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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
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.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Calvin Pace: A Tale Of A Roided Up Sore Loser

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 09:24 AM

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Said Jets LB Calvin Pace, "I'm going to be honest, I can't respect that stuff. All that Wildcat. Because we're in the NFL, man. If you're out there running that nonsense, it's crap. They got us today but we'll see them again and we'll have something for them. I guess you have to give them credit but the defense lost the game."


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Wow. Simply wow. Not only does Bart Scott make an ass of himself by saying the Jets had the cure for the wildcat but after Miami basically exposes the Jets D for being extremely overrated, Pace comes out looking like a little whiny girl saying the wildcat is crap.

Well, Pace, your going to get your chance to face it in a few weeks..That is, if you can stop getting caught for juicing.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 09:33 AM

I'm not sure you exposed the D as being overrated but Pace needs to STFU. To every Jet and Jet fan the WILDCAT was better than you. I just don't expect it to happen twice. Can't wait for round two in the Meadowlands.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 09:46 AM

Too bad he wasn't caught roiding moron............. He was caught on a supplement that was banned. Is he a roider? IDK maybe, its hard to not think most NFL players are roiders. But he wasn't caught on it....


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Posted 13 October 2009 - 10:00 AM

He took the equivalent of a vitamin...

And while I spent the better part of the last 2 days defending the Wildcat against Jets fans who thought too lowly of it...I'm now going to talk against it to Dolphins fans who think too highly of it.

It is not an offense. It is an offensive set, or package, just the same way the shotgun is a set.

The Dolphins have the perfect roster for the package right now with Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams. Two runners who are very good in traffic...ie patience, vision, lower body strength, and creativity. Without Ronnie and Ricky the wildcat won't be nearly as effective. And considering Ricky plans on hanging up the cleats as soon as he pays back his debt to the Phins, it might not last much longer.

As soon as Chad Henne develops and they can really on him to win games we will see less and less of the wildcat. It will always be there in the NFL from now on...but it will never be as prominent as it is right now on the Phins. Other teams have tried it and have already started using it less and less if even at all.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 10:00 AM

sounds like bitterness that we snagged this guy away from miami


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Posted 13 October 2009 - 10:36 AM

QUOTE (santana @ Oct 13 2009, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
sounds like bitterness that we snagged this guy away from miami



Not really. You guys can keep him. I want defensive players on my team that don't talk out of their ass like Scott and Pace.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 10:43 AM

QUOTE (BadMrFrosty @ Oct 13 2009, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not really. You can guys can keep him. I want defensive players on my team that don't talk out of their ass like Scott and Pace.

LMAO have you seen your defense?

Clam Chowda, Joey Porter, Jason Taylor, Vonnie Holliday(when he was there), akin adole........
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 10:47 AM

We are still ahead of the Fins in the division. I'm past this loss, it was a down game for the Jets and it happens. We need to bounce back against the Bills, and we see the Fins at the Meadowlands in a couple weeks.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 10:51 AM

QUOTE (Jetsfan0099 @ Oct 13 2009, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
LMAO have you seen your defense?

Clam Chowda, Joey Porter, Jason Taylor, Vonnie Holliday(when he was there), akin adole........



Have you seen yours? I know it might be hard to considering they were being plowed into the ground the majority of last night by Miami's stellar offensive line.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 11:00 AM

QUOTE (BadMrFrosty @ Oct 13 2009, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Have you seen yours? I know it might be hard to considering they were being plowed into the ground the majority of last night by Miami's stellar offensive line.


Hey genius...you started yapping about talkative players and how you wouldn't want them on your team...jetsfan0099 merely pointed out that your team has the queens of said smack talk in Joey Porter, Jason Taylor, and Channing Crowder.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 11:05 AM

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Hey genius...you started yapping about talkative players and how you wouldn't want them on your team...jetsfan0099 merely pointed out that your team has the queens of said smack talk in Joey Porter, Jason Taylor, and Channing Crowder.



I didn't say talkative. I said players who talk out of their ass. If I were a Jets fan, I'd be upset that you have guys on your defense that talked up a big game about Miami and its wildcat only to get owned on national television.

Perhaps I should of said: I don't want whiny bitch ass sore loser players on my football team.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 11:06 AM

QUOTE (BadMrFrosty @ Oct 13 2009, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I didn't say talkative. I said players who talk out of their ass. If I were a Jets fan, I'd be upset that you have guys on your defense that talked up a big game about Miami and its wildcat only to get owned on national television.

Perhaps I should of said: I don't want whiny bitch ass sore loser players on my football team.


It's alot easier when you are winning man. No way are we saying what Pace said is right, he sounds like a dumbass to me, IMO. But you guys won the game, obviously nothing is going to come out of your mouths.

By the way, you won the game at home and you were barely underdogs. Don't go around acting like this is some crazy win by the Fins and you guys are upsetting. We all knew this game would be close, the defense was just not up to it. How about you give your Run game/Wildcat some credit, and not take it away from the defense.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 11:12 AM

QUOTE (BadMrFrosty @ Oct 13 2009, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I didn't say talkative. I said players who talk out of their ass. If I were a Jets fan, I'd be upset that you have guys on your defense that talked up a big game about Miami and its wildcat only to get owned on national television.

Perhaps I should of said: I don't want whiny bitch ass sore loser players on my football team.


Joey Porter and Jason Taylor anyone?

This reminds me of a game many many moons ago when the Dolphins were winning by some ridiculous score, and the Jets came back in a miracle victory. And Jason Taylor was smack talking to FANS!!! Ffffaaaannnss!!!!??? And than when the Dolphins lost he was crying...wwwwaaaahhhh....wwwwwaaaahhh.....wwwaahhhh.

It's not like Pace is known for saying dumb things...he probably got frustrated and blurted this out in the locker room shortly after the game...more mad at himself.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 11:20 AM

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"I used to see all those gimmicks back when I was coaching college, and one thing we could always do is stop the run," Ryan said. "It was ridiculous. We tried a million different groupings and nothing worked."


Classy. I wonder why Rex thinks this has to do with the scheme. Miami flat out out-executed the Jets defense.

Stopping the wildcat isn't about a scheme or blitz package. Its simply beating the guy in front of you and making a play on the ball carrier. Its real easy for Ryan to look like a genius when you have R. Lewis, Ed Reed, Ngata, and Suggs stuffing the wildcat.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 11:25 AM

QUOTE (BadMrFrosty @ Oct 13 2009, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Classy. I wonder why Rex thinks this has to do with the scheme. Miami flat out out-executed the Jets defense.

Stopping the wildcat isn't about a scheme or blitz package. Its simply beating the guy in front of you and making a play on the ball carrier. Its real easy for Ryan to look like a genius when you have R. Lewis, Ed Reed, Ngata, and Suggs stuffing the wildcat.


Go away man, you won the game. It shows your real class in how you handle a god damn win.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 11:25 AM

QUOTE (BadMrFrosty @ Oct 13 2009, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Classy. I wonder why Rex thinks this has to do with the scheme. Miami flat out out-executed the Jets defense.

Stopping the wildcat isn't about a scheme or blitz package. Its simply beating the guy in front of you and making a play on the ball carrier. Its real easy for Ryan to look like a genius when you have R. Lewis, Ed Reed, Ngata, and Suggs stuffing the wildcat.


Everything is about scheme.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 11:31 AM

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Go away man, you won the game. It shows your real class in how you handle a god damn win.


No. I'm going to gloat about this win for a little while longer. All I heard this off-season was Rex Ryan this, Mark Sanchez that, we know how to stop the wildcat blah blah blah. I would be extremely disappointed if I were you guys. The Jets had the savior QB and the new genius of the year in Ryan. How could they get so embarrassed on MNF?

QUOTE (HurricaneJet32 @ Oct 13 2009, 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Everything is about scheme.


If that were true then the Jets would of stopped Miami's running game. Ryans scheme was the same as Baltimores.

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 11:36 AM

QUOTE (BadMrFrosty @ Oct 13 2009, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No. I'm going to gloat about this win for a little while longer. All I heard this off-season was Rex Ryan this, Mark Sanchez that, we know how to stop the wildcat blah blah blah. I would be extremely disappointed if I were you guys. The Jets had the savior QB and the new genius of the year in Ryan. How could they get so embarrassed on MNF?


Sanchez is a rookie, I know many forget, but he is a ROOKIE. No one here anointed ANYONE the savior. By the way, we are still ahead of you in the division, if you forgot. I wouldn't say we were embarrassed on MNF. We were barely favored, and we had the lead until the last second. It was a home game for you, in your heat.

I think it was a pick 'em game, and thats exactly what it turned out to be. No on was embarrassed, you chewed up our defense and still you guys were in position to lose the game. We have given props to you for the W, but we are still in first.

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If that were true then the Jets would of stopped Miami's running game. Ryans scheme was the same as Baltimores.


You obviously made changes, and obviously the personnel here didn't do the job. Again, instead of giving your team some credit, you are taking some from us.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 11:45 AM

I don't know why you all continue to give Frosty fuel to his fire. He is right and I think this is a lesson here: the players need to be accountable for not doing their jobs. Rex is perplexed because he thought his players would be able to handle the Miami offense. He was wrong. The good thing is there were a few new wrinkles which next time he'll be ready for and his players will likely be highly motivated to prove that this was a one game fluke.

Remember, regardless of what people are saying on here this is still a defense that has played great all year against quality offensive opponents. There is a weakness in the run defense and it will be addressed by the staff. The players still gotta execute though.
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Posted 13 October 2009 - 12:16 PM

So rex ryan (who knows more about football then any of us) called it a gimmick used in college. come on jetman05 and hurricanejet call him a dumbass and tell him he doesn't know football like u did to me.
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