S-Dubb, on 23 June 2011 - 01:06 AM, said:
Personally I think the gay community needs understand when they have a good thing and learn to STFU. Look how far homosexuality has come? Ok fair enough right? Gays can walk down the street holding hands. I seen 2 girls going at it on the train a little while ago. Didn't bother me and the majority of the observers didn't seem to mind it either, male or female. The bottom line is knowing when to draw the line. They don't have to hide anymore, the statistical suicide rate among gays had dropped astronomically over the past 10 years as society hasn't looked down on the gay community as much and they have become quite liberated as of late.
My point ultimately is knowing when to let the lion sleep. They are socially accepted now, everywhere you look your seeing old laws change. As they should. They've don't have to hide. One can be gay without restraint or limitations openly in public. Check 1 up for the gays. However I think they need to let it be. Wanna get married and feel bonded with that person? Fine... Go down to city hall like I said, sign the certificate and hold a gathering at a hall or banquet with family and friends to celebrate the occasion. All I'm saying is you really start to ignite a fire when you want to get married the old fashion way. That's been the problem with man kind. We just want and want and want and we push and push to make things happen whether they are for the good or terribly wrong.
In a perfect world they should be happy with a certifacate and done. Leave the religious, getting married in front of priest and or pastor chapel ceremonies alone. Just let it go. Sometimes you gotta know when to just leave something alone. Be thankful for what ya got and how far you've come and stop pushing the envelop.
Dubb that's all their asking for, the state marriage license. They're not banging on the church doors in hot pink short shorts and fish net tank tops waving the rainbow flag saying let us in. They just want to be seen as one couple in the eyes of the state they live in. I believe many gays could care less whether a certain church accepts their marriage or not. See the problem is people can't separate wedding and marriage. Any man and woman can go to a church and get married, but they'll only be married in the eyes of God. But God doesn't make the laws in the state of New York (or any of the other 49 states in our union). When you went to vote last November I'm pretty certain "God" was not a candidate on the ballot. So God (and none of his representatives on earth) have no say in this matter. They don't make or enforce state (or federal) laws. We as a nation (and I think it should be legal in all 50 states) are governed not by what is written in the Christian bible but by the United States constitution. Even before that was written this nation was founded on the idea that "all men are created equal." The DOI didn't say all those men had to be heterosexuals.
But this is the civil rights issue of our time. Why should gay people have to wait to have the rights they're supposed to have as citizens anyway until we in the majority (heterosexuals) see fit to give them those rights? So what if we're more comfortable with them now than we were 20 years ago. Did U.S. Supreme Court wait until they felt the south was ready for desegregation when they ruled on Brown v. the Board of Education? Sometimes change has to be made because it's the right thing to do despite whether or not the majority of people are ready for that change.
And how do we even know how God truly feels about homosexuality anyway? Because of the way some people interpret the King James version of the Holy Bible. God didn't write that version of the bible, man did. I believe God loves all his children and cares more about their happiness and their well being than he does about whether or not his children can procreate. Not allowing gays to marry on the grounds that they can't have children together is ridiculous. That's like saying barren women or a sterile men shouldn't be allowed to marry since they can't have children either. Neither can couples who use birth control.
I'm kind of with you on the allowing gays to marry in church part of issue though. That does make me personally uncomfortable to be totally honest. But that's my problem not anybody else's. That something I need to grow out of. I do like that some churches support gay marriage and as SecondHand said it should be up to an individual church to decide whether or not they should perform ceremonies for gay couples. I need to get over my own personal issue with it and the older I get the more comfortable I'm becoming with the idea of gays marrying in church. Because like I said I
don't know how God truly feels about homosexuality anyway, so if that's the case why should I be against it?
I'm glad people like Frederick Douglass, Dr. King and Thurgood Marshall pushed the envelope though. Just being happy with the way things currently are doesn't mean things should stay that way. American was founded by revolutionaries and made better by later revolutionaries. So it's against our nature to just be happy with the status quo and wait until we're all ready for change to happen.