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MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:22 PM) How many starters are back from last year?
ROBJETS Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:23 PM) They had to let defensive players go too. And that's why they refused to pay Chancellor. They don't have the money
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:24 PM) Most of the Defense is back from last season.. who besides the 2nd CB do they not have?
ROBJETS Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:24 PM) I don't know how many starters. I didn't look through the whole active roster from last year to this year. But I know they let a good many starters go too
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:25 PM) Anyway we need them to win
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:26 PM) it puts us in a 4 way tie for the WC
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:26 PM) Maybe Hou can win the division
ROBJETS Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:26 PM) They had to let a corner and safety go from the defense and some dline from the starting line up. And some players on the online too
ROBJETS Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:27 PM) That's why Russel isn't getting protection and Lynch is having a down year
ROBJETS Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:28 PM) Yeah but you need to chr
ROBJETS Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:29 PM) check my list of tiebreakers we are down in division and conference games. If the Jets don't beat the Bills and win most of the conference games no playoffs
ROBJETS Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:31 PM) Plus we are down in schedule strength to everyone in the hunt for the playoffs except Houston but they have the win and tiebreaker against the Jets
ROBJETS Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:32 PM) Oh and also the Bills are below us in schedule strength but have a win against us so have tiebreaker for now
ROBJETS Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:33 PM) Chiefs have the easy schedule in the league got the rest of the season so chances of them not getting in are slim
ROBJETS Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:35 PM) Chiefs and Stelers are in the drivers seat
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:36 PM) Right but there is a lot of games to go still
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:36 PM) who knows maybe we beat Tenn NYG Dal and Buf
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:36 PM) 10-6?? Maybe
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:36 PM) 1 game at a time I agree
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:36 PM) KC and Oakland have to play each other twice
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:38 PM) Pitt Still has to play Cinn and Denver
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:39 PM) Who they may beat.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:41 PM) We just need Sea to win
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:41 PM) Game over
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:41 PM) Hawks win
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:42 PM) Well if they make the PAT
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:42 PM) My bad I thought Pitt had 0 timeouts left
ROBJETS Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:46 PM) I don't trust Denver against any good team with their backup qb in. I except the Chiefs to overtake the division. They really don't trust him either since an injured Manning is the #2 qb. He barely won last week
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:47 PM) Ben is hurt now
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:47 PM) Don't think its anything big tho
ROBJETS Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:48 PM) But Steelers losing today and if they lose against the Bengals would help
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 07:55 PM) Ben has a possible concussion
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 08:08 PM) And Pitt plays Indy next week
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 08:09 PM) If Pittsburgh lose it help if indy lose Houston might be in 1st and have a tie breaker over indy
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 08:16 PM) I just can't wait for Sunday. Me and my brother are going to the game. He's a giants fan. So somebody is going home mad
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 10:46 PM) Where is frosty??.and his MIGHTY DOLPHINS
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 November 2015 - 10:58 PM) Marshall is 70 yards away from being our 1st 1000 yard receiver since cotch in 07
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 12:03 AM) f*** new England!! And gronk is hurt
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 12:04 AM) Nice to see the Pats won't have an undefeated season. That said the wheat her made the difference. Brady is accurate as heck and the snow affected the pass timing with the wr's
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 12:06 AM) Without the snow I couldn't see the Broncos winning that game. But again great to see the Pats chance at a perfect season go down the tubes
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 02:21 PM) Brandon Marshall is the best WR I've seen on the Jets
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Phone Tag And Wrong Numbers: The Collapse Of The Debt Talks

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 12:52 PM

Phone tag and wrong numbers: The collapse of the debt talks
By Carrie Budoff Brown | Politico


As he had done often during their weeks of budget talks, President Barack Obama tried to get House Speaker John Boehner on the phone late Thursday, but never heard back.

The silence continued into Friday, and White House aides began to wonder. It never took this long for the president to get his phone calls returned, particularly from Boehner. After all, the two chatted regularly, forging a working relationship over the many weeks of debt-ceiling negotiations — two men who were each trying to lead their parties someplace they didn’t really want to go.

Obama finally heard from Boehner’s office at 3:30 p.m. Friday: Expect a call in two hours.

No, the president responded, how about right now?

Not possible, Obama was told, the speaker isn’t available.

It was then that the White House knew the president wouldn’t be announcing a grand bargain on the debt and deficit anytime soon. Maybe never.
The speed with which the the latest round of negotiations collapsed — from signs Thursday morning that Obama and Boehner were nearing a deal to a complete breakdown late Friday — was a stunning reversal in the long effort to reach a compromise between the Democratic president and congressional Republicans. It left the country’s credit rating in jeopardy and the president more than a little peeved.

“I couldn’t get a phone call returned,” Obama said Friday, as if still not quite believing it himself. “I’ve been left at the altar now a couple of times.”

Boehner’s aides say the reason he didn’t call back was simple: They didn’t have anything more to discuss. Obama had pressed for more revenue in the package, and Republicans just weren’t going to go for it, Boehner said Friday.

“Sometimes it’s good to back away from the tree and take a look at the forest,” Boehner said. “And yesterday afternoon, after the president demanded more revenue in this package, I came back … away from the tree to take a look at the forest.”

If there’s any short-term political gain, it might go to Obama, who sounded fed up Friday night recounting his half of the story, painting Republicans as ideological purists bent on cutting popular entitlement programs to protect the wealthy. And Obama made clear who was boss — summoning Boehner and other congressional leaders to the White House Saturday morning.

“We have run out of time,” Obama said. “And they are going to have to explain to me how it is that we are going to avoid default.”

His hasty appearance Friday night in the White House briefing room capped a 24-hour period in which Obama went from believing he was on the cusp of an agreement to literally waiting by the phone and ultimately losing the opportunity to seal an historic deficit-reduction deal worth more than $3 trillion.

“I think that one of the questions that the Republican Party is going to have to ask itself is can they say yes to anything? Can they say yes to anything?” Obama said. “I mean, keep in mind it’s the Republican Party that has said that the single most important thing facing our country is deficits and debts. We’ve now put forward a package that would significantly cut deficits and debt. It would be the biggest debt reduction package that we’ve seen in a very long time.”

The negotiations broke down over the same issue that has stalled bipartisan cooperation for months, and tied American politics in knots for the last three decades: taxes.

From the White House’s perspective, Obama and Boehner were on track for a deal Thursday morning. And even though they were furious at the prospect, Democratic congressional leaders thought the same. They were put on notice late Thursday night to expect an announcement as early as Friday morning that Obama and Boehner had agreed to a framework, with plans to release details Monday and hold a House vote by Wednesday.

By that point, Obama had made nearly-unthinkable concessions for a Democratic president.

He agreed to $1.2 trillion cuts in discretionary spending, and almost $250 billion in cuts to Medicare, including changing the eligibility age, eliminating certain supplemental insurance policies and cutting back on some health provider payments. He agreed to a new inflation calculator that would affect Social Security recipients. And he committed to changes to Social Security in order to make the program solvent.

There were just a few outstanding issues, senior administration officials said.

Republicans had proposed rolling back portions of Obama’s prized health care law if Congress failed next year to enact the entitlement and tax changes. Obama, however, wasn’t going for it.

They needed to come to terms on depth of the cuts to Medicaid.

And Obama had wanted an additional $400 billion raised through tax reform, arguing that Boehner was bleeding Republican support and would need to bring more House Democrats on board.

The president spoke with Boehner by phone from the White House Thursday afternoon about the increased revenues, saying if the speaker objected, there were probably other options.

Just get back to me, Obama told Boehner before they hung up.

“He was very open with the speaker, (saying) ‘I understand you may not be able to come up on the revenue and if you can’t, I’m open to doing something else,’” a senior White House official said Friday.

The White House always viewed the details as in flux: as the amount of cuts rose, Obama sought to balance that politically with more revenues. White House aides say the push for $400 billion in additional revenues was never intended to be a make-or-break demand, but more along the lines of hoping for some give on Boehner’s part.

Boehner, however, considered the pitch as an attempt to move the goalposts late in the game.

Boehner was willing to accept a revenue baseline of about $800 billion above what taxes would be if all the current Bush-era tax breaks were extended, a real concession on his part. At a White House meeting last Sunday, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner signed off, Republicans said, on the Boehner proposal — which was a concession in turn by the administration since it had shot for a higher target.

With that potential compromise in place, Boehner felt encouraged to proceed with the talks. But circumstances changed, Republicans said, after the bipartisan Senate “Gang of Six” announced its proposal Tuesday which assumes substantially more new revenue for deficit reduction than the president had sought.

Boehner and Cantor already told the president when he first raised it that they wouldn’t move the revenue target, Republican officials said.

“I do trust him as a negotiator, but you have to understand, every step of this process was difficult,” Boehner said after he ended negotiations. “Dealing with the White House is like dealing with a bowl of Jell-O.”

The speaker spent Thursday night and Friday talking with staff, other Republican leaders and the rank-and-file about the next steps, which is why the president didn’t hear from him, aides said.

Back at the White House, senior administration aides, unaware that the negotiations were in their final hours, spent much of Friday working through technical details with top House Republican staff.

“We expected they were going to work through it,” a senior administration official said. “They were meeting on the Hill all morning.”
But by the time Obama and Boehner connected at 5:30 p.m., House Republican aides were already briefing Hill reporters on why the talks had collapsed.

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 01:21 PM

No matter who you support in these issues, it is nice to see Polititions standing for there beliefs and making good on there pre- election promises.
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Posted 23 July 2011 - 09:39 PM

LMAO. Can someone please explain to me how the Dow is over 12,000? If I'm an investor, I'm pulling my money out of anything that has a remote connection to the US government and shorting the shit out it.

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 10:41 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 23 July 2011 - 09:39 PM, said:

LMAO. Can someone please explain to me how the Dow is over 12,000? If I'm an investor, I'm pulling my money out of anything that has a remote connection to the US government and shorting the shit out it.

If your in for the short term gains that is probably a great move. It will drop soon and you can buy cheap. Thats what I am doing with my wells stock. Once the earnings report comes out Wells will drop. Then I will pounce,
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