:: Official Kellen Clemens Vs. Chad Pennington Debate :: All New Topics Will Be Merged to This Thread!
Posted 27 June 2008 - 08:54 PM
Posted 27 June 2008 - 09:08 PM
Posted 28 June 2008 - 07:07 AM
where do i sign up for my catscan.
Good point. Surely, if Chad offered nothing anymore then there wouldn't be a QB competition?
I want Clemens to win the battle and to develop into a quality QB, but if he doesn't win, then I'll throw my support behind Chad, however if the second option occurs then we will be in the market for a QB next offseason
Posted 28 June 2008 - 07:30 AM
When the pressure is on, Chad crumbles, Clemens doesn't. That's all that really matters in a league where until the the clock goes to 00:00 in the 4th, the game is never over.
Posted 28 June 2008 - 11:44 AM
And anyone that wants to say Chad Pennington isn't the problem is a retard. Check out some of these wonderful statistics:
Chad Pennington 2007:
9 TDs 7 INTs
Averaging 202 yards passing a game. He's lucky he didn't start the Baltimore game... his stats would look incredibly disgusting.
When trailing by 9-16 points: 2 TDs 7 INTs .... how is this the defenses' fault?
4th Quarter within 7: 1 TD 5 INTs and a QB rating of 42.1
Chad Pennington 2006:
17 TDs 17 INTs
When trailing by 9-16 points: 5 TDs 5 INTs
4th Quarter within 7: 3 TDs 5 INTs and a QB rating of 71.5
As you can see these statistics show that Chad Pennington can't win you anything and plays very poorly when the game is on the line. Is that what you want out of your QB? I sure dont. If you take the Patriots out of the equation the combined Win/Loss record of our opponents so far is 15-17. If you take the teams that have a winning percentage out of the equation the records combined are 6-12. The Jets have played a 1 win team the last two weeks and lost. They also lost to a winless team. Chad Pennington threw the game losing INT against the last 3 of 4 teams... BUF, NY, and CIN.
1. With the game on the line against BUF Chad threw 8 straight short passes netting 20 yards. Last pass: Short and to the right for an INT.
2. Against the NYG Chad on 1st and 15 throws a short pass for -1 yard. Then 2 incomplete attempts "deep" then 2 more short passes which once again ends in a short pass thrown to the right sideline for an INT and a TD.
3. The last 9 pass attempts against the Bengals before the INT that sealed the deal, including 5 from the drive in which he threw it, were all short passes. The last pass of that series down by 1 TD: Short left INT for a TD.
I dont wanna go back into the history logs but I'm curious just how many times in his career Chad Pennington has thrown that short pass to the sideline for an INT that cost the Jets the game. I'm not sure it really matters because at this point it happens on cue. So anyway, digest some of those numbers and tell me Chad Pennington isn't the problem. Digest those numbers and tell me that you would rather have Chad Pennington at QB than Kellen Clemens. Digest those numbers and tell me you'd want Chad starting on your team period! If you think so you obviously don't care about winning because Chad Pennington only loses games.
Posted 28 June 2008 - 01:48 PM
The funny part about it, half of those games you have to watch, not just pull up a stat sheet.
the 10-0 loss against the bears, no one was scoring on that defense and it was a complete storm the whole time.
You cant say bad things about 2004 jets because he didn't do MUCH wrong that year, you can pull up a bad game on any QB during a teams good season.
the 41-0 loss to Jax... Jax was just much much better than our whole team, not just Chad.
First round of the playoffs vs. the Pats? Tell me how many teams in the past, what 10 years has beaten New England twice, both in their place? Seriously?
Sept. 9, 2007 "Statistically Chad wasn't bad" but he was sacked 4 times. I think thats not really falling on Chads plate, he didn't hold onto the ball too long in that game.
Theres about half the games your talking about.
You say his Comeback Player of the Year award means nothing, but then when he is hurt it means the world.
You can say its not all about "Chad Hating" but it is.
Posted 28 June 2008 - 03:59 PM
To be a Comeback player you actually have to be down and out first, which Chad was.
Posted 29 June 2008 - 12:21 AM
Posted 29 June 2008 - 10:38 AM
It boggles my mind to think that you've seen enough of Clemens to say that he's the better option.
-Rex Ryan, Hard Knocks
Posted 29 June 2008 - 12:00 PM
Saying Clemens is the better option doesn't mean I think Clemens is a good QB. It means i KNOW chad is not.
You guys must be big wizard of oz fans...
Posted 29 June 2008 - 01:49 PM
Actually Clemens played very good the whole game against the Redskins, and Pitt and Cleveland he did alright through the game, but he elevates his play when the game is on the line. Chad has always fell short in those situations.
Posted 29 June 2008 - 01:52 PM
He also didn't complete 50 percent of his passes vs. Pitt (Give our Defense some credit coming off that bye)
The Washington game he was very ordinary.
And I will give him his deal on the Baltimore game, he definitely showed he can play with the big boys. But that was his first start, he didn't get any better throughout the year. Still against Baltimore, I don't think he completed over 50 percent, and if he did it wasn't much over.
Posted 29 June 2008 - 05:02 PM
Posted 30 June 2008 - 11:05 AM
You do realize that Chad has the best winning percentage of any Jets QB in history, right? So if you actually think there has been better days to be a Jets fan besides when Namath was throwing interceptions and getting carried by his RB to a championship then you're mistaken.
-Rex Ryan, Hard Knocks