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azjetfan Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:07 PM) Dolphins have also fired their DC
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:24 PM) I am composed. 115 and I may see things differently but he has never pissed me off. He is just trying to make his point of view and I mine nothing more
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:25 PM) I just feel the rule is a very bad rule to give the offense the ball back for losing the ball in the endzone because of a batted ball and feel the NFL is far to offense firendly these days thats all
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:27 PM) I know many agree with that. I get that many changes have been made to limit things like brain damage and other injuries some season ending and career ending but defenses cant play hard like they used to and pathetic calls on defenses have ruinbed many games.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:29 PM) Thats why brought up the Jets Fish game. The balls were clearly uncatcahable and a light tug on the jersey shouldn't be a pi. Whatever happened to the uncatchable ball rule?"
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:33 PM) and as far as that montage I did have ESPN on for 2 hours after the game because I wanted to see all the reactions and get a clear understanding of this old rule and I never saw a bunch of clips where flags were thrown for the play in question. So I asked for proof. If it was on ESPN it wasn't on ESPN1 maybe ESPN 2 ,3 or news. Its not wrong or brutal to ask for proof when he stated he saw it on ESPN I had the channel on and didn't see what he claimed he saw and still haven't seen any video of proof of his claims
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:36 PM) But as I said not mad at all. 115 and I are cool and always have been Ive never been mad at him in anyway. This is a fan forum and we dispute. If we all agreed on everything there would be no point of the forum. Disputes on stats and calls make things interesting, and makes each of use see things from different points of view
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) it was on whatever channel the game itself came on
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) and for the record I don't have any issue with anything rob said. I just disagree with it
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) I do think rules are too offense friendly, but I think in this case, when someone blatently breaks a rule ti should be punished
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) but then again pacman got away with ripping off a players helmet and didn't get a penatly
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) refs need to be more consistent
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:04 PM) Hell yeah! Pac 12 AZ State Jaelen Strong. Not a Texans fan but and dont watch a ton of college football but do watch the Pac 12 for football and basketball growing up in Phoenix and also a Suns fan and liking the Cardinals since they moved to AZ .Was a Jets fan though before Az got the cardinals . Strong was really good for AZ State.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:05 PM) Havent studied up on strong for the Texans but will have to since the announcers said he hasnt played much. I want to know if he has been injured or not performing. He has good hands and size
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:08 PM) I actually was debating on starting the Colts witth Jets D on bye week glad I dropped them. Wasn't much to choose from. Some decent defenses but bad matchups. took a chance on the Jags this week hoping they can shut down Tampa
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:10 PM) Oh and thanks for that 115. people took it wrong. we were simply debating our opinions with passion for our love of football with no animosity and people took it wrong. Easy to misunderstand texts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:21 AM) yeah people don't realize it's ok to disagree on the internet without it being 2 people hating each other lol
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:30 PM) I think if the defense touches a live football in the end zone, period, it should be ruled a touchback.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:30 PM) Talking about fumbles, not passes, of course.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:31 PM) That's the simplest way to combat any confusion about the rule.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:32 PM) If you don't like that rule, then don't fumble in the end zone your trying to score in.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 02:21 PM) it's gotta be possession.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 04:03 PM) I know what the rule is. In proposing a rule change. Evidently, the way it is now is too complicated. If a defense touches a live football in the end zone it should be their ball at the 20. Problem solved.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 04:03 PM) I'm*
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 04:44 PM) what if the defense touches it whole trying tor ecover but doens't get it and the offense jumps on it first?
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 05:56 PM) You may not agree with it 115 but the way I look at it is if the offense recovered it it would be a touchdown. Its ok for a punter, qb, or rb ,etc. to deliberately take a safety so they dont get a punt blocked for a td or to avoid giving the ball up on the 1-2 yard line giving up a near definite td. An also those safeties by the O sometimes saves the game because giving up 2 instead of 7 keeps the game in reach at times.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:03 PM) Thats why I disagree with the rule. The offense gets the breaks of only giving up 2 points on O. but when fumbkling into the endzone and out it is always ruled a touchback even if the defender or O tries to recoiver the ball in the endzone and the ball goes out of bounds. Thats why I think batting the ball out of the endzone should still be a touchback instead of giving the ball back to the O that fumbled the ball into the endzone. Just dont feel that they should get a chance to get the ball back for an almost automatic td when they fumbled into the endzone just because of a batted ball. Its something that could litterally cause the defense that made a great play to lose simply because of a vbatted ball. Yet if they try to recover it it and it goes out its a touchback. I just feel its to game changing and a bad rule to give the O the ball back after they messed up bad because that play was the difference between a win and loss. The O fumbles so giving the O the ball back is like saying your great def play was worthless.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:04 PM) Just feel that its a bad rule since it would have almost definitely changed the game winner.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:08 PM) Just to many good rules for the O these days and to many bad rules for the D. this isn't college where offense dominates in most games. In the pros I want to see an equal playing field and not how its become so offensive friendly. Our own Jets have lost a lot of games on defensive calls alone after stopping the O. 3rd down and a mile and a penalty cost a 1st down and in many cases the game for us. Basically that's why I'm against the rule. I want an equal playing field in the pros nothing more.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:26 PM) Offense is in control of the ball, they should have that option. Both teams get to play offense it's not unfiar
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:26 PM) a major defensive play is more game changing then a major offensive play too.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:26 PM) turnover ratio is better linked to win/loss then any other stat
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:27 PM) even in your case the offense gives up 2 point and posession back with good field position and ball control
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:33 PM) Lets just a agree to disagree on this topic. We both see the situation different and neither of us will budge on this. best we just let it go and see if the NFL starts enforcing the rule more or changes it at some point. Either way. All the coaches and players in the league now know the rule so I doubt it will deliberately happen again any time soon....but then again who knows...in the games there are a lot of stupid fouls out of frustration, taunting, etc.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:34 PM) And the fans and officials are now aware of a rule almost no one but the officials knew.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:37 PM) Heck Im upset that we arent 4-0 right now with all thr mistakes against the Eagles and still almost coming back. I feel we need every win we can get especially with the Bills looking decent and always having to deal with the pats every year. Be nice to win the division for once. So tired of seeing the Pats win and get a bye almost every year.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:12 PM) Why do the Jets DBs have to talk about the Giants WRs!!? Why can't they just worry about our own team.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:13 PM) I think all jets fans remember the last time our DBs talked crap about a Giants WR..
MikeGangGree... Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:13 PM) The jets should just worry about the Jets!!
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:29 AM) jets and giants players hang out all the time
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:29 AM) i'm sure they dont care lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:24 AM) well bills won, we need a win this week to stay inn 2nd
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:25 AM) at least miami is pretty much done but we have to compete with NE and buffalo still
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:26 AM) as santana said, it's probably all in fun. most of these guys in the NFL are friends with players form other teams. I'm sure some jets/giants players are friends with each other
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Post icon  Posted 26 November 2008 - 09:16 AM

What a difference one year makes. At this time last season the Jets were one of the worst teams in the NFL, getting prepared to be shelled in Dallas on Thanksgiving Day. They had one of the worst Qbs in the league. The worst offensive line. A running back who looked like he didnít care. A defensive line that got stood up as soon as the ball was snapped. Linebackers who werenít even trying. A coaching staff that looked lost. It was a disaster.

And now one year later the Jets return home as arguably the best team in the AFC. One of the best Qbs in the NFL. The best offensive line in the AFC. A running back that looks like a different man. A defensive line that spends more time in the opponents backfield than on their backs. Linebackers that are playing aggressively. And a coaching staff that has found something special over these last 4 weeks. The Jets will be looking to build on these 4 weeks and keep their position on top of the AFC East as they match up with the AFC West leading Denver Broncos.

Jets Defense vs. Broncos Offense

After a fast start where the Broncos scored at least 34 points in their first three games, their offense has completely fizzled out managing over 20 points just twice in their last 8 games. The Broncos are somewhat over-reliant on their young QB Jay Cutler. Cutler has a super strong arm and physical tools that make scouts drool, but for all the yardage the team throws for they do not have an easy time scoring the points that should go along with all those yards. Cutler has plenty of weapons at his disposal. WR Brandon Marshall looks to be another in a long line of headcases at the position, but he is extremely talented. He has the ability to stretch the field and has great size. He is 5th in the NFL in receiving. Rookie Eddie Royal is very dangerous and has already had some monster games with over 150 yards receiving. He is not as consistent as Marshall, but for a rookie does a very good job of getting open underneath. Brandon Stokley is still a good third down receiver that will catch the ball over the middle and their Teís do provide for tough matchup problems. Daniel Graham is a great red zone target while Tony Scheffler has the ability to really make some long catches for a tight end. After years and years of dominant running games the Broncos running game has fizzled out. They are trying to find the right combination out there and the run has become more of a side note in the offense than a focus of the offense. The running game in Denver leaves something to be desired. Peyton Hillis, a north south type runner, will get the bulk of the carries. Selvin Young, if he is recovered from a groin injury, should get some carries as well. Both players have been productive, but that is more from teams willing to give up some ground gains to defend the pass than it is from either being good players.

The Jets defense, having dominated three of the last four weeks, will look to make a statement that their much maligned pass defense is not as bad as people think it is. The Jets have been torn to shreds by premier and not so premier passing offenses, and this is looking like the one Achilles heel that the team may have this season. Denver is a tough matchup for the Jets in this respect as they run an offense that can make you cover so many receivers on any given play. The teams first task will be to find a way to limit what Brandon Marshall can do. The Jets may try to switch the coverage on him to not allow him to get used to one coverage option. Darrelle Revis matches up best for him and can use the sidelines to keep him in check, but the one poor game he had this year was against Dwayne Bowe, someone similar to Marshall in that he is much bigger and more physical than Revis. Ty Law could potentially be used to bang him at the line and then pass him off to a safety. Law doesnít have the ability to keep up with Marshall if made to play single coverage with him. Most likely Law will spend most of the time harassing Royal at the line of scrimmage. Where the rest of the pass defense comes from is the big question. Stokley can provide the same problems that the Jets had with Jabar Gaffney against the Patriots. Hank Poteat might be the best option. Dwight Lowery has major problems and the other options are the awful Drew Coleman and even more awful Ahmad Carroll. The Jets could try David Barrett out there, but it looks like he may be used to try to cover one of the tight ends. Barrett was out there last Sunday trying to cover the Titan tight ends and he looked clueless, but that may be his best job out there. If the Broncos can get Scheffler matched up on a linebacker he can probably make a few big catches where he just outruns the slower Jets players. Keeping an eye on Graham in the red zone is something the staff has to drill into the heads of the players in practice.

It is unlikely that the Broncos can run on the Jets and its not very likely that they even try to do it. The way Kris Jenkins is playing in the middle makes it impossible to get a run game going. He could play a big role in getting to Cutler. While Cutler has hardly been touched this year, most of his sacks have come against 34 teams where the nose is holding up the interior allowing either and end to slip into the backfield or one of the linebackers to get to Cutler. Teams usually donít blitz from the secondary on the Broncos because of all the weapons they possess, but the Jets best blitz packages often come from the secondary and they might take a chance to two to set the tone of the game. One of the other major questions is if the Broncos will try and attack the Jets weak points in the passing game or will wait until it is too late to hit those secondary targets. When Cutler takes the field his first thought is to go long and his second thought is to go longer. If he is not patient enough to find the Stokleyís of the team over and over to keep the chains moving they will likely not have much success.

Jets Offense vs. Broncos Defense

Quite simply the Denver defense is a joke. In 6 games this year they have given up 30 points, many of which were against teams that donít usually score much anything, and only twice have held a team under 20 points. Denver constantly uses a rotation of players up front refusing to settle on a set group of players which has seemed to hurt them the last few years. The interior defense is extremely vulnerable to the run. Their tackles, led by former Jet DeWayne Robertson, just do not get any penetration or any hands on the runners to slow them down. DE Elvis Dumerville is a pass rushing specialist and has made that an area that teams are just pounding on with the run. Runners are easily getting around the corner and guards or tackles are able to get to the second level and block for their man. Things have gotten extremely bad since LB DJ Williams went down with an injury in early November. Williams was their leading tackler and one person that could at least get to the runner. He will sit this game out. None of the other linebackers are worth much anything. The team invested a lot of money in their secondary and they certainly have talent in Champ Bailey, one of the best corners of his generation, and Dre Bly, but the results just have not paid off as Denver would have liked. Bailey has missed the prior few games with a groin injury but is expected to play against the Jets, though he will not be 100%. The depth behind those two is poor, The Broncos safeties have been a concern all year. They get lost in coverage and donít offer run support either. Between the lack of pass rush and lack of talent the Broncos get thrown on at will. Overall the team is giving up a staggering 69.9% completion percentage to the opposition.

The Jets are the best offense in the AFC and the Broncos will have a hard time keeping up with this unit. The offense showed glimpses during the first half of the season, but now has everyone on the same page and is firing on all cylinders seemingly every time they touch the football. The offensive line has done an outstanding job of controlling the game for the Jets. They have dominated the last four opponents including the top ranked defense in the NFL. They should be able to continue their success this weekend in controlling the Broncos linemen and opening huge holes for Rbs Thomas Jones and Leon Washington. Jones should be able to churn out big run after big run to control the clock while Washington is going to be a major threat to score going off tackle on either a sweep or screen. The Broncos have to be well aware of the challenge posed by Brett Favre this week as well. Their secondary has been efficiently dismantled by the names of Brady Quinn, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Ryan, and David Garrard and now they will face one of the best in Favre. The Broncos will have an extremely tough time matching up with the Jets receivers. In recent weeks they have had all kinds of problems matching up with any type of speed which will allow Favre to take a few chances with Coles and do not be surprised if Chansi Stuckey sees him name called. Dustin Keller, quickly developing into a major threat for the Jets, is going to get his chances as well as Denver does not do a great job covering the tight ends. The Jets can attack this defense through the air either with the short timing patterns of recent weeks or with 20+yard patterns designed to quickly move the team down the field. Offensively this has the makings of a run and pass for 200 type of game.

Special Teams

Denver does not do a great job covering kicks and it has been a problem for them this season in their shootout type of games. They have given up one punt return for a touchdown and one kickoff for a touchdown and rank right near the bottom of the NFL in return yards allowed. Washington will be looking to break one early on to give the Jets the advantage. Royal can be a dangerous returner for the Broncos if the Jets are not careful.

Denverís field goal kicker is in a funk and can not seem to find his way between the uprights anymore. He has a big leg and has made 5 field goals over 50 yards, but right now is not reliable from anywhere. Jay Feely looks to have locked down the position for the Jets for the rest of the season while Reggie Hodges has done well enough in the limited amount of times he is asked to punt. At the end of the day, the Jets should clearly have the advantage in special teams.


There are times when great coaches just can no longer move forward with a team and that is where Mike Shanahan is at in Denver. He has lost to both the Chiefs and Raider this year which is about as bad as it can get for a coach. Denver has missed the playoffs two years in a row under Shanahan and will only make it this year by default as the rest of the West is simply that much worse than Denver. Shanahan has made a mess of the defense and has not really helped Cutler turn the corner from being a fantasy QB to a winning QB in his 3 years in the NFL. Shanahan is a great coach, but ever since the switch from Jake Plummer to Cutler the team has done nothing but underachieve.

Eric Mangini can put a mark on his resume with a win this week. Bill Belichick, Jeff Fisher, Mike Shanahan- back to back to back wins. That is a great accomplishment. The Jets have done a great job these last four games in their preparation for the games and have come out looking much better prepared than their opponents to start every game which says a great deal about the preparation Mangini and his staff are bringing to the games. There is still that worry about how the team calls the defense from ahead, and Denver will be a challenge for Mangini in that they bring some of the same strengths that New England and Arizona brought when playing from far behind.


The Jets will get a huge ovation when they take the field this week and deservedly so. The 12th man will make this an environment early on that can really hurt the Denver Broncos both offensively and defensively. If they can not take the crowd out early it may be a long day for the Broncos. Denver is not a very good road team and is constantly giving up a boatload of points away from home, while the Jets have been a dominant team at home, especially offensively. Anyway you slice it that is a very hard matchup for the Broncos.

Can the Jets lay down this week? Itís doubtful. The team doesnít have anything wrapped up and everything the team is saying seems to show that they are looking at the much bigger picture and they know the bigger picture means winning out. Would a loss hurt the Jets this week? Not too much. They would still be in the lead of the AFC East and would either remain tied for the second seed or be one step closer to the division if the Steelers beat the Patriots. So the sky isnít falling if things do not go the Jets way, but certainly a win puts the Jets in a very powerful position in the AFC.

For Denver to win this game they are going to have to score in the 30s and the way the Jets defense is playing combined with the way the offense dominates the football it will be hard to imagine them doing it. The Broncos just do not seem mentally strong enough to go into a hostile environment and beat a quality team on the road. I know I said Iíd pick against them just to keep the streak alive, but it is very hard to make a case for Denver this week. Jets in a romp. Have a Happy ThanksgivingÖ

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 10:10 AM

Jets just need to use the same formula they did against the Titans, run the ball, eat the clock up, and don't let them score when they get on the field.

Shanahan is overrated and has been living off SB wins from 10 years ago.
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Posted 26 November 2008 - 02:02 PM

I agree this game really shouldn't be a contest but you never know, they have to show up because this is a potential trap game (is that term usable in the NFL?) coming off a big win against an undefeated team.
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Posted 26 November 2008 - 02:30 PM

Great read. I didnt agree with the Jets having one of the worst qb`s in the NFL statement but it is hard to argue with a 4-12 record last year.

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 09:06 AM

Honestly...as inconsistent as the broncos have been...if that offense is on this will be a challenge. The bronc's actually scare me more than the titans. When will a team try to spread this jets defense out for a whole game? When we are up big and teams are forced to pass teams have driven down the field with ease at times. This may be the game in which we see someone try to beat us with this type of game plan. Teams know they can't run on us so why even try? Their defense has not been great but if this game turns into a shoot out the team with the ball last could win. even though they were killed against the raiders...shutting down this offense would be another step in proving that this jets team is for real.

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