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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Posted 25 April 2009 - 08:27 PM

If we had stayed put, we could have had WR-Maclin and RB- McCoy (along with our DE)

That IS how you build a team...through the draft.


Not being negative, only bringing up another perspective. I just hope that Sanchez turns out to be the QB that the Gil Brandt's of the world's expect him to be....as Jet fans we ARE MORE THEN DUE...
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Posted 25 April 2009 - 08:32 PM

1. Leon Washington is a better version of McCoy. If we were looking at RB....we needed bigger.

2. Maclin : was never sold on him.

I agree you build your team through the draft BUT

1. We only gave up 1 pick...a 2nd rounder

2. Teams who build through the draft......still need a franchise QB. We took our shot today at one. If we already had a franchise QB on the team.....then I am all for keeping or stockpiling picks
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Posted 25 April 2009 - 08:36 PM

im kinda unsure about maclin now because of how far he fell into the first



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Posted 25 April 2009 - 08:39 PM

I'm just overall ticked about what went down today

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 08:43 PM

QUOTE (cmart=the best @ Apr 25 2009, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm just overall ticked about what went down today

Let me guees, youre not happy with sanchez. grimace-32.png
I wanted to wait and sit at 17 but when the move was made, I was happy. We really didn't give up a lot. We kept our #1 pick for 2010. You'll get over it.

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 09:13 PM

Obviously. He's chad 2.0 IMO and we have other holes on this team. Kellen wouldve done fine given that he actually has a o- line now and a running and COULDVE gotten new sure handed weapons if we didn't trade away our first and second round picks that where someone like maclin or britt or nicks couldve been picked. Hopefully sanchez won't take 2years to be NFL ready. Basically I think a main reason why this was done is to sell those damn psls.

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 09:19 PM

I rather get up there to get the man you feel is a franchise QB.
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Posted 25 April 2009 - 09:35 PM

QUOTE (Leon#29 @ Apr 25 2009, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If we had stayed put, we could have had WR-Maclin and RB- McCoy (along with our DE)

That IS how you build a team...through the draft.


Not being negative, only bringing up another perspective. I just hope that Sanchez turns out to be the QB that the Gil Brandt's of the world's expect him to be....as Jet fans we ARE MORE THEN DUE...


You mean like getting Pat Chung, Ron Brace and Darius Butler while accumulating more picks to address all your needs? Nah, that's how you build dynasties, we're just trying to fill seats and sell some jerseys.
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Posted 25 April 2009 - 09:50 PM

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You mean like getting Pat Chung, Ron Brace and Darius Butler while accumulating more picks to address all your needs? Nah, that's how you build dynasties, we're just trying to fill seats and sell some jerseys.


They have Tom Brady. That is how you build dynasties. And then when you have a franchise QB...you can afford the luxury of staying put or dropping back to stockpile.

Unfortunately, we don't have Tom Brady. FO took the shot to get a franchise QB....now the next couple of years...you will see us stock picks or staying put while Sanchez hopefully develops into a franchise QB

You only build dynasties with a franchise QB......without franchise QBs, the likes of Chungs, Braces, etc..mean sh*t
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Posted 25 April 2009 - 09:54 PM

QUOTE (TimmyLamJones @ Apr 25 2009, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They have Tom Brady. That is how you build dynasties. And then when you have a franchise QB...you can afford the luxury of staying put or dropping back to stockpile.

Unfortunately, we don't have Tom Brady. FO took the shot to get a franchise QB....now the next couple of years...you will see us stock picks or staying put while Sanchez hopefully develops into a franchise QB

You only build dynasties with a franchise QB......without franchise QBs, the likes of Chungs, Braces, etc..mean sh*t

Agreed, we aren't the Pats. They have a franchise QB and can sit back and grab a bunch of players. We need a guy to be the QB of this team, the team doesn't feel that Clemens or Ratliff were the answer. They now have answered that problem with drafting a QB they fell in love with.

Now the Jets finally can focus on building the team around Sanchez, hes our future. We finally have a player at that position with a realistic shot at being something. The depth will come but first you need starters. Rome wasn't build it a day.
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Posted 25 April 2009 - 10:17 PM

I was high on Maclin, so im disappointed that we coulda had him and our second rounder. I'm not sure he is Chad 2.0 but I am sure that he is Ghoulston 2.0. He won't contribute at all this year. It will be his senior year, just like Ghoulston. I think he can succeed but since Ghoulston didn't even get a full year to perform before the word bust was thrown around I can't wait for sanchez to not win the job and all the asses will say how he isn't good enough. People wanted him to go to the Jets but they won't let him succeed by placing so much pressure on him. Just like Ghoulston he will take at least three years before he contributes.
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Posted 25 April 2009 - 10:20 PM

QUOTE (CoachasaurusREX @ Apr 25 2009, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was high on Maclin, so im disappointed that we coulda had him and our second rounder. I'm not sure he is Chad 2.0 but I am sure that he is Ghoulston 2.0. He won't contribute at all this year. It will be his senior year, just like Ghoulston. I think he can succeed but since Ghoulston didn't even get a full year to perform before the word bust was thrown around I can't wait for sanchez to not win the job and all the asses will say how he isn't good enough. People wanted him to go to the Jets but they won't let him succeed by placing so much pressure on him. Just like Ghoulston he will take at least three years before he contributes.

Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco...it happens.
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Posted 25 April 2009 - 10:53 PM

QUOTE (Leon#29 @ Apr 25 2009, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco...it happens.


Both were seniors coming out of the draft. Dont set your expectatiopns very high dude you'll just trip and fall, and I'd rather fall a short distance than the high pedastal you are placing on sanchez. Flacco and Ryan were anomalies.
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Posted 25 April 2009 - 10:56 PM

QUOTE (CoachasaurusREX @ Apr 25 2009, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Both were seniors coming out of the draft. Dont set your expectatiopns very high dude you'll just trip and fall, and I'd rather fall a short distance than the high pedastal you are placing on sanchez. Flacco and Ryan were anomalies.


Theres no reason Flacco and Sanchez cannot be compared. Same coach, same setup. We play great D, Sanchez manages the football game, and we do just enough.
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Posted 25 April 2009 - 11:00 PM

QUOTE (Jetsman05 @ Apr 25 2009, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Theres no reason Flacco and Sanchez cannot be compared. Same coach, same setup. We play great D, Sanchez manages the football game, and we do just enough.

Very well put! And I think that is exactly what Rex is looking to do in 2009...This is his team and I feel that he is going to want his man to lead it. Yes even his rookie season....
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Posted 26 April 2009 - 11:16 AM

Same coach??? Brian Schottenhiemer was the offensive coordinator for Rex ryan last year? I never knew that. If you think Rex will have anyhthing to do with the O then you are missed the point. Just because he says he wants to run doesnt mean Schott will call more runs.
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Posted 26 April 2009 - 11:17 AM

QUOTE (CoachasaurusREX @ Apr 26 2009, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Same coach??? Brian Schottenhiemer was the offensive coordinator for Rex ryan last year? I never knew that. If you think Rex will have anyhthing to do with the O then you are missed the point. Just because he says he wants to run doesnt mean Schott will call more runs.

Yes it does, at the end of the day the HC has the final say with that kind of stuff. Schotty had to play to the style that Mangini wanted last year, changing your gameplan each week to match. Ryan wants a identity, smash mouth offense. Thats what we'll do, drafting Shonn Greene shows that.
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Posted 26 April 2009 - 11:20 AM

QUOTE (CoachasaurusREX @ Apr 25 2009, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Both were seniors coming out of the draft. Dont set your expectatiopns very high dude you'll just trip and fall, and I'd rather fall a short distance than the high pedastal you are placing on sanchez. Flacco and Ryan were anomalies.


Flacco didn't play until he was a junior. So he had one extra year of college ball and it was in 1-AA. I think a year in the Pac-10 equals that so I'm not worried. I think Sanchez is in a great situation. Let Clemens start the year off and let Sanchez develop. No need to rush him out there. If he starts day one that fine, but I don't see why people are desperate for him to contribute this year. Its been 40 years since the last great Jet QB, what's one more.
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Posted 26 April 2009 - 11:30 AM

Most teams grabbing franchise QB's are picking at the top of the draft, like the lions with a crappy O-Line and a crappy D.

If your a team like us with a decent O-Line and potentially top 3 D then you have to trade up to get these players.

I mean does anyone actually think Ratliff was going to start, he wasn't. Clemmens would have beat him out easily and what would we have to show for it, a QB who can beat out Brett Ratliff that couldn't beat out Chad Pennington the year before.....That doesn't excite me at all.

He has now got a first round pick pushing him all summer to excel and win the job.
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Posted 26 April 2009 - 02:31 PM

QUOTE (CoachasaurusREX @ Apr 26 2009, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Same coach??? Brian Schottenhiemer was the offensive coordinator for Rex ryan last year? I never knew that. If you think Rex will have anyhthing to do with the O then you are missed the point. Just because he says he wants to run doesnt mean Schott will call more runs.


Are you serious? Why would they even call Rex Ryan the HC? He overseas ALL game plans, both sides of the ball and special teams. You better believe Rex Ryan will be in Schottys face from monday to saturday if he isn't calling the game as RR wants it to be called.

Why even call him the Head coach, I think you sir, missed the point.
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