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Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 06:37 PM) call em a liar if you want, but I seen it man
santana Icon : (07 October 2015 - 12:52 AM) guess I should enable a character limit for the shoutbox
santana Icon : (07 October 2015 - 12:53 AM) getting a bit out of hand
Jetsman05 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 06:30 AM) Rob you're brutal
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Who should I start this week in fantasy football? Its a PPR league. I can start 3 of the WRs Edelman-/D-Thomas/Mike Evans/James Jones
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Edelman and Thomas are must start
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:31 PM) So do I start Evans against Jax or James Jones vs STL
Jetsfan115 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:45 PM) jones. winston likes jackson more then evans
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 01:47 PM) My two year old daughter is less manic and is able to maintain her composure much better than someone we know here ....
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 03:07 PM) Dolphins have also fired their DC
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:24 PM) I am composed. 115 and I may see things differently but he has never pissed me off. He is just trying to make his point of view and I mine nothing more
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:25 PM) I just feel the rule is a very bad rule to give the offense the ball back for losing the ball in the endzone because of a batted ball and feel the NFL is far to offense firendly these days thats all
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:27 PM) I know many agree with that. I get that many changes have been made to limit things like brain damage and other injuries some season ending and career ending but defenses cant play hard like they used to and pathetic calls on defenses have ruinbed many games.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:29 PM) Thats why brought up the Jets Fish game. The balls were clearly uncatcahable and a light tug on the jersey shouldn't be a pi. Whatever happened to the uncatchable ball rule?"
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:33 PM) and as far as that montage I did have ESPN on for 2 hours after the game because I wanted to see all the reactions and get a clear understanding of this old rule and I never saw a bunch of clips where flags were thrown for the play in question. So I asked for proof. If it was on ESPN it wasn't on ESPN1 maybe ESPN 2 ,3 or news. Its not wrong or brutal to ask for proof when he stated he saw it on ESPN I had the channel on and didn't see what he claimed he saw and still haven't seen any video of proof of his claims
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:36 PM) But as I said not mad at all. 115 and I are cool and always have been Ive never been mad at him in anyway. This is a fan forum and we dispute. If we all agreed on everything there would be no point of the forum. Disputes on stats and calls make things interesting, and makes each of use see things from different points of view
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:56 PM) it was on whatever channel the game itself came on
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:56 PM) and for the record I don't have any issue with anything rob said. I just disagree with it
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) I do think rules are too offense friendly, but I think in this case, when someone blatently breaks a rule ti should be punished
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) but then again pacman got away with ripping off a players helmet and didn't get a penatly
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) refs need to be more consistent
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:04 PM) Hell yeah! Pac 12 AZ State Jaelen Strong. Not a Texans fan but and dont watch a ton of college football but do watch the Pac 12 for football and basketball growing up in Phoenix and also a Suns fan and liking the Cardinals since they moved to AZ .Was a Jets fan though before Az got the cardinals . Strong was really good for AZ State.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:05 PM) Havent studied up on strong for the Texans but will have to since the announcers said he hasnt played much. I want to know if he has been injured or not performing. He has good hands and size
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:08 PM) I actually was debating on starting the Colts witth Jets D on bye week glad I dropped them. Wasn't much to choose from. Some decent defenses but bad matchups. took a chance on the Jags this week hoping they can shut down Tampa
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:10 PM) Oh and thanks for that 115. people took it wrong. we were simply debating our opinions with passion for our love of football with no animosity and people took it wrong. Easy to misunderstand texts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 11:21 AM) yeah people don't realize it's ok to disagree on the internet without it being 2 people hating each other lol
RetireChrebet Icon : (Today, 12:30 PM) I think if the defense touches a live football in the end zone, period, it should be ruled a touchback.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Today, 12:30 PM) Talking about fumbles, not passes, of course.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Today, 12:31 PM) That's the simplest way to combat any confusion about the rule.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Today, 12:32 PM) If you don't like that rule, then don't fumble in the end zone your trying to score in.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 02:21 PM) it's gotta be possession.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Today, 04:03 PM) I know what the rule is. In proposing a rule change. Evidently, the way it is now is too complicated. If a defense touches a live football in the end zone it should be their ball at the 20. Problem solved.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Today, 04:03 PM) I'm*
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 04:44 PM) what if the defense touches it whole trying tor ecover but doens't get it and the offense jumps on it first?
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 05:56 PM) You may not agree with it 115 but the way I look at it is if the offense recovered it it would be a touchdown. Its ok for a punter, qb, or rb ,etc. to deliberately take a safety so they dont get a punt blocked for a td or to avoid giving the ball up on the 1-2 yard line giving up a near definite td. An also those safeties by the O sometimes saves the game because giving up 2 instead of 7 keeps the game in reach at times.
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 06:03 PM) Thats why I disagree with the rule. The offense gets the breaks of only giving up 2 points on O. but when fumbkling into the endzone and out it is always ruled a touchback even if the defender or O tries to recoiver the ball in the endzone and the ball goes out of bounds. Thats why I think batting the ball out of the endzone should still be a touchback instead of giving the ball back to the O that fumbled the ball into the endzone. Just dont feel that they should get a chance to get the ball back for an almost automatic td when they fumbled into the endzone just because of a batted ball. Its something that could litterally cause the defense that made a great play to lose simply because of a vbatted ball. Yet if they try to recover it it and it goes out its a touchback. I just feel its to game changing and a bad rule to give the O the ball back after they messed up bad because that play was the difference between a win and loss. The O fumbles so giving the O the ball back is like saying your great def play was worthless.
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 06:04 PM) Just feel that its a bad rule since it would have almost definitely changed the game winner.
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 06:08 PM) Just to many good rules for the O these days and to many bad rules for the D. this isn't college where offense dominates in most games. In the pros I want to see an equal playing field and not how its become so offensive friendly. Our own Jets have lost a lot of games on defensive calls alone after stopping the O. 3rd down and a mile and a penalty cost a 1st down and in many cases the game for us. Basically that's why I'm against the rule. I want an equal playing field in the pros nothing more.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 06:26 PM) Offense is in control of the ball, they should have that option. Both teams get to play offense it's not unfiar
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 06:26 PM) a major defensive play is more game changing then a major offensive play too.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 06:26 PM) turnover ratio is better linked to win/loss then any other stat
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 06:27 PM) even in your case the offense gives up 2 point and posession back with good field position and ball control
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 06:33 PM) Lets just a agree to disagree on this topic. We both see the situation different and neither of us will budge on this. best we just let it go and see if the NFL starts enforcing the rule more or changes it at some point. Either way. All the coaches and players in the league now know the rule so I doubt it will deliberately happen again any time soon....but then again who knows...in the games there are a lot of stupid fouls out of frustration, taunting, etc.
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 06:34 PM) And the fans and officials are now aware of a rule almost no one but the officials knew.
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 06:37 PM) Heck Im upset that we arent 4-0 right now with all thr mistakes against the Eagles and still almost coming back. I feel we need every win we can get especially with the Bills looking decent and always having to deal with the pats every year. Be nice to win the division for once. So tired of seeing the Pats win and get a bye almost every year.
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Posted 08 September 2011 - 03:51 PM


Patriots have rival Jets in their sights

Playoff loss an added incentive this time around

When the Patriots last saw the New York Jets, there were two deflating images that stood out.

The first was Jets running back Shonn Greene scoring the go-ahead touchdown in the playoffs, placing the ball on the Gillette Stadium turf and pretending to take a nap upon it. The second: Jets coach Rex Ryan bounding down the sidelines and jumping into a joyful dog pile in the end zone.

Those events pushed the Patriots into the offseason, and prompted Ryan to say that while he didn’t think his Jets had quite yet caught the Patriots, “we know we can beat them.”

With those thoughts and disturbing memories fresh in mind, the Patriots went about their business this offseason. And it is with those thoughts and those memories that they emerge for the 2011 season with enough artillery to take down the Jets when it counts.

Of course, the 28-21 playoff loss that ruined a stellar 14-2 regular season wasn’t the sole reason why Bill Belichick acquired receiver Chad Ochocinco, defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth and the rest of the veterans that comprise this season’s squad. “I don’t think you build a team based on a handful of plays,” Belichick said.

But during a flurry of broad-view moves after a locked-out offseason, the man whose rings Ryan won’t kiss did enough to put his team in position to stomp on the feet that receiver Wes Welker famously tweaked.

“I think we have a chance,” Belichick told the Herald in his understated way. “I think there are some things that are OK. I think there are some other things that need work. Whether those will work out or not, I don’t know. I honestly don’t see how anybody can know where they are right now. You haven’t faced teams that game plan for you and attack your weaknesses.”

That kind of game plan is what the Jets executed in order to beat the Pats twice last season, most importantly in that playoff upset. The Patriots return in 2011 ready to deal with that. Whether their roster additions were made with the Jets in mind or not, it’s impossible to look at what was done and not consider how they might affect this red-hot rivalry.

• Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez wasn’t touched in that playoff game. Welcome edge rushers Mark Anderson, Andre Carter and Shaun Ellis, all of whom have eclipsed 10 sacks in a season. And then there’s Haynesworth, who’s specialty is to push the pocket up the middle.

“For a man of his size, Haynesworth has incredible quickness,” said Greg Cosell, executive producer of NFL Matchup. “He is a great inside rusher.”

• The Pats receivers only totaled 128 yards in the playoff game against Jets star cornerback Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie. Welcome Ochocinco, one of the game’s premier weapons against man-to-man coverage.

“I’m really good at one thing,” Ochocinco said. “Getting open and catching the ball.”

• Jets receivers victimized Pats cornerbacks for two touchdowns against tight coverage. Welcome 6-foot-1 rookie Ras-I Dowling and a healthy Leigh Bodden back into the fold.

•Tom Brady was attacked from all sides while being sacked five times. Welcome Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters to solidify the middle and play opposite star guard Logan Mankins. Don’t forget the Pats drafted first-round tackle Nate Solder to ensure Brady’s future and signed defensive end Shaun Ellis away from the Jets — a guy that sacked Brady twice.

A broader vision

The moves should help in the Border War, even if Belichick didn’t have the luxury of simply reacting to the last loss. The coach maintains that he doesn’t create a team with a magnifying glass pointed at one game book.

The Patriots played the Jets three times last season, with two losses sandwiched around a 45-3 shellacking. In Belichick’s mind, none of those specific performances led to his desire to pick up the phone and deal.

That’s not how the evaluation process works.

“We had a whole body of work,” Belichick said. “We saw our team over 16 regular-season games, four preseason games and a playoff game. Based on all that, there are certain areas that you feel like you need to improve in. You have your draft choices, you have your free agency, you have trades, you have younger players in your system that can improve and you try to improve wherever you can.”

Either way, it wouldn’t be the first time a team acquired a player with an opponent in mind. Ex-Jets coach Eric Mangini said that’s what he did with Ohio State center Nick Mangold in 2006.

“When I got to New York, the thought process was, ‘If you wanted to win the division, you had to beat New England,’ ” said Mangini, now an ESPN analyst. “That hasn’t changed. One of the reasons that we wanted Nick Mangold was so that we could handle Vince Wilfork. If you didn’t have somebody who could match up with him, you couldn’t run the ball in the middle of the defense.”

In a rivalry, how can you resist? Belichick was clear that no minds were altered after the playoff game. But it didn’t hurt.

“You say, ‘Here’s our football team,’ ” Belichick said. “What do we need to do to have a better football team? Of course, part of it is reflected on the season that you had last year, but that’s in the books. We played the same team and played a lot better in one game and not so good in another game. There were three different games.”

Loss left a mark

What the Jets did to the Patriots in the playoffs was ugly.

They mixed up their coverages and frustrated Brady by locking down his outside receivers and check-downs. They ran at the Patriots with their physical manner, allowing Sanchez to relax. They forced Brady to second-guess himself by not blitzing as much.
“Sometimes it’s a simple game made complicated by coaches,” Ryan told NFL Network this summer. “I try to take that out. Let’s make this game about the way it’s always meant to be played and that’s fast, physical and fun.”

Brady, who recently declared that he’ll “never get over” the playoff loss to the Jets, had five games with a below 100 passer rating in 2010. Two were against the Jets, showing that some weaknesses had been identified.

Teams go into a season aware that some issues can be exploited in certain matchups. “And then if there’s anybod y else that can (exploit the weakness), then you might be in trouble,” Belichick said.
One cause of the playoff loss isn’t going away — Brady. Yes, Brady.

Cosell, also senior producer NFL Films for 31 years, went back to his notes to break down the game and began committing virtual blasphemy. He took issue with the reigning MVP’s performance (29-of-45, 299 yards, two touchdowns, one interception) more than anything. Cosell began reading from notes, saying how Brady didn’t recognize a blitz by defensive back Drew Coleman. It was one of several examples.

“Now, that rarely happens,” Cosell said. “With Tom Brady, you can count on one hand over the last five years when Brady got surprised by a blind-side blitzer. And then, Brady was over-reactive to pressure — he perceived pressure at times when it was not there. Brady saw ghosts in this game. He was not sharp mentally.”

Cosell wasn’t alone. ESPN’s analyst Ron Jaworski used a similar phrase: “To a certain degree they spooked Tom Brady in that game.”

The Jets confused him, rushing three when he thought they were bringing the house, then switching back. Brady was frazzled and wound up holding the ball rather than targeting his receivers. His focus this preseason?

“Decision-making, which is something I have been thinking about,” Brady said.

Brady readily admitted the Jets are on his mind, too. He’s not alone, even as Welker says with a straight faced, “I think we measure ourselves against everybody.”

The Patriots, winners of the AFC East in the last two seasons, believe they’ve improved several areas that were targeted. But will that be enough to trump the Jets in the playoffs?

Don't watch me, watch T.V. Pats are very uneasy about us and they should be.


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Posted 08 September 2011 - 05:43 PM

These are the same things they did yo us when we had chad as QB they took away our passing game totally except for check downs and draws.our O line is the big question Mark no doubt about it.
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Posted 10 September 2011 - 01:04 AM

View PostS-Dubb, on 08 September 2011 - 01:51 PM, said:

Don't watch me, watch T.V. Pats are very uneasy about us and they should be.

this article is a joke seriously. chad is gonna beat revis? he couldn't do that 2 years ago. ellis eclipsing 10 sacks? when we have a 4-3 D and abe on the other side and like 8 years ago. haynesworth? hasn't done shit in 3 years. pats are grasping at straws. onlt thing they have is brady and belli and brady is 35

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