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ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:30 PM) It's ok for the offense to deliberately take a safety to prevent a TD and only give up 2 points an benefit themselves so yeah I think it is an old out of date rule that should be thrown out. If the d makes a great play they shouldn't have to give the offense the ball back because of a stupid rule
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:30 PM) So I'm glad it wasn't called
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:31 PM) Hope it's changed next year
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:31 PM) it's been called a ton of times, they showed a montage o ESPN last night of a bunch of times it's been called
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:33 PM) just because one player made a great play, doesn't mean you can excuse someone making a bonehead play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:34 PM) chancellor made a great play (remember when i wanted the jets to draft him?) but the LBer should have not illegally batted it, he could have tried to recover it or body blocked det from recovering.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:34 PM) Not sure what ESPN you had on ESPN China? I left ESPN on for 2 hours after the game and I never seen this montage you say. I'm calling you out as bullshit. Show me a video of proof
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:38 PM) Even the old ESPN official couldn't remember an instance of it being called. It isn't the same as the offense backing out of the end zone with the ball or being sacked in the end zone for a safety. Completely different rule and situation. I've never seen it called and I watch at least 6 games at a time a week. None of the ESPN announcer players, Ray Lewis, Dilfer, or Young even knew the rule and that's over 20 years of NFL experience. Yet none of them knew or understood the rule until it was explained in detail
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:40 PM) I've never once seen the ball given back to to offense so I challenge you to show me this montage you claim was on. If I didn't see it for two hours I after the game I'm calling bullshit on your end
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:43 PM) Say whatever you want but show me proof or just leave it be because I won't believe you without a bunch of video proof. I have a hell of a memory and if it ever was called maybe once or twice in the past 30 years but no way there is some montage
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:48 PM) Nether coach knew the rule either and they would know more of the rules than the players and fans. If not for a retired official bringing it up it probably would've never even been brought up at all
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:58 PM) I highly questionable is on now and they are even saying no one knew the rule or complained until they were told the rule.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 04:05 PM) I have seen plenty of games where defenders did knock the ball out of the end zone like the situation last night to prevent any possible touchdown not disputing that because that has happened a good many times. My point is I've never seen a flag thrown for it and the ball given to the offense. It's definitely an obsolete rule that should be thrown out. The NFL has made the rules so offensive friendly these days it's hard to play defense with out calls anymore. That is just one more bullshit rule to help the offense. Take the Jets Dolphins game for instance. Those bullshit pi calls against our defense for clearly uncatchable balls. Pi never should've never been called giving up like 60 yards on two calls and a td that never would've happened. At most they should've been 5 yard holding calls. Never would've been mad if they just called them holding calls.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 04:06 PM) Anyway I'm tired of all these offense friendly rules these days screwing over the defenses. It's starting to get like non touch flag football for the defenses.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 04:11 PM) You know it too. Our team has been a defensive team for well over a decade and so many bullshit calls have been called against our defense because of the new offensive friendly rules. So I say screw Detroit. I'm glad it wasn't called and a defense gets a break
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 06:37 PM) call em a liar if you want, but I seen it man
santana Icon : (07 October 2015 - 12:52 AM) guess I should enable a character limit for the shoutbox
santana Icon : (07 October 2015 - 12:53 AM) getting a bit out of hand
Jetsman05 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 06:30 AM) Rob you're brutal
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Who should I start this week in fantasy football? Its a PPR league. I can start 3 of the WRs Edelman-/D-Thomas/Mike Evans/James Jones
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Edelman and Thomas are must start
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:31 PM) So do I start Evans against Jax or James Jones vs STL
Jetsfan115 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:45 PM) jones. winston likes jackson more then evans
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 01:47 PM) My two year old daughter is less manic and is able to maintain her composure much better than someone we know here ....
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 03:07 PM) Dolphins have also fired their DC
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:24 PM) I am composed. 115 and I may see things differently but he has never pissed me off. He is just trying to make his point of view and I mine nothing more
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:25 PM) I just feel the rule is a very bad rule to give the offense the ball back for losing the ball in the endzone because of a batted ball and feel the NFL is far to offense firendly these days thats all
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:27 PM) I know many agree with that. I get that many changes have been made to limit things like brain damage and other injuries some season ending and career ending but defenses cant play hard like they used to and pathetic calls on defenses have ruinbed many games.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:29 PM) Thats why brought up the Jets Fish game. The balls were clearly uncatcahable and a light tug on the jersey shouldn't be a pi. Whatever happened to the uncatchable ball rule?"
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:33 PM) and as far as that montage I did have ESPN on for 2 hours after the game because I wanted to see all the reactions and get a clear understanding of this old rule and I never saw a bunch of clips where flags were thrown for the play in question. So I asked for proof. If it was on ESPN it wasn't on ESPN1 maybe ESPN 2 ,3 or news. Its not wrong or brutal to ask for proof when he stated he saw it on ESPN I had the channel on and didn't see what he claimed he saw and still haven't seen any video of proof of his claims
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:36 PM) But as I said not mad at all. 115 and I are cool and always have been Ive never been mad at him in anyway. This is a fan forum and we dispute. If we all agreed on everything there would be no point of the forum. Disputes on stats and calls make things interesting, and makes each of use see things from different points of view
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:56 PM) it was on whatever channel the game itself came on
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:56 PM) and for the record I don't have any issue with anything rob said. I just disagree with it
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) I do think rules are too offense friendly, but I think in this case, when someone blatently breaks a rule ti should be punished
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) but then again pacman got away with ripping off a players helmet and didn't get a penatly
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) refs need to be more consistent
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:04 PM) Hell yeah! Pac 12 AZ State Jaelen Strong. Not a Texans fan but and dont watch a ton of college football but do watch the Pac 12 for football and basketball growing up in Phoenix and also a Suns fan and liking the Cardinals since they moved to AZ .Was a Jets fan though before Az got the cardinals . Strong was really good for AZ State.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:05 PM) Havent studied up on strong for the Texans but will have to since the announcers said he hasnt played much. I want to know if he has been injured or not performing. He has good hands and size
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:08 PM) I actually was debating on starting the Colts witth Jets D on bye week glad I dropped them. Wasn't much to choose from. Some decent defenses but bad matchups. took a chance on the Jags this week hoping they can shut down Tampa
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:10 PM) Oh and thanks for that 115. people took it wrong. we were simply debating our opinions with passion for our love of football with no animosity and people took it wrong. Easy to misunderstand texts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 11:21 AM) yeah people don't realize it's ok to disagree on the internet without it being 2 people hating each other lol
RetireChrebet Icon : (Today, 12:30 PM) I think if the defense touches a live football in the end zone, period, it should be ruled a touchback.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Today, 12:30 PM) Talking about fumbles, not passes, of course.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Today, 12:31 PM) That's the simplest way to combat any confusion about the rule.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Today, 12:32 PM) If you don't like that rule, then don't fumble in the end zone your trying to score in.
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Posted 19 November 2008 - 08:56 AM

Challange for the Jets is Psychological- NY Times

The night before the Jets’ monster win at New England, Ty Law, a day into his Jets tenure, stood before his new teammates and told them what the Patriots thought of them. It was an eye-opening perspective from someone who knew.

Law spent 10 seasons with New England, 1995-2004, winning three Super Bowl rings and often putting himself on the delivering end of knockout blows that either derailed the Jets or sent them deeper into the abyss.

“The message I gave to the guys last night was — and I used the word we — was that we thought that if we played you guys in the fourth quarter and if we kept it tight, no matter what happened, y’all were going to find a way to lose,” Law said.

“We felt we had the psychological advantage on you, that no matter what the case was, no matter who was out on the field, we knew if we played the Jets they’re going to find a way to lose and we were going to find a way to win, and that’s just the mentality. I told them you have to go out there and take it, because they’re not going to give you anything.”

Law was nearly responsible for letting Thursday night’s game become another Jets nightmare. After playing brilliantly, mostly against Randy Moss, Law was beaten when Moss made a stellar catch in the end zone with one second left in regulation.

Shaun Ellis, the defensive end who has played all nine of his N.F.L. seasons with the Jets, said that when he saw Moss make the catch he reverted to “same old Jets” mode.

“Truthfully, what I thought was, Here we go again,” Ellis said. “We’ve been in that situation so many times with Brady ending up hurting you. Today, it just happened to be Cassel.”

The Jets never had the superior quarterback when Tom Brady, out for the season with a left knee injury, was leading the Patriots. The difference between past Jets collapses and their triumph Thursday night over Matt Cassel and New England is that now, with Brett Favre, they do.

“It’s more of a state of mind,” Law said. “We have so much talent in this room that if we can put it all together, there’s no telling what we can do.”

When the Patriots were on top of the league, bolstered by skilled veterans, they never played down to the level of inferior opponents. The Jets lost to a poor Oakland Raiders team on Oct. 19 and nearly lost to an even worse Kansas City Chiefs team a week later.

“When you are more talented, you have to play like the more talented team,” Law said.

“One thing we learned over in that other locker room,” he added, nodding in the direction of the Patriots, “is that we knew how to play above the competition. Even if we knew the competition was less, we expected to go out and prove that that other team was a lesser talent. When we played a talented team, we were going to play to our level. That’s what teams have to learn to do.”

The Giants have learned how to do that. Now it’s the Jets’ turn.

On Thursday night, the Jets were on the verge of breaking open the game. The Patriots made some adjustments, and the Jets might have pulled back emotionally.

“When they’re down, kick ’em,” Law said. “That’s what we have to learn here. We had them down like that, but we didn’t kick ’em. We didn’t do that tonight.”

The challenge of playing in New York is maintaining a sense of scale: every game is made into a mountain, into a defining moment. Jets Coach Eric Mangini, to his credit, often attempts to minimize the moment in a way that is reminiscent of Duane Thomas.

You normally wouldn’t pair Mangini, the 37-year-old coach, and Thomas, 61, the running back who, after the 1971 season, helped lead the Dallas Cowboys to their first Super Bowl victory and confounded the news media with stony silence — or cryptic messages, when he did speak. In fact, Thomas refused to speak with Cowboys players, coaches or management during that entire ’71 season.

His most famous line came during the buildup to Super Bowl VI, when a reporter asked him how it felt to play in the ultimate game. Thomas replied, “If it’s the ultimate game, why are they playing it again next year?”

Mangini doesn’t put things quite like that, but his daily message is that no one game is bigger than any other. The victory over the Patriots was huge, but it was not the ultimate. A loss would not have decimated the team, and the victory does not represent a sea change. A victory here does not validate the trade for Favre; the trade was validated the instant it was consummated because Favre is one of the greatest quarterbacks in N.F.L. history.

But beating a hobbled, Brady-less Patriots team in November is not all that is expected from Favre. He was brought in to help lead the Jets to their first Super Bowl championship in 40 seasons. That’s the difference between climbing a hill and scaling a mountain.

Meanwhile, the Jets must undergo an emotional transformation that will carry them from identifying with the league’s bottom feeders to identifying with the N.F.L. elite. This is not an easy task.

As Duane Thomas told the news media more than 30 years ago, as Eric Mangini says on a daily basis now and as Ty Law told the Jets on Wednesday, the ultimate is simply the next game.

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 03:10 PM

Thats one thing hopfully we learn... when you have crippled a beast you just don't walk away and turn your back. Pull out the machete and put it out of it's misery. Hopefully the Jets have learnt this in this past game in New England!

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