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Posted 17 July 2008 - 12:22 AM

QUOTE (Jetsman05 @ Jul 17 2008, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok I don't want to fight but your logic that Chad has a higher completetion percentage because he takes 5 yard passes, and Clemens doesn't is actually a KNOCK ON CLEMENS. You can't always go deep to the covered reciever.. His article is dead on accurate.

That being said, if Clemens is this poor in camp at reading the middle, and coverage. Chad will cake walk this competition.



There is never an easy thread when the names Chad and Kellen are the in the mix.

O.K.. thats it!! were beefin' wink.gif

How is it dead on? I thought what I mentioned was stating the obvious. Someone came up with a stat survey a few months back. Chad only threw 5 balls ALL SEASON (last season ) over 25 yards. Hummm, lets see... As the defense sits prior to the snap there are about 15 to 20 yards from the line on scrimmage to the safeties. He only threw 3 balls outside of that. In essence, 95% of his balls thrown are right into the heart of the defense and thats IF, he's not dumping it 5 yards backwards to Leon or T.J in the flats.

Why did Chad have so many picks for T.D's last year?. Especially in crucial situations?.. because damn near all of his throws are right in the heart of the defense. I will agree that Chads strong suit is reading coverages, thats never been an issue. But since were talking about stats, Chads stats are skewed because he just lofts little 3 and 4 yarders around. I'm not even talking about long bombs, just nice 25,30,35 yards completions. Posts,corners,hooks or whatever. Thats what makes a defense honest. If all Chad does is hit 3 and 4 yard slants and curls not only is a good percentage of picks going for TD's (throwing into the heart of the defense) but thats what is going to get Cotch,Coles and anyone else for that matter KILLED.

I can tell your a Chad supporter and thats cool but lets not turn a bilnd eye to facts. I personally think Kellen being on this team hurts him. Chads been the starter coming out of camp and I'm sure (for the most part) the playbook is catered to Chad. Unfortuately.. Kellen isn't Chad. Kellen needs more of an open offense but how hard is it to gauge what plays to call when Chad and Kellen are switching reps in camp...

I don't have the answers but fact is fact. I honestly can't stand to watch Chad in there. As much as I admire the guy, I just don't have it me to be lullabyed by Chads insanely frustrating drop offs all game. Recievers get hurt with his style of play. As was the case with these percentages.. Clemens never had the luxury of having a healthy Coles when he got his chance, so even further those stats are skewed. Cotchery is just not a #1 WR type guy. Clemens was throwing to Cotchery,McCareins,Baker and Wallace Wright.. Having Coles out there would have done wonders for him, as defenses would have to compensate for number 87 being out there, which would open up other players as well as give him a # 1 WR type of target.

I Just don't know what else to say. We've been down this road over and over again and I can't make it anymore clearer then this. If what I wrote isn't pretty self explanitory then I think I should just wash my hands with this topic FOR GOOD.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 12:24 AM

All respect to ya. I can't argue it anymore to be honest. hysterical.gif

You know how I feel, I know how you feel, we've been round and round about this..

Camp in a week!!!!
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 02:47 AM

do you promise to stop posting this subject until say 7 days of camp .?
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 04:12 AM

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You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


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There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
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3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 07:45 AM

Cimini is a flip-flopper anyway. Next week he'll have a pro-Clemens argument. We saw the way he juggled the draft chatter. Every day it was a new article about who the Jets love and who we'll pick. I hit the snooze when it comes to his opinions.

As for the original point about Clemens not seeing the wide open guy, that's something that comes with experience. The article claims that the defense's coverage collapsed. So he likely read the defense and bypassed a guy he assumed would be covered. It's a flaw anyway you slice it, but it's not one that I'd expect to define his career. Especially if it's just a practice walk-through.

Stats lie anyway. Like Dubb said, it's not tough to get high completion percentages when you're basically shoveling the ball out to the flats. Give me a player that gives us a fighting chance when the game is on the line every single Sunday.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 08:00 AM

Football isn't like Baseball where the statistics pretty much tell the whole truth. You have to WATCH football games to see what is happening. Chad's high completion percentage doesn't help when he throws passes 2 yards shy of the 1st down marker on 3rd down. It doesn't help when his pass takes so long to get there our recievers are routinely getting lit up. It doesn't help when he can't throw to the sidelines because the CB's are just waiting to pick 6 it. I'm not sure if Clemens is the answer, but i'll take my chances with a NFL caliber QB arm who is learning over an NFL caliber brain that physically can't perform.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 09:11 AM

How many wide open WRs did Chad miss last year? I remember a whole bunch. Don't get caught up in TC. Chad is one of the best when there is zero pressure. When you pressure Chad he falls apart. Why do you think Chad is awful in the playoffs?
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 10:31 AM

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....although I couldn't help but notice that Kellen Clemens missed a wide-open receiver in a minicamp practice. Explaining a defensive breakdown on a "bunch" formation, Mangini noted how the defense left a receiver all alone in the middle of the field, about 12 yards from the QB. Clemens apparently didn't see him and threw somewhere else for an incompletion.



In the immortal words of Chris Matthews:

"HA! HA! HA!"

Unless Kellen makes some serious improvement, this team's Chad's again.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 12:21 PM

QUOTE (gmany3k @ Jul 17 2008, 03:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
do you promise to stop posting this subject until say 7 days of camp .?


Just just it's posted doesn't mean you have to click on it. We all have a choice to click on or not. No one is forcing you.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 12:22 PM

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Just just it's posted doesn't mean you have to click on it. We all have a choice to click on or not. No one is forcing you.


The words 'Chad' and 'Start' force me to come hysterical.gif
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 12:49 PM

if this hits 2 pages it's getting merged into the locked topic pinned up to the top.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 12:51 PM

QUOTE (Amen @ Jul 17 2008, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
if this hits 2 pages it's getting merged into the locked topic pinned up to the top.


hysterical.gif fa sho!
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 12:54 PM

QUOTE (Amen @ Jul 17 2008, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
if this hits 2 pages it's getting merged into the locked topic pinned up to the top.


I hate this shit too, BUT....

it's really one of the only things to talk about, so why not just let the people who care enough to go back and forth with each other? Like S-Dubb said, you don't have to click.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 01:22 PM

i hear you beanz, but it was talked to death. we'll have plenty more debates on this when the TC and the season starts. i can picture it now with fans of both QBs clamoring over every positive thing one does and nitpicking the negatives. and then when the season starts (while Chad is on the bench) his supporters will argue that Chad would have seen this open receiver, and would've made that pass. i'm not against the debates, i'm just saying we're going in circles until we have more to discuss than mini-camp.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 01:27 PM

QUOTE (Amen @ Jul 17 2008, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i hear you beanz, but it was talked to death. we'll have plenty more debates on this when the TC and the season starts. i can picture it now with fans of both QBs clamoring over every positive thing one does and nitpicking the negatives. and then when the season starts (while Chad is on the bench) his supporters will argue that Chad would have seen this open receiver, and would've made that pass. i'm not against the debates, i'm just saying we're going in circles until we have more to discuss than mini-camp.


I don't think it'll be Fans of both QB.

I think I might stand alone with Chad. hysterical.gif
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 01:51 PM

I'm a fan of clemmington

if pennington wins we are doooomed. unless the win column starts adding up. so happy we drafted a 3rd qb at this point.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 05:28 PM

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 05:39 PM

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They will lose 3 games and him and Moreno will not enter the draft.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 05:44 PM

I dunno why any QB would come out their junior year, there are very few great junior QBs that make it in the NFL. Besides, it's better to have that degree if you turn out to be a bust.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 05:47 PM

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I dunno why any QB would come out their junior year, there are very few great junior QBs that make it in the NFL. Besides, it's better to have that degree if you turn out to be a bust.


Well if Georgia somehow wins the SEC(doubtful) he will be gone, I don't even think there will be a competition with him to be the #1 QB taken. Maybe Curtis Painter?
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