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Jetsfan0099 Icon : (18 August 2014 - 03:51 PM) Milliner did suffer a high ankle sprain, that sucks. could linger all year
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (18 August 2014 - 03:52 PM) I think Patterson sucked vs the Colts because he was injured, which he always is.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 06:49 PM) As much as people criticized Tannanbaum for spending too much. It's starting to look like Idzik is going to be too cheap.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 06:52 PM) You get what you pay for and when you let quality players go because you don't want to pay them, this is what happens. You're left with scrub players.
azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 07:55 PM) I'm still on board with the Idzik plan. Even with Revis and Revis we still are not going to the SB this year. But the down time sucks. If Milliner comes back healthy by week 3 or so we should be fine.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 08:18 PM) Regardless of our SB chances this year or next year. If Idzik keeps acting like a cheapskate and continues to let quality players go, we won't have to worry about winning much of anything this decade.
azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) He wants to build through the draft. Not blow the bank on FA. I get what your saying but there is a balance and right now we are not one or two pieces away.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:00 PM) It's not about being one or two pieces away. It's about keeping the good pieces you have and building upon that.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:04 PM) But there is no sense in trying to build through the draft if he's only going to end up letting the good players he picks up go in FA after a few years. All because he wants to do things on the cheap.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:02 AM) FIRE IDZIK
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:33 AM) out side of Revis who left we should have kept?
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:34 AM) The Revis deal sucks but $16 million was too much for a CB and once he was gone he was not coming back.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 11:00 AM) Matt Slauson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:00 PM) Eh. I think with our current cap situation we will be able to retain guys like Wilkerson and whomever we want to keep. We are in a good position right now.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:49 PM) Time will tell.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:00 PM) landed revis abck. got DRC, nope we take patterson who got owned and always hurt. milner always hurt. 3rd round CB done for season. were gonna get passed on all day
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:44 PM) Yea the DRC bit makes me iffy
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 03:35 PM) better then patterson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:45 PM) No I mean the fact that he whiffed on him.
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:46 PM) I'm not saying Idzik is perfect. I just like the direction we are heading. It's going to take some patience.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:27 PM) I like how our lack of secondary is the hot topic right now. The bigger issue is we still will not be able to throw the ball. We are not going to do much of anything regardless until we get a QB. Sorry for being so negative just my honest opinion.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:29 PM) With that said I think our running game with CJ and Powell will be top 10 or somewhere around there
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:35 PM) i have faith that if geno messes up that vick can come in and do well. but i have 0 faith in our secondary right now which has been our strong point for the past 4 years or so
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:35 PM) I agree 115. but the one thing is Rex has done some good things in the past with shitty DBs and still had a solid D going back to his years in BAL
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:37 PM) Corey Ivy CB
36 Jim Leonhard SS/PR
43 Haruki Nakamura FS
25 Evan Oglesby CB
20 Ed Reed FS
22 Samari Rolle CB
39 Daren Stone FS
41 Frank Walker CB
31 Fabian Washington in 2008
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:39 PM) Reed is a HOF but Rolle was way past his prime
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) SNOOPY BOWL FRIDAY!!!
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:26 PM) I assume we will pick up a guy after the cuts happen.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 10:14 PM) we'll see but I think we see better QB play than we have in a while.
518-JeTS-FaN Icon : (20 August 2014 - 08:54 AM) disgusted with my local programming, instead of jets and giants they are airing the raiders vs packers..wtf
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 09:23 AM) Glad I don't live up there anymore haha
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The JETS are #6 in the Forbes List for most franchise value
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The Buffalo Jills are #31 and the Miami Dolphags are #16 respectively
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 07:00 PM) The JETS are worth $1.8 billion
jet-man Icon : (20 August 2014 - 10:03 PM) that's less than the clippers
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:07 PM) I'm very excited with the amount of preseason touchdowns the Jets have
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:21 PM) FIRE IDZIK
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:22 PM) Calvin Pryor and Darrin Walls will start tomorrow
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:52 PM) The SIMPSONS MARATHON has been on for almost 12 hours...
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:57 PM) Sanchez looks so much more confident and better in Chip's offense than he did with us
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 09:50 PM) EVERY SIMPSONS EVER!!!!!
2JBallar01 Icon : (Today, 07:10 AM) Sanchez is looking good for the eagles. Crazy how a good offense and the right system can make you look so much better. When you're put into a situatuon to succeed, magic happens. Happy for Sanchez, i think he needed a change just as much as the Jets did.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Today, 08:02 AM) Preseason doesn't matter at all
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 11:10 AM) anyone have a stream for the preseaosn agme by chance?
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#61 User is offline   Smedsthejet Icon

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Posted 30 June 2008 - 11:07 AM

QUOTE (Mr_Jet @ Jun 30 2008, 03:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We'll beat those Eagles fans yet.


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Posted 30 June 2008 - 11:19 AM

QUOTE (choon328 @ Jun 30 2008, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You do realize that Chad has the best winning percentage of any Jets QB in history, right? So if you actually think there has been better days to be a Jets fan besides when Namath was throwing interceptions and getting carried by his RB to a championship then you're mistaken. biggrin.gif

Thats not exactly something to brag about. How many winning seasons has the Jets had? Pennington played on some good teams, 2004 he had one hell of a run game along with a great defense. 2006 he looked good some games, but others he was bad, he was very inconsistent, he also had help from a very good ST unit, and had the most prolific WR tandem in Jets history with a healthy Coles and Cotchery.
Chad is not the answer, we have not gone past 10-6 with him, or past the 2nd round of the playoffs, I want to believe Clemens is but he might not be, we are probably going to need to draft a QB 1st round this draft. But I want to see what Clemens can do.
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 11:51 AM

QUOTE (Smedsthejet @ Jun 30 2008, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Nah, the iggle fans take the cake. They actually have a really good Q.B and yet they still want to can his ass.
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 11:59 AM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ Jun 30 2008, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nah, the iggle fans take the cake. They actually have a really good Q.B and yet they still want to can his ass.

I'll take McNabb over Pennington any day. At least McNabb brought his team to a SB, and can play 16 game schedules. And has the ability to throw the ball downfield. McNabb is one of the best QBs in the game, them not liking him is stupid.
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 12:10 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jun 30 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll take McNabb over Pennington any day. At least McNabb brought his team to a SB, and can play 16 game schedules. And has the ability to throw the ball downfield. McNabb is one of the best QBs in the game, them not liking him is stupid.



plus mcnabb can get out of the pocket and run if needed



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Posted 30 June 2008 - 12:39 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jun 30 2008, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thats not exactly something to brag about. How many winning seasons has the Jets had? Pennington played on some good teams, 2004 he had one hell of a run game along with a great defense. 2006 he looked good some games, but others he was bad, he was very inconsistent, he also had help from a very good ST unit, and had the most prolific WR tandem in Jets history with a healthy Coles and Cotchery.
Chad is not the answer, we have not gone past 10-6 with him, or past the 2nd round of the playoffs, I want to believe Clemens is but he might not be, we are probably going to need to draft a QB 1st round this draft. But I want to see what Clemens can do.


ANYTHING to not give Chad is due. He is a winner.
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 01:23 PM

QUOTE (Jetsman05 @ Jun 30 2008, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ANYTHING to not give Chad is due. He is a winner.

Hes is a winner?? How many rings does he have??
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 01:29 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jun 30 2008, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hes is a winner?? How many rings does he have??


You sure as hell can't call him a Loser because he doesn't have a ring. It takes a full special team effort in any sport to be a world champion.
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 01:50 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jun 30 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll take McNabb over Pennington any day. At least McNabb brought his team to a SB, and can play 16 game schedules. And has the ability to throw the ball downfield. McNabb is one of the best QBs in the game, them not liking him is stupid.


McNabb hasn't played 16 games since 2003.
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 02:45 PM

QUOTE (Jetsman05 @ Jun 30 2008, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
McNabb hasn't played 16 games since 2003.

Oh my mistake he played 14 games last year....... Still plays more then he sits.
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 03:08 PM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Jun 30 2008, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh my mistake he played 14 games last year....... Still plays more then he sits.


Chad wins more than he loses.... so therefore under that statement, he is a winner.
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 03:15 PM

QUOTE (Jetsman05 @ Jun 30 2008, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Chad wins more than he loses.... so therefore under that statement, he is a winner.

Sure he wins more then he loses, but that doesn't mean he is a winner. A winner is someone like Brady or Manning, not Chad. Chad couldn't win more then Clemens last year either, and Chad had more help from ST TDs and defensive TDs.
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 03:26 PM

QUOTE (Jetsman05 @ Jun 30 2008, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Chad wins more than he loses.... so therefore under that statement, he is a winner.


Lets not get into Chad and winning games. Chad does well against sub-par teams but has a long record of choking against good teams and in the playoffs. McNabb has took the Eagles to the superbowl, something Chaddy boy has never done. So 1-up for McNabb.
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 03:29 PM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ Jun 30 2008, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lets not get into Chad and winning games. Chad does well against sub-par teams but has a long record of choking against good teams and in the playoffs. McNabb has took the Eagles to the superbowl, something Chaddy boy has never done. So 1-up for McNabb.


Eh.. I never compared the two, was just using his logic of "He plays more than he sits"

End of that though. Chad is a winner. Always will be.
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 03:32 PM

This argument is going to go on through TC and the preseason....bottom line is this, it doesn't matter what we think at all...whoever Mangini decides to name as the starter for game 1 is out of our control! Isn't he the guy whose decision we have to live with regardless of whether we like it?

So if you are going to jump ship (so to speak), if the QB that you want isn't named starter, go right ahead. I'm backing whichever QB that the decision makers anoint as starter in September! Why? Because I've been a Jet fan for over 30 years and feel that we DO have a good squad and can win regardless...

On a side note, do I want Kellen to "outright" win the job? yes..but thats me. Will I not watch and root for the Jets if Chad wins the job? I'll be in front of the TV, or at the game rooting my balls off for our starting QB!!

And another thing, their are alot of die hard Tangini supporters on our forum, that are huge Chad bashers. Question to you guys, since the FO didn't go out this offseason and pick up a veteran QB that has played reasonably well in this league, and lets say the hated Chad wins the job...will you question Mangini then? Just a thought...
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 03:36 PM

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Posted 30 June 2008 - 03:46 PM

QUOTE (Jetsman05 @ Jun 30 2008, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Eh.. I never compared the two, was just using his logic of "He plays more than he sits"

End of that though. Chad is a winner. Always will be.

That makes no sense. How do you get that I said at least he plays more than he sits into Chads a winner???
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 03:48 PM

QUOTE (Leon#29 @ Jun 30 2008, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This argument is going to go on through TC and the preseason....bottom line is this, it doesn't matter what we think at all...whoever Mangini decides to name as the starter for game 1 is out of our control! Isn't he the guy whose decision we have to live with regardless of whether we like it?

So if you are going to jump ship (so to speak), if the QB that you want isn't named starter, go right ahead. I'm backing whichever QB that the decision makers anoint as starter in September! Why? Because I've been a Jet fan for over 30 years and feel that we DO have a good squad and can win regardless...

On a side note, do I want Kellen to "outright" win the job? yes..but thats me. Will I not watch and root for the Jets if Chad wins the job? I'll be in front of the TV, or at the game rooting my balls off for our starting QB!!

And another thing, their are alot of die hard Tangini supporters on our forum, that are huge Chad bashers. Question to you guys, since the FO didn't go out this offseason and pick up a veteran QB that has played reasonably well in this league, and lets say the hated Chad wins the job...will you question Mangini then? Just a thought...


I am in the same boat as you, just your "want" for Kellen, mine is for Chad. Its all understandable. I don't hate on anyone that wants Kellen, I just don't think the arguement should be about how bad Chad "sucks" it should be about what you think of KELLEN.

I don't understand how people can sit here and say Chad sucks, then get infront of the TV next season if he wins the job and support him hardcore like we should, and I will.
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 03:55 PM

QUOTE (Leon#29 @ Jun 30 2008, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This argument is going to go on through TC and the preseason....bottom line is this, it doesn't matter what we think at all...whoever Mangini decides to name as the starter for game 1 is out of our control! Isn't he the guy whose decision we have to live with regardless of whether we like it?

So if you are going to jump ship (so to speak), if the QB that you want isn't named starter, go right ahead. I'm backing whichever QB that the decision makers anoint as starter in September! Why? Because I've been a Jet fan for over 30 years and feel that we DO have a good squad and can win regardless...

On a side note, do I want Kellen to "outright" win the job? yes..but thats me. Will I not watch and root for the Jets if Chad wins the job? I'll be in front of the TV, or at the game rooting my balls off for our starting QB!!

And another thing, their are alot of die hard Tangini supporters on our forum, that are huge Chad bashers. Question to you guys, since the FO didn't go out this offseason and pick up a veteran QB that has played reasonably well in this league, and lets say the hated Chad wins the job...will you question Mangini then? Just a thought...

I will not question Mangini, I will question that this team doesn't have a legit QB to replace Pennington. If Clemens doesn't beat Chad out, then we need to draft a QB 1st round this draft. That is priority #1! We need a franchise QB! I am still mad that we didn't go after Drew Brees when he was a FA, then not getting Matt Leinart or Jay Cutler.
I will watch either way, it doesn't matter, I watched the Jets through 05 when we had the worst QB display on earth with like 5-6 QBs through out the season. I'm just sick of Pennington, I want a real QB, one that can actually throw.
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 03:59 PM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ Jun 30 2008, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lets not get into Chad and winning games. Chad does well against sub-par teams but has a long record of choking against good teams and in the playoffs. McNabb has took the Eagles to the superbowl, something Chaddy boy has never done. So 1-up for McNabb.


McNabb plays in the NFC. I mean look at the starting QBs for all the NFC Champions since 2000.

2007: Eli Manning (Won, as a Wild Card team)
2006: Rex Grossman (Lost)
2005: Matt Hasselbeck (Lost)
2004: Donovan McNabb (Lost)
2003: Jake Delhomme (Lost)
2002: Trent Dilfer (Won)
2001: Kurt Warner (Lost)
2000: Kerry Collins (Lost)

Ever since Denver broke the AFC's Super Bowl losing streak the NFC has been the weaker conference. The three teams that Chad and the Jets lost to in the playoffs since 2002 all went on to become AFC Champions since then. The Raiders in 02, the Steelers in 05, and the Patriots this past season.

I'm not trying to make excuses for Chad but him (and every other AFC QB) being in the AFC gives him a tougher road to the Super Bowl than Donovan McNabb had/has.

But I guess with Jetsfan0099's logic Trent Dilfer is more of a winner than Dan Marino is since Dilfer has a ring and Marino doesn't. Proof positive TEAMS win Super Bowls and not PLAYERS.




This will be my final post in this thread since I'm sure there will be a new thread next week on the very same topic. So maybe I'll participate in that thread....or the one the week after next or the one the week after that.
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You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


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There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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