, times, and scenarios where Chad did the same thing to the same result, and you want to believe he's still good enough?


He had a horrible season, I'm not, and have not ever disagreed. The fact of the matter is, hes the best option we have.
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Posted 07 July 2008 - 12:43 PM

If that's true, that's fine. Maybe his predictable passes in clutch situations is forgivable in your eyes, and that justifies your preference for him over Clemens. But that's not my question. For the sake of closure here, let's say Kellen really does suck. But given Pennington's type of play, do you believe he's still a quality starter in this league?
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Posted 07 July 2008 - 12:49 PM

QUOTE (Amen @ Jul 7 2008, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If that's true, that's fine. Maybe his predictable passes in clutch situations is forgivable in your eyes, and that justifies your preference for him over Clemens. But that's not my question. For the sake of closure here, let's say Kellen really does suck. But given Pennington's type of play, do you believe he's still a quality starter in this league?


A quality starter? I think both Chad and Kellen both serve as quality starters, I like Chad's experience and knowledge on the field. I'm not saying Kellen sucks, I just don't think now is his time. Had we not made moves to win now, I'd be in favor of turning it over to Kellen.
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Posted 07 July 2008 - 02:27 PM

QUOTE (Jetsman05 @ Jul 7 2008, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A quality starter? I think both Chad and Kellen both serve as quality starters, I like Chad's experience and knowledge on the field. I'm not saying Kellen sucks, I just don't think now is his time. Had we not made moves to win now, I'd be in favor of turning it over to Kellen.


I don't think a team - whatever moves they made - can be win now if they don't know who their starter is going into training camp.
And I don't think there is a win now mentality; Woody's stated that Mangini will stay beyond this season as head coach plus not every hole was plugged.
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Posted 07 July 2008 - 02:37 PM

QUOTE (Smedsthejet @ Jul 7 2008, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think a team - whatever moves they made - can be win now if they don't know who their starter is going into training camp.
And I don't think there is a win now mentality; Woody's stated that Mangini will stay beyond this season as head coach plus not every hole was plugged.



at least they've built a solid defense. young and fast. nice.




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Posted 07 July 2008 - 03:00 PM

Its kind of funny mentioning Chad and Vinny having the same weakness " throwing Int to short outs "
see Vinny still has a stronger arm than Chad . but they have one thing in common they played in the west coast offense that the Jets have been using since after parcells left.Hacket Hermdinger and now shotty there in lies the problem .
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Posted 07 July 2008 - 03:18 PM

QUOTE (Swissle @ Jul 7 2008, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
at least they've built a solid defense. young and fast. nice.


I agree that major upgrades have been made, but I wouldn't rate us as a upper echelon team based solely on those moves.
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Posted 07 July 2008 - 06:40 PM

QUOTE (Smedsthejet @ Jul 7 2008, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree that major upgrades have been made, but I wouldn't rate us as a upper echelon team based solely on those moves.



na i wouldn't say that either. but regardless, the Defense is solid, and pretty young. in essence, that could lay a nice foundation to draft offense next year and pick-up some dynamic gamebreakers, QB included, if Clemens can't come into his own.




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Posted 08 July 2008 - 04:54 PM

Okay I can't believe I'm about to write this, but I actually think the Jets should start Chad heading into the season and see what happens. The reason why I say this is the last time Chad had a controversy he played his best season ever and with our line and potential for a legit running game and Chad's ability to play ball control we may have a shot to make the playoffs if he can manage games for us.

Plus I like Clemens coming off the bench with a chip on his shoulder. I just don't want to see a revolving door and if it looks like Chad and Kellen both stink I want to see Ainge and I want to see him early because that will put us in the best position to get a high pick next year and see what we have.
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Posted 08 July 2008 - 05:03 PM

http://nyjetsfan.com...showtopic=23970

Just read this thread^^^

You could have just stated your opinion in there. Here comes another LONG drawn out thread of the same B.S. I'm probably better off just merging this thread. What you guys think.
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Posted 08 July 2008 - 05:26 PM

better off deleting it in my opinion
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Posted 08 July 2008 - 05:32 PM

QUOTE (ColesReturns87 @ Jul 8 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
better off deleting it in my opinion

If you delete it another one will pop up...not a bad idea though.

How about merging it...and finally locking it?
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Posted 08 July 2008 - 06:07 PM

iagree.gif Merge it already.
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Posted 08 July 2008 - 06:26 PM

Oh yeah I make my presence felt on this one as well....


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Posted 08 July 2008 - 06:48 PM

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Oh yeah I make my presence felt on this one as well....
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Post icon  Posted 16 July 2008 - 11:48 PM

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What use is a strong arm if this is a recurring theme?:


What about the quarterback competition? Mangini didn't give away much there, although I couldn't help but notice that Kellen Clemens missed a wide-open receiver in a minicamp practice. Explaining a defensive breakdown on a "bunch" formation, Mangini noted how the defense left a receiver all alone in the middle of the field, about 12 yards from the QB. Clemens apparently didn't see him and threw somewhere else for an incompletion. He also showed a bunch of clips where Chad Pennington alertly spotted an uncovered receiver at the line of scrimmage, called a quick-snap and fired quickly to him. That's called "Smoke," in case you're wondering. I don't think Mangini was making a statement about his quarterbacks, but I found it interesting.

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Chad has 10 times the vision to find open receivers than Clemens does, that is evident when you watch them play and that alone should trump the whole arm argument. That is why Chad completes 68% at 10 a pop while Clemens completes at 52% with 12 a pop, give me the 10 at 68% any day of the week. I don't get fooled by the flash like some of you do, give me consistency over flash any day and twice on sundays.


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Lets not turn this into a Chads got a noddle arm and Kellen has a cannon debate. We already know this.

Now.. Cimini's logic is alittle skewed. I'm shocked that a man that covers the Jets FOR A LIVING isn't all that analytical. Mr Cimini... why does Chad throw a higher completion percentage?.. BECAUUUUUSE, Chad is a dink and dunk perfectionist. Clemens comp percentage would increase if he settled hitting 3 and 4 yard completions for a 3 an a half-hour game too. Sure Kellens % won't look as good on paper. I'm surprised Cimini is this "wet behind the ears".

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I don't get fooled by the flash like some of you do, give me consistency over flash any day and twice on sundays.


Really?.. do we need to venture down this road again?, I'll take the guy who mans up in the 4th Q with the game on the line. I'll take a guy that opposing defense respect and don't cloud the box on which in turn will allow us to run better, I'll take a guy that has some mobility and can make plays on the run any day and twice on Sundays.




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Posted 16 July 2008 - 11:52 PM

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Lets not turn this into a Chads got a noddle arm and Kellen has a cannon debate. We already know this.

Now.. Cimini's logic is alittle skewed. I'm shocked that a man that covers the Jets FOR A LIVING isn't all that analytical. Mr Cimini... why does Chad throw a higher completion percentage?.. BECAUUUUUSE, Chad is a dink and dunk perfectionist. Clemens comp percentage would increase if he settled hitting 3 and 4 yard completions for a 3 an a half-hour game too. Sure Kellens % won't look as good on paper. I'm surprised Cimini is this "wet behind the ears".


From Cimini:


Really?.. do we need to venture down this road again?, I'll take the guy who mans up in the 4th Q with the game on the line. I'll take a guy that opposing defense respect and don't cloud the box on which in turn will allow us to run better, I'll take a guy that has some mobility and can make plays on the run any day and twice on Sundays.





Ok I don't want to fight but your logic that Chad has a higher completetion percentage because he takes 5 yard passes, and Clemens doesn't is actually a KNOCK ON CLEMENS. You can't always go deep to the covered reciever.. His article is dead on accurate.

That being said, if Clemens is this poor in camp at reading the middle, and coverage. Chad will cake walk this competition.
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