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Jetsman05 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 06:30 AM) Rob you're brutal
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Who should I start this week in fantasy football? Its a PPR league. I can start 3 of the WRs Edelman-/D-Thomas/Mike Evans/James Jones
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Edelman and Thomas are must start
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:31 PM) So do I start Evans against Jax or James Jones vs STL
Jetsfan115 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:45 PM) jones. winston likes jackson more then evans
RetireChrebet Icon : (08 October 2015 - 01:47 PM) My two year old daughter is less manic and is able to maintain her composure much better than someone we know here ....
azjetfan Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:07 PM) Dolphins have also fired their DC
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:24 PM) I am composed. 115 and I may see things differently but he has never pissed me off. He is just trying to make his point of view and I mine nothing more
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:25 PM) I just feel the rule is a very bad rule to give the offense the ball back for losing the ball in the endzone because of a batted ball and feel the NFL is far to offense firendly these days thats all
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:27 PM) I know many agree with that. I get that many changes have been made to limit things like brain damage and other injuries some season ending and career ending but defenses cant play hard like they used to and pathetic calls on defenses have ruinbed many games.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:29 PM) Thats why brought up the Jets Fish game. The balls were clearly uncatcahable and a light tug on the jersey shouldn't be a pi. Whatever happened to the uncatchable ball rule?"
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:33 PM) and as far as that montage I did have ESPN on for 2 hours after the game because I wanted to see all the reactions and get a clear understanding of this old rule and I never saw a bunch of clips where flags were thrown for the play in question. So I asked for proof. If it was on ESPN it wasn't on ESPN1 maybe ESPN 2 ,3 or news. Its not wrong or brutal to ask for proof when he stated he saw it on ESPN I had the channel on and didn't see what he claimed he saw and still haven't seen any video of proof of his claims
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:36 PM) But as I said not mad at all. 115 and I are cool and always have been Ive never been mad at him in anyway. This is a fan forum and we dispute. If we all agreed on everything there would be no point of the forum. Disputes on stats and calls make things interesting, and makes each of use see things from different points of view
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) it was on whatever channel the game itself came on
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) and for the record I don't have any issue with anything rob said. I just disagree with it
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) I do think rules are too offense friendly, but I think in this case, when someone blatently breaks a rule ti should be punished
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) but then again pacman got away with ripping off a players helmet and didn't get a penatly
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) refs need to be more consistent
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:04 PM) Hell yeah! Pac 12 AZ State Jaelen Strong. Not a Texans fan but and dont watch a ton of college football but do watch the Pac 12 for football and basketball growing up in Phoenix and also a Suns fan and liking the Cardinals since they moved to AZ .Was a Jets fan though before Az got the cardinals . Strong was really good for AZ State.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:05 PM) Havent studied up on strong for the Texans but will have to since the announcers said he hasnt played much. I want to know if he has been injured or not performing. He has good hands and size
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:08 PM) I actually was debating on starting the Colts witth Jets D on bye week glad I dropped them. Wasn't much to choose from. Some decent defenses but bad matchups. took a chance on the Jags this week hoping they can shut down Tampa
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:10 PM) Oh and thanks for that 115. people took it wrong. we were simply debating our opinions with passion for our love of football with no animosity and people took it wrong. Easy to misunderstand texts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:21 AM) yeah people don't realize it's ok to disagree on the internet without it being 2 people hating each other lol
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 12:30 PM) I think if the defense touches a live football in the end zone, period, it should be ruled a touchback.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 12:30 PM) Talking about fumbles, not passes, of course.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 12:31 PM) That's the simplest way to combat any confusion about the rule.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 12:32 PM) If you don't like that rule, then don't fumble in the end zone your trying to score in.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 02:21 PM) it's gotta be possession.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 04:03 PM) I know what the rule is. In proposing a rule change. Evidently, the way it is now is too complicated. If a defense touches a live football in the end zone it should be their ball at the 20. Problem solved.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 04:03 PM) I'm*
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:44 PM) what if the defense touches it whole trying tor ecover but doens't get it and the offense jumps on it first?
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 05:56 PM) You may not agree with it 115 but the way I look at it is if the offense recovered it it would be a touchdown. Its ok for a punter, qb, or rb ,etc. to deliberately take a safety so they dont get a punt blocked for a td or to avoid giving the ball up on the 1-2 yard line giving up a near definite td. An also those safeties by the O sometimes saves the game because giving up 2 instead of 7 keeps the game in reach at times.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:03 PM) Thats why I disagree with the rule. The offense gets the breaks of only giving up 2 points on O. but when fumbkling into the endzone and out it is always ruled a touchback even if the defender or O tries to recoiver the ball in the endzone and the ball goes out of bounds. Thats why I think batting the ball out of the endzone should still be a touchback instead of giving the ball back to the O that fumbled the ball into the endzone. Just dont feel that they should get a chance to get the ball back for an almost automatic td when they fumbled into the endzone just because of a batted ball. Its something that could litterally cause the defense that made a great play to lose simply because of a vbatted ball. Yet if they try to recover it it and it goes out its a touchback. I just feel its to game changing and a bad rule to give the O the ball back after they messed up bad because that play was the difference between a win and loss. The O fumbles so giving the O the ball back is like saying your great def play was worthless.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:04 PM) Just feel that its a bad rule since it would have almost definitely changed the game winner.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:08 PM) Just to many good rules for the O these days and to many bad rules for the D. this isn't college where offense dominates in most games. In the pros I want to see an equal playing field and not how its become so offensive friendly. Our own Jets have lost a lot of games on defensive calls alone after stopping the O. 3rd down and a mile and a penalty cost a 1st down and in many cases the game for us. Basically that's why I'm against the rule. I want an equal playing field in the pros nothing more.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:26 PM) Offense is in control of the ball, they should have that option. Both teams get to play offense it's not unfiar
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:26 PM) a major defensive play is more game changing then a major offensive play too.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:26 PM) turnover ratio is better linked to win/loss then any other stat
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:27 PM) even in your case the offense gives up 2 point and posession back with good field position and ball control
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:33 PM) Lets just a agree to disagree on this topic. We both see the situation different and neither of us will budge on this. best we just let it go and see if the NFL starts enforcing the rule more or changes it at some point. Either way. All the coaches and players in the league now know the rule so I doubt it will deliberately happen again any time soon....but then again who knows...in the games there are a lot of stupid fouls out of frustration, taunting, etc.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:34 PM) And the fans and officials are now aware of a rule almost no one but the officials knew.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:37 PM) Heck Im upset that we arent 4-0 right now with all thr mistakes against the Eagles and still almost coming back. I feel we need every win we can get especially with the Bills looking decent and always having to deal with the pats every year. Be nice to win the division for once. So tired of seeing the Pats win and get a bye almost every year.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 11:12 PM) Why do the Jets DBs have to talk about the Giants WRs!!? Why can't they just worry about our own team.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 11:13 PM) I think all jets fans remember the last time our DBs talked crap about a Giants WR..
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 11:13 PM) The jets should just worry about the Jets!!
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Posted 20 October 2010 - 04:35 PM


Jets Rewind: Analyzing the Good, Bad & Ugly in 24-20 win over Broncos in Week 6

By Manish Mehta

We begin the Fortuitous Flag Edition of the Rewind with three unyielding truths from the Jetsí 24-20 come-from-behind win over the Broncos on Sunday:

1) Yes, Santonio Holmes would have caught Mark Sanchezís 4th-down heave if not for Renaldo Hillís blatant facemask that put Holmes off-balance just enough.
2) No, Jim Leonhardís hit on Brandon Lloyd was not an illegal helmet-to-helmet one. Brutal call by the officials.
3) Demaryius Thomasí right foot clearly wasnít inbounds on his 17-yard go-ahead TD catch over Darrelle Revis late in the third quarter. Sure, the Jets were down to their final timeout after having lost a challenge two plays earlier, but you have to throw the red flag there. In the end, it was a moot point, but it could have come back to haunt Rex Ryanís club.

Antonio Cromartie is putting together a Pro Bowl caliber season after holding Brandon Lloyd, who led the league in receiving yards entering the game, in check. By my breakdown, he was thrown at 10 times and allowed three catches for 55 yards. He was flagged for a highly questionable 19-yard pass interference on Lloyd in the third quarter. He also added 3 pass breakups.

Everyone will remember Nick Folkís franchise-record 56-yard field goal. But how about this: The Jets kicker was 5-for-5 in touchbacks on kickoffs. Pretty impressive.

Brilliant route and field awareness by Braylon Edwards on his 32-yard TD on the first play of the second quarter. Edwards beat Champ Bailey on a post pattern by 1) Influencing Bailey to hedge to his left -- the sideline -- on a quick move stutter move off the snap and 2) using cornerback Nate Jones to, in effect, pick Bailey and create separation. Edwards ran past Jonesí right shoulder as Dustin Keller (who motioned to a stack formation behind Edwards pre-snap) ran an out route. Ö LaDainian Tomlinson picked up the linebacker blitz to give Mark Sanchez plenty of time to hit Edwards for the score.

John Connerís crushing block on Renaldo Hill on a stretch play helped pave the way for Tomlinsonís 20-yard TD in the fourth quarter. Great blocks by Conner, Keller, DíBrickashaw Ferguson and Matt Slauson.

DID YOU NOTICE? Left guard Matt Slauson stepped on Sanchezís left foot after the snap on Tomlinsonís 2-yard game-winning touchdown. Sanchez did a great job to make sure the handoff exchange was clean.

The Jets still havenít given up a point in the first quarter this season.

The Jets are excellent at limiting their tendencies. Consider the run:pass breakdowns:
First play of series: 8 run, 4 pass
On first down: 15 run, 11 pass

Credit Ryan and defensive coordinator Mike Pettine for opting to change their pressure packages on the Broncos final drive. Kyle Orton took advantage of 2 4-man rushes and a 3-man rush to get the ball to near midfield. Then, the Jets came with a safety blitz (Pool and Leonhard) that resulted in just a 4-yard completion. The Jets came with a corner blitz from Dwight Lowery off the defensive right side that paid dividends when Orton couldnít handle the shotgun snap. Lowery was in perfect position to land on the ball and seal the victory. (James Ihedigbo and Drew Coleman blitzed form the defensive left side as the Jetsí showed a 7-man rush before bringing just 5).

The Jetsí execution down the stretch ultimately proved to be the biggest difference. In three fourth-quarter drives (excluding game-ending kneel down), Rex Ryanís team ran 18 plays for 140 yards and scored 14 points.

In contrast, the Broncos ran 20 plays for 68 yards and scored 3 points. They also had a critical turnover.

Mark Sanchez made the right decision when he needed to, but he easily had his worst statistical day. Consider:
1. Sanchez was 6-11 for 67 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, sacked once on third downs
2. After a stretch of 184 consecutive passes without an interception, Sanchez threw two picks in 13 passes.

Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimerhas done a nice job through the first six weeks to get Sanchez throwing on the run via misdirection. Hereís the breakdown on Sanchez in the pocket and on the move (created by designed bootlegs and defensive pressure that forced him to leave the pocket):
In the pocket: 12-23, 151 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Out of the pocket: 5-7, 47 yards, sacked twice, 1 46-yard DPI

The defense was shaky on third-and-passing situations. Consider: Ryanís unit allowed Kyle Orton to convert 6 of 13 third-down dropbacks for first downs.

Hereís the breakdown of how Orton fared against the Jetsí various pressure packages.
3-man rush: 0-1; 1 carry for 9 yards
4-man rush: 0-1; 1 carry for 13 yards
5-man rush: 2-3, 30 yards; 1 fumble lost
6-man rush: 0-3
7-man rush: 1-2; 29 yards
8-man rush: 1-1; 27 yards

Ortonís total third-down stats: 4-11; 86 yards; 2 carries for 22 yards; 1 botched snap (turnover)

Itís hard to say that Darrelle Revis was bad. Itís also hard to say that he was particularly good. Letís just say he wasnít his typical dominating self. By my breakdown, he was thrown at 9 times and allowed 4 catches for 55 yards and one touchdown. Not brutal. But not Revis-like, either.

Keller appeared to have hurt his right wrist after tackling Jason Hunter during the linebackerís interception in the first quarter. The tight end was scheduled to undergo an MRI, but Rex Ryan didnít believe the injury was serious. You still donít need one of your key playmakers to get hurt while tackling a defender after a turnover. (Broncos fans will remember that Terrell Davisí career was never the same when he tore his knee trying to make a tackle after a turnover).

What was Holmes thinking on his fumble on an end around late in the third quarter? Not sure. Holmes had two choices to make: 1) Cut outside (left behind Braylon Edwardsí block) or 2) Cut inside (to Edwardsí right), where Tony Richardson could have provided a clear path. Instead, Holmes inexplicably ran right into the back of Edwards and crashed into a waiting Perrish Cox. Strange.

Mike Westhoff is one of the best special teams coaches in the business, but his unit was caught napping on the Broncosí successful second-quarter onsides kick. Kenwin Cummings and Brodney Poll were the culprits.


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