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azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 07:55 PM) I'm still on board with the Idzik plan. Even with Revis and Revis we still are not going to the SB this year. But the down time sucks. If Milliner comes back healthy by week 3 or so we should be fine.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 08:18 PM) Regardless of our SB chances this year or next year. If Idzik keeps acting like a cheapskate and continues to let quality players go, we won't have to worry about winning much of anything this decade.
azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) He wants to build through the draft. Not blow the bank on FA. I get what your saying but there is a balance and right now we are not one or two pieces away.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:00 PM) It's not about being one or two pieces away. It's about keeping the good pieces you have and building upon that.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:04 PM) But there is no sense in trying to build through the draft if he's only going to end up letting the good players he picks up go in FA after a few years. All because he wants to do things on the cheap.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:02 AM) FIRE IDZIK
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:33 AM) out side of Revis who left we should have kept?
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:34 AM) The Revis deal sucks but $16 million was too much for a CB and once he was gone he was not coming back.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 11:00 AM) Matt Slauson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:00 PM) Eh. I think with our current cap situation we will be able to retain guys like Wilkerson and whomever we want to keep. We are in a good position right now.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:49 PM) Time will tell.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:00 PM) landed revis abck. got DRC, nope we take patterson who got owned and always hurt. milner always hurt. 3rd round CB done for season. were gonna get passed on all day
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:44 PM) Yea the DRC bit makes me iffy
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 03:35 PM) better then patterson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:45 PM) No I mean the fact that he whiffed on him.
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:46 PM) I'm not saying Idzik is perfect. I just like the direction we are heading. It's going to take some patience.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:27 PM) I like how our lack of secondary is the hot topic right now. The bigger issue is we still will not be able to throw the ball. We are not going to do much of anything regardless until we get a QB. Sorry for being so negative just my honest opinion.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:29 PM) With that said I think our running game with CJ and Powell will be top 10 or somewhere around there
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:35 PM) i have faith that if geno messes up that vick can come in and do well. but i have 0 faith in our secondary right now which has been our strong point for the past 4 years or so
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:35 PM) I agree 115. but the one thing is Rex has done some good things in the past with shitty DBs and still had a solid D going back to his years in BAL
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:37 PM) Corey Ivy CB
36 Jim Leonhard SS/PR
43 Haruki Nakamura FS
25 Evan Oglesby CB
20 Ed Reed FS
22 Samari Rolle CB
39 Daren Stone FS
41 Frank Walker CB
31 Fabian Washington in 2008
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:39 PM) Reed is a HOF but Rolle was way past his prime
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) SNOOPY BOWL FRIDAY!!!
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:26 PM) I assume we will pick up a guy after the cuts happen.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 10:14 PM) we'll see but I think we see better QB play than we have in a while.
518-JeTS-FaN Icon : (20 August 2014 - 08:54 AM) disgusted with my local programming, instead of jets and giants they are airing the raiders vs packers..wtf
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 09:23 AM) Glad I don't live up there anymore haha
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The JETS are #6 in the Forbes List for most franchise value
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The Buffalo Jills are #31 and the Miami Dolphags are #16 respectively
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 07:00 PM) The JETS are worth $1.8 billion
jet-man Icon : (20 August 2014 - 10:03 PM) that's less than the clippers
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 01:07 PM) I'm very excited with the amount of preseason touchdowns the Jets have
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 03:21 PM) FIRE IDZIK
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 07:22 PM) Calvin Pryor and Darrin Walls will start tomorrow
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 08:52 PM) The SIMPSONS MARATHON has been on for almost 12 hours...
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 08:57 PM) Sanchez looks so much more confident and better in Chip's offense than he did with us
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 09:50 PM) EVERY SIMPSONS EVER!!!!!
2JBallar01 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:10 AM) Sanchez is looking good for the eagles. Crazy how a good offense and the right system can make you look so much better. When you're put into a situatuon to succeed, magic happens. Happy for Sanchez, i think he needed a change just as much as the Jets did.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:02 AM) Preseason doesn't matter at all
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:10 AM) anyone have a stream for the preseaosn agme by chance?
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:06 PM) Don't read to much into Mark in the preseason. He usually looked good in the preseason even in a Jets uniform.. Big difference from regular season where the 1st string defense is playing 100%.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:09 PM) A lot of 1st stringers are just getting reps in and trying not to get injured. Its only the backups trying to keep or get a job playing hard every down. If preseason qb play meant anything then Matt Simms would be the starting qb of the Jets.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 12:00 AM) In Geno we trust
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 07:23 AM) preseason or not, our offense hasn't looked competent in a while like it does this year. our rushing attack should be very good. Chris Johnson and Chris Ivory could be a dynamic duo
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Posted 08 December 2008 - 01:09 AM

The pressure is on S-Dubb. Let's see the glass half full on this one. Some of you guys pounded me for my Cowher avatar and my attitude towards this coaching staff. Especially you buddy! drinks.gif

It's all good though, I'm just curious to see how you now see this team.
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Posted 08 December 2008 - 01:16 AM

QUOTE (SignalZero @ Dec 8 2008, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The pressure is on S-Dubb. Let's see the glass half full on this one. Some of you guys pounded me for my Cowher avatar and my attitude towards this coaching staff. Especially you buddy! drinks.gif

It's all good though, I'm just curious to see how you now see this team.


you run this site? i am not saying you should view it through rose colored glasses but you suck. ban me please if you must but you are "the typical Jet fan". Your posts are always 'the sky is falling'. Yes, I realize the jets are like that much of the time but they are 8-5 and tied for the division lead right now. Yuu probably predicted them to win 6 games htis year if I looked back.
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Posted 08 December 2008 - 01:33 AM

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you run this site? i am not saying you should view it through rose colored glasses but you suck. ban me please if you must but you are "the typical Jet fan". Your posts are always 'the sky is falling'. Yes, I realize the jets are like that much of the time but they are 8-5 and tied for the division lead right now. Yuu probably predicted them to win 6 games htis year if I looked back.



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Posted 08 December 2008 - 01:38 AM

Well Sig I guess your a fortune teller because I atleast gave them the benefit of the doubt. The only time you show up is when the team is doing bad and you couldn't give them props when they put together good games. But I know I'll always see ya when their going through the sh*t. This time is no different.

With that said... There possibly can't be no spin on this. The Jets are trash and this season "looked" promising. Again they have taken my heart, rip it out of my chest and stomped on it again. I'm not sure at 30 how much more I can take. It doesn't matter who we have on this team. It doesn't matter if we have Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or a shut out defense. This team is cursed... PERIOD! We always play not to lose. It's sickening!!.. Honestly I'm so exhausted and it's my own fault. I felt after us winning 7 of 8 and beating the Pats and Titans that we found our way. Well I was wrong and I'm just soooo tired of rooting for this team. I try with every bone in my body to remain positive but I just can't do it anymore. There is no passion.. were flat!!. Were like little kids in a mens league.

I watched the Cowboys/Steeler game and I just get jelous. Real 3-4 defenses just going toe to toe.. I salivate watching a team (like Pittsburg) come ready to fight every week. Their amped up!!, their coach is awesome. It's great to see Tomlin out there chest bumping players and getting hyped up. Watching the tenacity of their defense play hard for their fans and it's not like we don't have the talent. Our coaching just flat out sucks. I'm not going to put everything on Mangini but Bob Sutton is a piece of sh*t. If I seen him on the street I'd spit on this guy! We have major problems with coaching and I don't know who to blame for it. Is it Mangini?... is it Sutton?... We play too much man coverage and we constantly get beat over and over and over again. Does Mangini not see whats going on?.. This game falls on the coaching Mangini included and so did the Denver loss.

I feel like I've been abused. I felt so positive these last few weeks. I wasn't thinking superbow,l I was just thinking a good hard fought playoff run. This team is lost, The coaching staff is lost and in turn the players are lost. This is the beginning of the end of a pretty good season. The Jets don't deserve to be affiliated with the playoffs. We were on top of the world 2 weeks ago and in charge of our own destiny. Now what?.. we'll be fighting for a wild card?.. F*ck this team.. I'm so tired!



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Posted 08 December 2008 - 05:35 AM

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Posted 08 December 2008 - 07:02 AM

QUOTE (S-Dubb @ Dec 8 2008, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well Sig I guess your a fortune teller because I atleast gave them the benefit of the doubt. The only time you show up is when the team is doing bad and you couldn't give them props when they put together good games. But I know I'll always see ya when their going through the sh*t. This time is no different.

With that said... There possibly can't be no spin on this. The Jets are trash and this season "looked" promising. Again they have taken my heart, rip it out of my chest and stomped on it again. I'm not sure at 30 how much more I can take. It doesn't matter who we have on this team. It doesn't matter if we have Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or a shut out defense. This team is cursed... PERIOD! We always play not to lose. It's sickening!!.. Honestly I'm so exhausted and it's my own fault. I felt after us winning 7 of 8 and beating the Pats and Titans that we found our way. Well I was wrong and I'm just soooo tired of rooting for this team. I try with every bone in my body to remain positive but I just can't do it anymore. There is no passion.. were flat!!. Were like little kids in a mens league.

I watched the Cowboys/Steeler game and I just get jelous. Real 3-4 defenses just going toe to toe.. I salivate watching a team (like Pittsburg) come ready to fight every week. Their amped up!!, their coach is awesome. It's great to see Tomlin out there chest bumping players and getting hyped up. Watching the tenacity of their defense play hard for their fans and it's not like we don't have the talent. Our coaching just flat out sucks. I'm not going to put everything on Mangini but Bob Sutton is a piece of sh*t. If I seen him on the street I'd spit on this guy! We have major problems with coaching and I don't know who to blame for it. Is it Mangini?... is it Sutton?... We play too much man coverage and we constantly get beat over and over and over again. Does Mangini not see whats going on?.. This game falls on the coaching Mangini included and so did the Denver loss.

I feel like I've been abused. I felt so positive these last few weeks. I wasn't thinking superbow,l I was just thinking a good hard fought playoff run. This team is lost, The coaching staff is lost and in turn the players are lost. This is the beginning of the end of a pretty good season. The Jets don't deserve to be affiliated with the playoffs. We were on top of the world 2 weeks ago and in charge of our own destiny. Now what?.. we'll be fighting for a wild card?.. F*ck this team.. I'm so tired!



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Posted 08 December 2008 - 07:12 AM

There is a 99% chance that Mangini is the HC of the NYJ next season. There is a 25% chance that Bob Sutton is the DC next season.
There is a 99% chance that Bill Cowher will NOT ever be our HC.

I think we can only hope that bringing in a new DC will solve the problem.
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Posted 08 December 2008 - 07:13 AM

QUOTE (titmouse @ Dec 8 2008, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you run this site? i am not saying you should view it through rose colored glasses but you suck. ban me please if you must but you are "the typical Jet fan". Your posts are always 'the sky is falling'. Yes, I realize the jets are like that much of the time but they are 8-5 and tied for the division lead right now. Yuu probably predicted them to win 6 games htis year if I looked back.

I would never ban you for stating your opinions. And no, I didn't predict 6 wins, I always look on the bright side until coach clueless proves me wrong yet again. How old are you? How long have you been a Jets fan? I have no idea but I can guarantee you that you haven't been suffering nearly as long as I have or you wouldn't have this attitude. The Jets suck me in every year and as much as I was crying about the sky was falling, I still actually believed we had a chance to turn it around and make this superbowl, but then we got exposed by two average teams in a row and we just weren't prepared. INEXCUSABLE. Good teams find a way to win, great teams find a way to dominate, we are neither. We have the players to compete at a high level, but not the coaches.
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Posted 08 December 2008 - 07:15 AM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Dec 8 2008, 07:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There is a 99% chance that Mangini is the HC of the NYJ next season. There is a 25% chance that Bob Sutton is the DC next season.
There is a 99% chance that Bill Cowher will NOT ever be our HC.

I think we can only hope that bringing in a new DC will solve the problem.

dude it's the same thing all over again with Herm. Herm couldn't coach and went through a whole new set of coordinators trying to pass the blame before we finally got rid of him. History repeats itself all over again.
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Posted 08 December 2008 - 07:58 AM

QUOTE (SignalZero @ Dec 8 2008, 07:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
dude it's the same thing all over again with Herm. Herm couldn't coach and went through a whole new set of coordinators trying to pass the blame before we finally got rid of him. History repeats itself all over again.


That is the thing about this team. It doesn't matter who the coach is, it doesn't matter who the GM is, it doesn't matter who the players are, it is always the wrong combination and we have to wait until the too soft owner whether it was Leon Hess or now Woody who develop insane loyalty to staff who have proven nothing. It will take a complete failure and a 1-16 season for him to realize he has the wrong people then they will make a change and bring in a new coach who will say he doesn't have his people, they will tear down the team and rebuild it only to find out the coach does not know what he is doing then the whole process starts again. It never ends it is a cycle of failure. The only one I give a bit of a pass to is Tannenbaum becuase I think he has done a pretty good job for the most part. He filled every need Mangini wanted including getting rid of Vilma who, as wqe are seeing now would have been a damn sight better it covering those short passes than a bunch of converted down lineman. I am 46 and have been with the Jets since I first started watching football I was too young to really appreciate that win so I have spent my life rooting for a perennial loser. I am starting to feel like one myself rooting for such a disappointing team. Some how though I will not avert my eyes and will continue to be there every Sunday but frankly I can't explain why.
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Posted 08 December 2008 - 08:39 AM

QUOTE (SignalZero @ Dec 8 2008, 07:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would never ban you for stating your opinions. And no, I didn't predict 6 wins, I always look on the bright side until coach clueless proves me wrong yet again. How old are you? How long have you been a Jets fan? I have no idea but I can guarantee you that you haven't been suffering nearly as long as I have or you wouldn't have this attitude. The Jets suck me in every year and as much as I was crying about the sky was falling, I still actually believed we had a chance to turn it around and make this superbowl, but then we got exposed by two average teams in a row and we just weren't prepared. INEXCUSABLE. Good teams find a way to win, great teams find a way to dominate, we are neither. We have the players to compete at a high level, but not the coaches.


I think coach clueless is a proper name for him. I'm 16 years old I've seen Vinny, Chad, Brett, coach Sperm, and Mangini and co. Every time I get hope maybe we'll make a run the Jets play like same old Jets, at least I worked the past two Sunday's instead of sitting home yelling at my TV
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Posted 08 December 2008 - 10:00 AM

You're all a bunch of negative Nancy's here.

Every team goes into a slump. Even the 16-0 2007 Patriots. Remember they had a couple weeks last year where they nearly lost. They didn't because they were juggernauts, though.

It's just unfortunate that we ran into our slump right now. There's no real place to throw the blame in this game, because it falls on everyone the same.

The guys came out flat and the coaches called a conservative game. We sent no heat at Shaun fuckin Hill, and let Isaac Bruce scorch us. I don't know what's going on with the pass defense. We've got rushers, a shutdown CB, a Pro Bowl Caliber Safety, another CB that could go to the hall of fame... and we get exposed.

The loss sucks. They always do. But we're STILL in first. We got Buffalo next week, and the sky hasn't fallen yet.

It hurts going from potential Super Bowl contenders to questionable for the postseason... but if we make it into the playoffs, it's anybody's game.

There's no way to spin yesterday's game for a positive outlook. The performances were pathetic all around. But there's no need to go spiraling out of control just yet.
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Posted 08 December 2008 - 10:01 AM

QUOTE (SignalZero @ Dec 8 2008, 07:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
dude it's the same thing all over again with Herm. Herm couldn't coach and went through a whole new set of coordinators trying to pass the blame before we finally got rid of him. History repeats itself all over again.

I think people over estimate our talent a bit. But anyways good coordinators can help.... Look at the Steelers, their HC Tomlin isn't that good. He looks clueless half the time, but his DC is the best in the business at what he does so it makes him look good by having such a dominant defense.

Our talent isn't that great on defense. We really don't have a stud pass rusher, Bryan Thomas was a complete bust before Mangini got here and turned him into a average player. Calvin Pace is above average LB but he isn't a great pass rusher.
With all the failures at HC did half of them know how to draft? At least Mangini/Tannenbaum have drafting/bringing in their players down. I'll say this, if we get a new DC and our defense still sucks dick. I will be off the Mangini bandwagon. But I think he deserves being able to get a quality DC first. Hopefully Romeo Crennel, I believe he would be the best fit here.


Our offensive problems I just don't understand. Our right side of our OL can't pass block, only Brick and Mangold are good at it. Our WR don't get open downfield(We should activate Clowney)
Favre seems like he can't get our WR the ball half the time.
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Posted 08 December 2008 - 10:08 AM

These are the perfect signature threads you guys should use for your new gridiron space. you can hide in there and become closet Jet Fans. the game was Pathetic .Leon's return was a thing of beauty the penalty was BS. there seems to be a demonic presence hovering over the NFL industry and black magic is performed over the players . I thought we had Bret Favre at QB and the Versatile defense is stuck in 8 man coverage with 5 guys wacthing 1 wr catch the ball.
the Giants didn't fair well either but they have a cushsion. cowboys lost thats a plus for me personally.
looks like the NFL want our devision to go down to the wire its great for ratings.
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Posted 08 December 2008 - 10:08 AM

I'm not sure why we keep abandoning the run. 10 carries for Jones? And we did the same last week? It's strange.
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Posted 08 December 2008 - 10:17 AM

The talent level is a bit overated by us no doubt 0099...on both sides of the ball. IMO the Gholston signing is becoming a major liability this season.. We can REALLY use a guy with fresh legs to get out there on passing downs and get pressure on the QB, not dance with the Offensive tackle!

Mangini doesn't impress me at all..

Favre looks like he hit a wall..

But we do have a playoff game next week at home against the Bills..
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Posted 08 December 2008 - 11:28 AM

QUOTE (Leon#29 @ Dec 8 2008, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The talent level is a bit overated by us no doubt 0099...on both sides of the ball. IMO the Gholston signing is becoming a major liability this season.. We can REALLY use a guy with fresh legs to get out there on passing downs and get pressure on the QB, not dance with the Offensive tackle!

Mangini doesn't impress me at all..

Favre looks like he hit a wall..

But we do have a [b]playoff game next week at home against the Bills..[/b]

Lets hope the Jets treat the final 3 games as playoff games because truth is if they lose one they are out of it now. Luckily we hold all tie breakers. So we HAVE to win the final 3 games to win the division.
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Posted 08 December 2008 - 01:19 PM

I actually don't think the talent on this team is overrated....i think it is just being used poorly by the coaching staff. Sutton shouldn't get all the blame....we need to share that with Schottenheimer too.

If you really think about it :

1. Offensive Line : better then the Steelers, Ravens, Pats, Miami, Broncos, and several other contenders
2. Running back : better then Steelers, Ravens, Pats, Broncos and several other contenders
3. Wide Receivers : better then Steerlers, Ravens, Miami, Tenn and several other contenders
4. Quarterback : better then Ravens, Miami (i hope), Tenn, Pats, and several other contenders

The game planning on offense changes week to week. Why, i don't understand.

- Run the ball with Thomas Jones 25 - 30 times a game.
- Run the ball with Leon Washington 5 - 10 times a game.
- Throw 5 - 7 screen plays to Jones & Washington combined.
- Throw 10 - 15 slants and curls a game to Coles, Cotch & Keller.

Pretty much the game plan. Lets see if teams can stop that week in and out. I would feel much better losing if I know we stuck to our strengths and a team beat us by stopping our strengths. What i can't stand is losing on a game plan that is just pathetic and doesn't fit what our team is built for

On defense...we have pretty much been exposed. Spreading out the field and matching up 3rd & 4th WRs & TEs on Linebackers & Safties is killing us.

Only way to fix being exposed is actually blitzing and applying pressure. I don't care if we don't even get a sack, but PLEASE...force some throws by pressure. We are giving QBs ALL THE TIME in the world....and there is only so long a CB can cover...let alone a Linebacker or Saftey.

The blueprint has been laid down by Belechek....spread offense will kill us since we don't apply pressure. This was exposed by New England in 2nd half of our game with them, exposed by Broncos, and now exposed by San Fran.

Luckily, the Bills don't have this ability or viable threats that make us worry about spread. But the Seahawks sure do as well as the Dolphins.

Only way to win now that teams have picked up on our weakness is to change the game plan and APPLY PRESSURE!
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 02:04 AM

our coachin just flat out sucks.... i mean u cant really blame the team for gettin deflated while their losin to teams they should be beatin...they prolly know it themselves that the coachin sucks...i mean i bet if we switched players wit the Patriots (not so much this years but u kno wat i mean),half of them would be in the probowl! i was hopin playoffs but not things are lookin kinda dimm...i feel sorry for you guys who have been goin thru this for 30+ years,ive only been here thru half that and its the same heartwrenchin jets each season...i just hope i get a superbowl win before i die,or my son goes to college,lol...
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 08:55 AM

Ya know what 28 years of falure just has taken its toll, I remember:
the '82 mud bowl in miami
not drafting Marino in '83
the 86 10-1 to 10-6
Rich Kotite
the fake spike
1-15, manning stays in school
up 10-0 and lose in Denver
Herm never playing to win.
Now this choke job
and so many more I did not list.

Some days I think I would rather be the Lyons so I could just not give a crap,
This team just keeps dragging you back in then screwing you over.

and no, I will not root for another team, I have a Jets tat, too much Jets crap and a heart, that sadly keeps getting broken.
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