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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 06:19 PM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ Jul 17 2008, 12:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Lets not turn this into a Chads got a noddle arm and Kellen has a cannon debate. We already know this.

Now.. Cimini's logic is alittle skewed. I'm shocked that a man that covers the Jets FOR A LIVING isn't all that analytical. Mr Cimini... why does Chad throw a higher completion percentage?.. BECAUUUUUSE, Chad is a dink and dunk perfectionist. Clemens comp percentage would increase if he settled hitting 3 and 4 yard completions for a 3 an a half-hour game too. Sure Kellens % won't look as good on paper. I'm surprised Cimini is this "wet behind the ears".

From Cimini:


Really?.. do we need to venture down this road again?, I'll take the guy who mans up in the 4th Q with the game on the line. I'll take a guy that opposing defense respect and don't cloud the box on which in turn will allow us to run better, I'll take a guy that has some mobility and can make plays on the run any day and twice on Sundays.






Beautifully said, can't agree more.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 06:37 PM

Georgia will win it, Stafford and Moreno are too much. Plus not to mention how great their OL is, I forget his name but their one OL is like a monster and probably will be a 1st or 2nd round pick. And They have a good defense too.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 06:42 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jul 17 2008, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Georgia will win it, Stafford and Moreno are too much. Plus not to mention how great their OL is, I forget his name but their one OL is like a monster and probably will be a 1st or 2nd round pick. And They have a good defense too.


Stafford and Moreno too much?

Tebow, Harvin, Moore, Murph, Rainey, Moody, Ingram, Hernandez, Thompson are too much. We also actually have a football coach, Richt is horrid.

They go on a stretch where they are @South Carolina, then across the country for an @Arizona State, to then come home to Bama.

Also play @Auburn late, and of course play UF in Jacksonville at the *beep*tail Bowl (they won't win)

Not to mention, if they survive that, they have the SEC Championship game. They have an above average OL, not great. Vance? He might be a top3 round pick. Asher Allen is their only playmaker on defense.

I just can't see them making it thru that schedule.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 11:17 PM

Mark Richt is actually one hell of a coach.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 11:24 PM

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Mark Richt is actually one hell of a coach.


Hes a bottom dweller as coaches go in the SEC. Please tell me something the guy as actually accomplished at UGA.

Two Sugar Bowls? He was a U of Miami rat, and is a UGA rat now. He thinks hes on top of the world after taking Aaron Murray out of Florida.

I can't stand the dude, and the act of having all his punks run on the field after scoring and do the gatorchomp against us was just humerous.
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Posted 18 July 2008 - 09:11 AM

QUOTE (theanalogkid @ Jul 17 2008, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I dunno why any QB would come out their junior year, there are very few great junior QBs that make it in the NFL. Besides, it's better to have that degree if you turn out to be a bust.


I can tell you why this coming year, its because it is believed that this will be the last draft that there is not a rookie salary cap. So I would think you will see a ton of underclassman come out.
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Posted 18 July 2008 - 05:06 PM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ Jul 17 2008, 12:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now.. Cimini's logic is alittle skewed. I'm shocked that a man that covers the Jets FOR A LIVING isn't all that analytical. Mr Cimini... why does Chad throw a higher completion percentage?.. BECAUUUUUSE, Chad is a dink and dunk perfectionist. Clemens comp percentage would increase if he settled hitting 3 and 4 yard completions for a 3 an a half-hour game too. Sure Kellens % won't look as good on paper. I'm surprised Cimini is this "wet behind the ears".



Ok Ill start by saying that Im really confused which parts are Cimini and which parts are you. I assume the above quote is you.

The part that confuses me about your argument is that according to Cimini, Clemen's average YPA is 12 vs Chads 10. With a 2 yard difference how can you honestly call Chad a dink and dunk artist while claiming Clemens is the opposite. That just makes no sense.

That being said, I agree with Cimini...Ill take 68% vs 52% ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

Plus depending on whether you are a 'glass half full or half empty' type of guy then there are two ways to look at Clemens 4th quarter production. Either the man is clutch, or hes asleep for the first 3 quarters. If hes asleep for the first 3, then no thanks. "please refer to Washington vs Jets". Im not saying hes one or the other...Im just saying there are two ways you can look at this. I still need more time to come to a determination.
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Posted 18 July 2008 - 06:32 PM

QUOTE (Pennington @ Jul 18 2008, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok Ill start by saying that Im really confused which parts are Cimini and which parts are you. I assume the above quote is you.

The part that confuses me about your argument is that according to Cimini, Clemen's average YPA is 12 vs Chads 10. With a 2 yard difference how can you honestly call Chad a dink and dunk artist while claiming Clemens is the opposite. That just makes no sense.

That being said, I agree with Cimini...Ill take 68% vs 52% ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

Plus depending on whether you are a 'glass half full or half empty' type of guy then there are two ways to look at Clemens 4th quarter production. Either the man is clutch, or hes asleep for the first 3 quarters. If hes asleep for the first 3, then no thanks. "please refer to Washington vs Jets". Im not saying hes one or the other...Im just saying there are two ways you can look at this. I still need more time to come to a determination.


I love how the Chad fans just look at things through the peephole instead of the microscope. Yes.. on the surface those numbers are better. Of course 68 is greater then 52, well atleast last time I went to school anyway biggrin.gif

Acutally, I'm not even going to repeat myself. I'll just quote myself.

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Chad only threw 5 balls ALL SEASON (last season ) over 25 yards. Hummm, lets see... As the defense sits prior to the snap there are about 15 to 20 yards from the line on scrimmage to the safeties. He only threw 3 balls outside of that. In essence, 95% of his balls thrown are right into the heart of the defense and thats IF, he's not dumping it 5 yards backwards to Leon or T.J in the flats.


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Chads stats are skewed because he just lofts little 3 and 4 yarders around.


Negitives to the dink and dunk offense and please lets not confuse Chad Pennington football with Joe Montana west coast offense football. Chad is the very extreme of dink and dunk. I mean any more dink and we'll be dunking ourselves backwards. However not only is this offense not that extremely productive it also can hang people out to dry. Coles can thank Penny's little 7 yard floater for his concussion.

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If all Chad does is hit 3 and 4 yard slants and curls not only is a good percentage of picks going for TD's (throwing into the heart of the defense) but thats what is going to get Cotch,Coles and anyone else for that matter KILLED.


This is another reason those stats are skewed.

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Clemens never had the luxury of having a healthy Coles when he got his chance, so even further those stats are skewed. Cotchery is just not a #1 WR type guy. Clemens was throwing to Cotchery,McCareins,Baker and Wallace Wright..


and like I already said.

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'll take the guy who mans up in the 4th Q with the game on the line. I'll take a guy that opposing defense respect and don't cloud the box on which in turn will allow us to run better, I'll take a guy that has some mobility and can make plays on the run any day and twice on Sundays.

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 01:04 AM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ Jul 18 2008, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love how the Chad fans just look at things through the peephole instead of the microscope. Yes.. on the surface those numbers are better. Of course 68 is greater then 52, well atleast last time I went to school anyway biggrin.gif


I like how Clemens fans can just ignore that Clemens didn't do much in his time under center last year, actually he didn't do anything.
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 01:13 AM

and the square dance continues.
locked and merged, fellas.
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Posted 06 August 2008 - 11:16 PM

WHO CARES??!?!?!?!

We got Brett Favre baby! WOOOOOOT!
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