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Leon Doesn't Seem Like He'll Be A Jet For Much Longer

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 09:13 PM

[size="4"]Rex Ryan had additional things to say about [url="http://jetstwit.com/2010/03/23/uncertainty-on-leon-washingtons-future-with-the-jets/"][color="#0000ff"]Leon Washington not being at the voluntary workouts this week.[/color][/url] Right off the podium from the announcement that the Jets will be the next team to be documented in [url="http://jetstwit.com/2010/03/25/its-official-the-new-york-jets-will-star-on-hbos-hard-knocks/"][color="#0000ff"]HBO’s series Hard Knocks[/color][/url], he said this to reporters about Leon:[/size][indent][size="4"][url="http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2010/03/rex_ryan_disappointed_that_leo.html"][color="#0000ff"]NJ.com:[/color][/url]
“He’s a third-down back and a Pro Bowl returner. That’s a pretty big thing,” Ryan said. “Do we expect him to come back from the surgery he had… and you’re going to put him in there instead of Shonn Green or LaDainian Tomlinson? Maybe you would. I’m not comfortable with that.”
“Let’s see where he’s at,” Ryan added. “I’m not just going to give him the ball 20 times a game coming off of that. He has to be ready to take that kind of role. If he’s ready to take an expanded role, then obviously we could see that. Again, third down is the most important down that you have on offense. That would be an ideal situation (for him).”
[/size] [/indent][size="4"]Rex expressed his disappointment with Leon not being with the team and at their facilities on Monday when the off-season workouts began. We know by experience that when Rex talks to the press like this about the player, they are on his “List” and to get off of it requires the player to show that they want to be there. Kerry Rhodes nows first hand as he was benched, did what he was told but that didn’t save him from being shipped to the Arizona Cardinals just a couple of weeks ago.
As more is said about Leon’s situation, I continue to say that I really don’t see him getting back with the team. Don’t be surprised by April 15th if another team swoops in and if they don’t, look closer to the draft for a trade.
Even if Leon stays with the team, they would not have brought in LT if they were going to give Leon the ball like they did last year 12-15 carries a game.[/size]
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Posted 25 March 2010 - 09:51 PM

[quote name='S-Dubb' date='25 March 2010 - 07:13 PM' timestamp='1269569613' post='298941']
[size="4"]Rex Ryan had additional things to say about [url="http://jetstwit.com/2010/03/23/uncertainty-on-leon-washingtons-future-with-the-jets/"][color="#0000ff"]Leon Washington not being at the voluntary workouts this week.[/color][/url] Right off the podium from the announcement that the Jets will be the next team to be documented in [url="http://jetstwit.com/2010/03/25/its-official-the-new-york-jets-will-star-on-hbos-hard-knocks/"][color="#0000ff"]HBO’s series Hard Knocks[/color][/url], he said this to reporters about Leon:[/size][indent][size="4"][url="http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2010/03/rex_ryan_disappointed_that_leo.html"][color="#0000ff"]NJ.com:[/color][/url]
“He’s a third-down back and a Pro Bowl returner. That’s a pretty big thing,” Ryan said. “Do we expect him to come back from the surgery he had… and you’re going to put him in there instead of Shonn Green or LaDainian Tomlinson? Maybe you would. I’m not comfortable with that.”
“Let’s see where he’s at,” Ryan added. “I’m not just going to give him the ball 20 times a game coming off of that. He has to be ready to take that kind of role. If he’s ready to take an expanded role, then obviously we could see that. Again, third down is the most important down that you have on offense. That would be an ideal situation (for him).”
[/size] [/indent][size="4"]Rex expressed his disappointment with Leon not being with the team and at their facilities on Monday when the off-season workouts began. We know by experience that when Rex talks to the press like this about the player, they are on his “List” and to get off of it requires the player to show that they want to be there. Kerry Rhodes nows first hand as he was benched, did what he was told but that didn’t save him from being shipped to the Arizona Cardinals just a couple of weeks ago.
As more is said about Leon’s situation, I continue to say that I really don’t see him getting back with the team. Don’t be surprised by April 15th if another team swoops in and if they don’t, look closer to the draft for a trade.
Even if Leon stays with the team, they would not have brought in LT if they were going to give Leon the ball like they did last year 12-15 carries a game.[/size]
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i'd hate to lose leon. and he is not expendable. LT isn't gonna be around forever. he's a 1-2 year player for us. green hasn't had enough time to prove he can handle a whole season. he got dinged up alot last year. If leon goes it opens another hole becuase we will need another RB
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 08:52 AM

I'm gonna go ahead and say something that I'm gonna get killed for but here goes... Leon is overrated by Jets fans and not deserving the contract he is demanding the Jets for. His agent will get him in a situation he doesn't want to be in and we will all wonder where it went wrong. He is not Brian Westbrooke from a few years ago. He is a return man and a scat back who is great in open space but not an every down back.

There, it's been said.

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 09:44 AM

look who deserves the money more gholston or leon ? Tanny make mistakes and this is a big one.
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 10:05 AM

[quote name='gmany3k' date='26 March 2010 - 10:44 AM' timestamp='1269614693' post='298963']
look who deserves the money more gholston or leon ? Tanny make mistakes and this is a big one.
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Too bad it doesn't work like that
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 10:45 AM

[quote name='gmany3k' date='26 March 2010 - 09:44 AM' timestamp='1269614693' post='298963']
look who deserves the money more gholston or leon ? Tanny make mistakes and this is a big one.
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 10:46 AM

[quote name='CoachasaurusREX' date='26 March 2010 - 09:52 AM' timestamp='1269611561' post='298961']
I'm gonna go ahead and say something that I'm gonna get killed for but here goes... Leon is overrated by Jets fans and not deserving the contract he is demanding the Jets for. His agent will get him in a situation he doesn't want to be in and we will all wonder where it went wrong. He is not Brian Westbrooke from a few years ago. He is a return man and a scat back who is great in open space but not an every down back.

There, it's been said.

I don't know if I actually believe it but i had to say it.
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6 million is too much? for a guy that plays special teams, HB and Punt returner? All he wanted was the contract Sproles was going to get,which was 6 mil. Thats it and that's asking too much?.. he's overrated?, it's funny because Leon's been a good soldier through all of this. Even when he fractured both his fibula and tibia he's been nothing but smiles and taking it on the chin like a man. Not to mention he's a fan favorite and last time I checked, teams try to keep fan favorties, not mention .having a home run threat on the field whenever he's in the game. He's overrated?, tell that to the 11 guys that have to defend him. Marshall Faluk has compared him to Barry Sanders. Leon might be overrated in your eyes but not in mine and it's not even like Leon is a starter. He never was, you mean he's even overrated as a fill-in, 3rd down back and special teams guy?

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 10:54 AM

[quote name='S-Dubb' date='26 March 2010 - 10:46 AM' timestamp='1269618412' post='298971']
6 million is too much? for a guy that plays special teams, HB and Punt returner? All he wanted was the contract Sproles was going to get,which was 6 mil. Thats it and that's asking too much?.. he's overrated?, it's funny because Leon's been a good soldier through all of this. Even when he fractured both his fibula and tibia he's been nothing but smiles and taking it on the chin like a man. Not to mention he's a fan favorite and last time I checked, teams try to keep fan favorties, not mention .having a home run threat on the field whenever he's in the game. He's overrated?, tell that to the 11 guys that have to defend him. Marshall Faluk has compared him to Barry Sanders. Leon might be overrated in your eyes but not in mine and it's not even like Leon is a starter. He never was, you mean he's even overrated as a fill-in, 3rd down back and special teams guy?

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Fact of the matter is, he's coming off a major injury and is a question mark. He's not a feature back. They have other players on this team that can return kicks. LT is going to catch the ball out of the backfield. While I wouldn't have said it a year ago, today I truly mean it when I say I won't be upset if he leaves. It's part of the business and he is expendable. Backs are a dime a dozen. Out of all the players with contracts coming up and not being able to pay everyone... Leon is first on the chopping block IMO. Can't let your emotions get in the way.

And yes, 6 mil is a lot for someone who is on the field for 10-15 plays a game.
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 11:11 AM

Yeah, no way I'm giving him 6 million for a long termed team... maybe a 1 year 6 mill, but if he wants 3-5 years, it should be around 3.5m
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 11:16 AM

[quote name='sexyrexy' date='26 March 2010 - 11:54 AM' timestamp='1269618844' post='298975']
Fact of the matter is, he's coming off a major injury and is a question mark. He's not a feature back. They have other players on this team that can return kicks. LT is going to catch the ball out of the backfield. While I wouldn't have said it a year ago, today I truly mean it when I say I won't be upset if he leaves. It's part of the business and he is expendable. Backs are a dime a dozen. Out of all the players with contracts coming up and not being able to pay everyone... Leon is first on the chopping block IMO. Can't let your emotions get in the way.

And yes, 6 mil is a lot for someone who is on the field for 10-15 plays a game.
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In a word WOW.

He's a pro bowl kick returner and sure you can throw any numbskull back to return kicks but Leon's is a threat. How many "threats" do we have? I guarantee you with Leon healthy last year and given that fact we lost a lot of games by 5 points or less I put my house up that if we had Leon we would have won 2 maybe 3 more games just with his long T.D's and special teams contributions.

With your line of thinking your right, 6 million is too much, however 10-15 touches isn't what his workload is. He's a pro bowl return man. generating at least 2 T.D's on specials a year, not to mention his great production he gives on limited carries. 6 mil I think is fine for a T.D maker reguardless of carries, Leon gets the ball in the endzone. He's just as productive as Sproles, 6 million is fine and he was even willing to take 4 before the injury.

You let go of Leon now, L.T leaves after this year (more then likely) and were stuck with Chancy Washington and Shonn Greene?.. Oh, thats right, just go get a back because anyone can be a running back?

Keep Leon now, L.T is short term. If the Jets let Leon walk, I like so many others will call for Tanny's head.



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Posted 26 March 2010 - 11:24 AM

[quote name='Jetsman05' date='26 March 2010 - 12:11 PM' timestamp='1269619876' post='298980']
Yeah, no way I'm giving him 6 million for a long termed team... maybe a 1 year 6 mill, but if he wants 3-5 years, it should be around 3.5m
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I really hate discussing contracts because people don't know what their talking about including myself, with all these incentives and bonus's we don't know the true legitimacy of the deal so discussing it becomes redundant. However for sh*ts and giggles I'll play along. If it were 6 mil for 3-5 years how much would Leon actually see? I mean the first 2 years for sure he'd get that but everything after 3 is a gray area and no one knows. Is he injured, do we trade and so on.

Like I said, I personally don't think 6 mil is a big deal, maybe I'm crazy!, I mean with the contracts these guys are making 6 mil is chicken feed. For a guy that produces T.D's and is on 3 different areas of the field PRODUCING!

And lets be honest, Leon would have more then likely signed around 4 or 4.5.

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 11:30 AM

[quote name='S-Dubb' date='26 March 2010 - 12:16 PM' timestamp='1269620202' post='298982']
In a word WOW.

He's a pro bowl kick returner and sure you can throw any numbskull back to return kicks but Leon's is a threat. How many "threats" do we have? I guarantee you with Leon healthy last year and given that fact we lost a lot of games by 5 points or less I put my house up that if we had Leon we would have won 2 maybe 3 more games just with his long T.D's and special teams contributions.

With your line of thinking your right, 6 million is too much, however 10-15 touches isn't what his workload is. He's a pro bowl return man. generating at least 2 T.D's on specials a year, not to mention his great production he gives on limited carries. 6 mil I think is fine for a T.D maker reguardless of carries, Leon gets the ball in the endzone. He's just as productive as Sproles, 6 million is fine and he was even willing to take 4 before the injury.

You let go of Leon now, L.T leaves after this year (more then likely) and were stuck with Chancy Washington and Shonn Greene?.. Oh, thats right, just go get a back because anyone can be a running back?

Keep Leon now, L.T is short term. If the Jets let Leon walk, I like so many others will call for Tanny's head.
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You might want to go through this post and replace all of the 'is' with 'was'. The Jets weren't intent on giving Leon the deal he wanted before his horrific injury, why would they be now?

And what TD maker? Leon had 19 TDs in 4 years. That's less than 5 a year. I liked Leon as much as anyone going into last season, but both his and the Jets' situations have changed.
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 11:31 AM

I do get what you're saying about the numbers game and contracts... hell if I understand that shit but if we are just looking at the 6 million, I don't think I would do it. I'm a big Leon fan, and I agree what he brings to this team is something we don't have right now... but he's still our player, and if we really don't have a crazy good spot for him like we did in the past... then maybe its best he walks... or better yet we get a 2nd rounder for Leon. Who knows what we could do with that. We will always have Shonn Greene as long as he produces, and for a scat-back/change of pass back/whatever you want to call him, we can find another one not demanding that type of money.

After all is said and done, I want Leon here, but if he doesn't want to be here / wants too much money then our brass wants to dish out... so be it. He won't make or break our team. (In my mind)
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 11:36 AM

[quote name='VaNDelaYInDusTrIEs' date='26 March 2010 - 12:30 PM' timestamp='1269621003' post='298986']
You might want to go through this post and replace all of the 'is' with 'was'. The Jets weren't intent on giving Leon the deal he wanted before his horrific injury, why would they be now?

And what TD maker? Leon had 19 TDs in 4 years. That's less than 5 a year. I liked Leon as much as anyone going into last season, but both his and the Jets' situations have changed.
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Leon gets limited carries. I think that's pretty impressive given the fact he's a 3rd down scat back and lets cut the sh*t. Leon isn't getting walk in T.D's like T.D did most of last year. Leon's T'Ds are coming from 20 yards away from the endzone and out. Pay the man!

As far as the money. I'm not saying give him the 6 mil, I'm saying reality is it would have landed around 4 or 4.5 which I think is accurate.

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 11:41 AM

[quote name='S-Dubb' date='26 March 2010 - 12:36 PM' timestamp='1269621380' post='298989']
Leon gets limited carries. I think that's pretty impressive given the fact he's a 3rd down scat back and lets cut the sh*t. Leon isn't getting walk in T.D's like T.D did most of last year. Leon's T'Ds are coming from 20 yards away from the endzone and out. Pay the man!

As far as the money. I'm not saying give him the 6 mil, I'm saying reality is it would have landed around 4 or 4.5 which I think is accurate.
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I would love to have Leon back, the guy clearly has a unique skillset. But the fact that he had so few touches in his career can only hurt him in the negotiation process. Now he's gonna be trying to convince teams to give up a second rounder along with however many million he feels he's worth for a guy who's never had 200 touches. If someone does want him, I would be content with the second rounder. And if no one wants him, I'll be content to get him back at a reasonable price. I'm not losing sleep regardless of what happens.
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 11:45 AM

[quote name='Jetsman05' date='26 March 2010 - 12:31 PM' timestamp='1269621065' post='298987']
I do get what you're saying about the numbers game and contracts... hell if I understand that shit but if we are just looking at the 6 million, I don't think I would do it. I'm a big Leon fan, and I agree what he brings to this team is something we don't have right now... but he's still our player, and if we really don't have a crazy good spot for him like we did in the past... then maybe its best he walks... or better yet we get a 2nd rounder for Leon. Who knows what we could do with that. We will always have Shonn Greene as long as he produces, and for a scat-back/change of pass back/whatever you want to call him, we can find another one not demanding that type of money.

After all is said and done, I want Leon here, but if he doesn't want to be here / wants too much money then our brass wants to dish out... so be it. He won't make or break our team. (In my mind)
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He definitely won't make or break the team. I think we all know that but how many asshole type players are their in the league?... how many "look at me" primadonnas are their?.. guys like Leon (drafted a Jet) are guys you split hairs with to find common ground to retain. IMO, letting him walk isn't an option. It's not like he's going to break the bank to keep him on.

I don't know, if Leon leaves this team I'm going to be pissed and I'd feel disgusted with the Jets as an organization, me being a fan and all. I would definitely see them in a different light.

I think as it sits right now, it's a perfect spot for him. He'll get severely limited touches now with L.T here, he'll more then likely return kicks both Punt and K.O returns and then he'll be able to prove he's back and when L.T goes down, Leon will be there. Just sayin.

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 11:56 AM

[quote name='S-Dubb' date='26 March 2010 - 12:45 PM' timestamp='1269621951' post='298991']
He definitely won't make or break the team. I think we all know that but how many asshole type players are their in the league?... how many "look at me" primadonnas are their?.. guys like Leon (drafted a Jet) are guys you split hairs with to find common ground to retain. IMO, letting him walk isn't an option. It's not like he's going to break the bank to keep him on.

I don't know, if Leon leaves this team I'm going to be pissed and I'd feel disgusted with the Jets as an organization, me being a fan and all. I would definitely see them in a different light.

I think as it sits right now, it's a perfect spot for him. He'll get severely limited touches now with L.T here, he'll more then likely return kicks both Punt and K.O returns and then he'll be able to prove he's back and when L.T goes down, Leon will be there. Just sayin.

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No reason to be rooting for LT to go down. This team and staff knows what they are doing. They deserve the benefit of the doubt from us fans.

In a perfect world Leon would be back, but if he isn't, I'm really hoping we get the 2nd rounder for him.
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 11:59 AM

Rex upset Keels pulled Washington
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[b]Rex on Keels decision to pull Leon out of off-season program - “We have [great] facilities in the country, we have a great medical staff, a great medical team and [a great] strength coach. Leon knows this and that’s what’s disappointing. Wherever he’s at might be good, but it’s not the best. I want what’s best for him and the New York Jets and this is a time there’s team building."[/b]
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 12:06 PM

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6 million is too much? for a guy that plays special teams, HB and Punt returner? All he wanted was the contract Sproles was going to get,which was 6 mil. Thats it and that's asking too much?.. he's overrated?, it's funny because Leon's been a good soldier through all of this. Even when he fractured both his fibula and tibia he's been nothing but smiles and taking it on the chin like a man. Not to mention he's a fan favorite and last time I checked, teams try to keep fan favorties, not mention .having a home run threat on the field whenever he's in the game. He's overrated?, tell that to the 11 guys that have to defend him. Marshall Faluk has compared him to Barry Sanders. Leon might be overrated in your eyes but not in mine and it's not even like Leon is a starter. He never was, you mean he's even overrated as a fill-in, 3rd down back and special teams guy?

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Exactly! See, this is what happens when a loyal guy does what hes told, just wants the money he has EARNED, and then not only gets denied, but gets injured so he still won't see the money he should have seen. We should have paid Leon last offseason. now we might be missing him for more than half a season. This was a dumb move. Granted Tanny has limited those types of moves so far, how you don't pay Leon is beyond me. He is our only homerun threat, and as Dubb said a fan favorite who just wanted the money that his player type deserved. Its not Loen's fault what the market is, he just wanted fair market value. Instead he played for just over half a mill and got hurt. If we lose him i will be irate.
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 12:10 PM

I'm not worried about this, hes going to be on the Jets next season unless some team gives us a 2nd round pick. Leon has to prove that he is the same player before he gets a contract extension, his agent screwed him with not taking the Jets 5 yr contract they offered him.
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