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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Posted 23 October 2010 - 06:17 PM

Gholston has had the worst first 2 + years of any DE/OLB drafted in the first round for the 2000-2009 decade. as per Football Outsiders...

In all seriousness, I was looking at NYJETSCAP.com, and if I read it right, evn if Rex were to cut ties with him next season....he would account for 5.8 million in dead money, which could have been used on one of the WR's Santonio/Braylon...or Cromartie...

These rookie contracts, especially when a team has a top 10 pick really can hamper a team's future...as shown by this example...

The guy just ISN't a player.....Not to beat a dead horse, I think we can see it with our own eyes....

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 07:19 PM

Jason Fitzgerald- NYJETSCAP.com: Gholston had three years remaining on his contract with $5.9 million dollars in guaranteed salary. In addition if he participated in a certain percentage of the defensive snaps he earned a guaranteed bonus of about $3.6 million plus a number of pay raises in the last two years of his deal. That playtime based incentive, which is commonplace in all first round rookie contracts, was really limiting what the Jets could do with him. Had the Jets decided to cut Gholston after this season he would have counted for over $7 million in dead cap space, and potentially as high as $10.5 million had he seen significant playtime in 2010.

What the Jets did in the renegotiation was front Gholston a significant sum of money in the form of a $4 million dollar signing bonus and 500K pay raise for 2010. In return Vernon gave up the guaranteed playtime bonus, which allows the Jets to actually give him a chance to play without the financial commitment. The dead cap charge of releasing him would now be under $6 million dollars in 2011.

The Jets also added incentives to get him to play well if he wants to earn more money. Gholston has a $2.5 million dollar roster bonus due of the first day of the league year in 2011 and that figure can grow based on playtime and on field performance. He has a similar bonus in 2012. If Gholston continues his invisible man act on the field he will never see a penny from the Jets in 2011 and he will be cut the day before the bonus is due, similar to why the team released Thomas Jones and Lito Sheppard this
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Jets DE Vernon Gholston will collect $6.5 million this season, but the team can easily cut ties with him next year.
Per his restructured contract, Gholston's base salary drops from $2.25 million this season to $550,000 next season. He's also due a $2.5 million roster bonus in March of 2011, which the Jets have the right to not exercise. Gholston's value is on the rise in New York after the year-ending injury to Ropati Pitoitua, but he remains undersized for his new position at defensive end. The former No. 6 overall pick did record five tackles on Saturday night.
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Posted 23 October 2010 - 07:38 PM

Thanks for breaking that down 0099.....He is as good as gone...without the cap hit due to the restructure...Not a Rex guy by no means!!!
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Posted 23 October 2010 - 09:46 PM

I don't think ANYONE would have guessed that Gholston would have been THIS bad. I started off liking him, then became somewhat lukewarm about him, then once we did get him I had hoped he was that pass rusher we have been looking for. This guy is the biggest waste of talent I have ever seen, he looks the part but just can't play the game.

Hopefully we can draft a real pass rusher pretty soon, I want someone who teams have to game plan against and can wreck havoc in the backfield and get to the QB when we need to. Like John Abraham back in the day, but someone that stays healthy and is tougher.
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Posted 24 October 2010 - 12:31 AM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 23 October 2010 - 10:46 PM, said:

I don't think ANYONE would have guessed that Gholston would have been THIS bad. I started off liking him, then became somewhat lukewarm about him, then once we did get him I had hoped he was that pass rusher we have been looking for. This guy is the biggest waste of talent I have ever seen, he looks the part but just can't play the game.

Hopefully we can draft a real pass rusher pretty soon, I want someone who teams have to game plan against and can wreck havoc in the backfield and get to the QB when we need to. Like John Abraham back in the day, but someone that stays healthy and is tougher.



Sorry, not to sound all high n mighty but I had a strong feeling hed be a no show. I said it on here from day one hed be a bust and i hope id be wrong, but apparently not. He only showed up for 2 games his senior year, and he had a history of being lazy, that doesnt fly in the pros. That shouldnt fly anywhere. yea he is a physical speciman but there have been infamous players like that who were busts as well in the NFL. I wanted ANYONE other than Gholoston in that draft. he just struck me as the kind of guy that would dissapear and give up, and thats what hes done.

Ghost= look like Tarzan play like Jane, as classic of exapmle as they come.
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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:05 AM

Even thinking he would be bust I don't think anyone would have predicted he would have zero impact and not get a sack. I remember Hurricane not being a fan of his, but I don't think he thought he be this bad.
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Posted 24 October 2010 - 11:38 PM

No one in their right mind predicted he was a bust of this magnitude
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Posted 25 October 2010 - 10:15 AM

Blair Thomas 2.0
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Posted 25 October 2010 - 05:39 PM

I wrote like a 3 paragraph topic on why I thought that Gholston would crap out the day after the draft... but no I didnt think he'd be dead weight to this extent.
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Posted 25 October 2010 - 07:09 PM

Normally when a player is taken that high in the draft the player can contribute at some level. When I think of Vern I think of Ryan Leaf. Kinda sad actually. He has all the tools with no idea how to use them. Bryan Thomas was considered a let down but has been very servicable his whole career.
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