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ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
santana Icon : (19 September 2016 - 08:08 AM) Thanks professor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (23 September 2016 - 03:55 PM) updated roster. FB howsare released, TE bowman added to roster
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 10:09 AM) BREAKING NEWS: Santana is a jinx during JETS games
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 11:40 AM) HUGE game today
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#1 User is offline   ozjet51 Icon

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 01:35 AM

i am being offered Westbrook, Franks and Ricky Williams for Steven Jackson and Jason Witten. What would you do?
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Posted 30 August 2005 - 05:30 AM

witch guys do u have.
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Posted 30 August 2005 - 06:43 AM

i have jackson and witten
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Posted 30 August 2005 - 07:08 AM

dont make that.jackson might have a big year so can witten.westbrook is ok.but rickywont start because brown will have it.
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Posted 30 August 2005 - 08:49 AM

depend on if u need another HB. i wouldn't count out rickey. espicially as a back-up being the goaline guy down there. if your league gives points for receptions than i say do it. westbrook is a top 3 back if u count receptions. i remember one game he had like 3 TDs and 13rec for over 100 yards and that wasn't including rushing either. if u don't count receptions its a tough call. i'm not sure jackson can flourish in that pass happy offense and piss poor defense. whitten could be a top TE but now with bledsoe in he doesn't throw to TEs as much as vinny did (remember how much vinny threw to becht for us) so his numbers should fall. franks just got a new deal so his numbers could go up. to make it short i say yes
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Posted 30 August 2005 - 09:12 AM

Even if your league counts receptions, it might not be worth it depending on how many points they get. Jackson is a huge stud in the making and could easily get in the 1200 rush yard and 400-500 recyard range. The Rams still dump off a lot of passes to their RBs, so he could get a lot. He has looked good receiving out of the back field this preseason, so expect good things from him.

Since Jason Witten is better than Franks (more yards, similars TDs) the trade comes down to how you rank Jackson vs WEstbrook and Williams. You could probably pick up a sleeper candidate as good as Williams out of the FA pool, so I would say no.
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Posted 30 August 2005 - 11:49 AM

Westbrook had over 70 rec last year, that’s 70 points right there. Faulk is gonna be the third down back and take away yards and Rec. Jackson might only get 15 carries a game and a few Rec. westbrook is the man in philly. Nobody behind him to take reps. Whitten will fall off. Bledsoe throws to WRs not Tes. Testeverde loves the TE that’s why whitten had a great year.

Westbrook only started 12 games last year and had 73rec for 703 yards and 812 rushing yards for a total yards of 1515 and a total of 9TDs now stretch that to 16 games and its 97rec. 2020 total yards and 12TDs. Plus with no real number 2 WR he will be counted on more as a receiver.

Jackson on the other hand is tough to judge but I guarantee faulk will get some touches. Jackson averaged 5 yards. Even if he keeps it up (he wont) and gets 15 carries a game (don’t expect more) it will be 1200 yards and his receiving yards won’t be enough to push him to over 2000 yards. Westbrook is very underrated. And all the TDs for them are aired out. bulger to holt and bruce not to the RBs really

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 10:38 PM

Not every league gives a full point for a single reception, some have a 1-5 ratio (etc). That is why I say it depends on how your league scores. There are so many FFLs that score differently it is hard to talk about it sometimes. In a 1-5 league, Westbrook scored a lot less. In my league it is 1-10 and double for "unconventional" TDs so he scored pretty well, but not in the top 15. It just depends. For example, in leagues that award points for rushing totals (mine gives points for every 20 carries) Westbrook has trouble competing with the top backs because he rarely ever gets to that number.

He also isn't a guy who will score you a lot of points in actual RB style. Last year he only managed two games with over 100 rushing yards and totaled 800 yards and 3 TDs. All in all, Westbrook only had 1500 total yards and 9 TDs. In an average fantasy football league (that doesn't have a 1-1 Points-receptions ratio), he just doesn't have the potential to be more than a decent number two.


Now for Jackson:

Faulk will get his touches, but they won't be goal line (Jackson is a better short yardage back) and he won't be the guy to run down the clock when the Rams need that (Jackson picks up positive yardage more consistantly). In the past, when the Rams had him healthy, Faulk would compile a lot of yards late in games when the team was ahead and the opposing defense wound down. He had about 50 yards in the 4th quarter one game.

Martz is going to make more of a commitment to the running game this season, particularly against the blitz (he ran on 6 of 7 plays against Detroit's blitz early in the game, right untill they backed off and stopped bringing pressure). He hasn't had a featured back the last few years, as Faulk has been injured and none of their back ups have stepped up enough. But Jackson is now "the guy" in St Louis and will get the lion's share of the carries. He may not get 20 a game

As for his receptions, like I said, the Rams always dump off a lot to their RBs. Last year, as a rookie, Jackson started just three games but had 189 receiving yards on 19 receptions. There is a lot of room to catch and run when Holt, Bruce, etc are all running deep patterns, and the St Louis backs have always been able to take advantage of this. During the three years Faulk started at least 14 games for the Rams, he averaged just over 60 yards, half a TD, and 5 receptions a game. Even half of those numbers still puts Jackson in the area of 400 yards and 4 TDs.

A lot of people outside of the St Louis area don't realise how dangerous the Rams offense will be this year now that it has a featured back (and, I'll add, Faulk coming into this season for the first time in three years without having offseason surgery). They also have the best OLine since their Super Bowl loss to the Patriots with everyone being in camp together throughout the preseason. The last time they had those this same Rams offense put up record and near record numbers.

Here are my (honest) predections (not overprojecting at all) for the Rams big offensive players (approx, rounded off):

Bulger: 4600passing yards, 35passingTDs, 14 INTs (70rushyards, 5rushTDs)
Holt: 1600 rec yards, 14 rec TDs
Bruce:1100rec yards, 7rec TDs
Curtis:600rec yards, 4rec TDs
Jackson:1250rushyards, 8rushTDs (400recyards, 4recTDs)
Faulk: 400 rush yards, 1rush TDs (250rec yards, 2 rec TDs)

That leaves some yards and TDs to go around to their TE and 4th/5th receivers.

And yes, I am serious about these numbers. The Rams are going to blow away some teams this year, and I'm looking at the 49ers and Seahawks as prime targets.

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Hell, this is long. Sorry, but I am really surprised at the lack of attention to the Rams offense. The media seems surprised at how good they looked against Detroit last Monday, but they shouldn't be.
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Posted 31 August 2005 - 02:13 AM

i have Jermaine Wiggens as backup TE and Duce Staley at HB. I probably wont make this trade, thanks for all the help
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Posted 31 August 2005 - 08:58 AM

in my league last year westbrook was the 3rd best scoring RB behind d.davis and t.barber. LT was 4th. it gives a point each reception
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Posted 02 September 2005 - 02:27 PM

witten is on the verge of something special dont do it bro

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