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Iraq War Agree or Disagree

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Posted 19 April 2005 - 10:34 PM

a1elbow have you ever been to a thrid world country? The problems here do not compare to the problems around the world. The standard of living here is the highest in the world and continues to increase. A free Market is the only choice. at least you have the opportunity to raise out of poverty, instead of being held back in it like socialism. Oh lets give them enough food and money to sustain life at a minimal level and call it welfare. Give me a break, Look at Starr Parker, a woman who rose out of nothing to be a prominant woman in America. She couldn't do that in Germany or France that's for sure. I agree we have problems, but they don't compare to anything else around the world.

I'm not arguing against you directly, but I just don't see evidence supporting anyother form of economy then Capitolism. All GOOD economists will tell you a Free Market is best. And that has nothing to do with how much money that particular economist makes. It's the truth as shown by our high standard of living.

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Posted 19 April 2005 - 10:58 PM

American Capitalism is the key. PLenty of other countries have workable forms of it. But America has begun to tilt like a sinking ship because the country has always operated on the notion of unlimited growth. We had an entire country out there for us to claim. But now we are finding limits. Much of our natural resources are gone, and we are actually to the point where we can see the horizon, the point where we begin to run out.

I didn't feel this way not that long ago, but when I moved out and didn't have anything but NBC, I realised NOT having TV is a beautiful thing. I didn't have advertising slammed into my face all day, and turst me, it makes a differnce.

Ah, heck I could go on and on in this line...

America has a long way to go towards being a poverty stricked country where people have to drink their own piss, I know. Never did I say America was the worst country in the world, but I also didn't say it was the best or the peak of governmental evolution.
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Posted 20 April 2005 - 12:20 AM

it's just change. if you look at american history there is always some sort of crisis. we have plenty of resources, as does the world, we just have problems distributing them. we do distribute it the best because of how our government is set up. there are other countries that are up there with us like canada and norway but we are way up there at the top.

if your referring to oil shortages it could be solved by drilling on our own soil. there is the environmental issue but there is also the issue of us having to be dependent on opec. opec loves it when we don't want to drill on our own soil. it's simple supply and demand. they have no competition.

you can't be a person that yells war for oil and be against drilling on our own soil. you can, which alot of democrats are, but you can also be called a retard. i care about the environment also but we have to find a way to not be dependent on the middle east whether it is from a different power source or our own oil supply.

i live on the west coast and i look to the ocean and see a bunch of abandoned oil derricks that are about 5-10 miles off shore every day. they are abandoned because tree huggers were afraid that there would be a spill on our coast and flipper would die. they have been abandoned since the early '70s when california banned drilling off of its coast. there hasn't been drilling for 30 years but you still get tar on the bottom of your feet every time you go to the beach. this is because the area is rich with oil that it seeps out of the ground all by itself.

we cant drill though because most of the people in california, especially in the city i live in, care more about dolphins than human beings. then they have the audacity to blame mr. bush or halibarton or the house of saud when all they have to do is look in the mirror. the west has looked at the middle east as an oil pump for almost as long as we've had internal combustion engines. the funny thing is that people complain about how it only costs 10 cents for a gallon of oil in iraq and we have to pay $2.58 for 87 octane now. do they think that oil teleports to the usa from the middle east? i'm not sure. i'm just saying that we would be paying significantly less for oil, just like the people in the middle east, if we could drill on our own soil. they have a phrase for it and it's called nimby. not in my back yard. i'm glad i have someplace to write all this stuff. i don't mean to offend anyone i just need to express myself.

they even took it to the point where i get a $35 dollar ticket if i don't move my car for a little street sweeper to sweep the curb outside my apartment building twice a week. the sad thing is that people think that it helps out the dolphins in the channel. it's like no, it helps finance the city. i wish there was a mr. ed that was a dolphin and we could ask him if the street sweeping helps him migrate past our city any better. i'd bet he'd say that he didn't even notice that we were doing it.
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Posted 20 April 2005 - 01:59 AM

Take a look at the list of 45 "Nations"

Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau, anyone know where they are ??
Philippines ? (heavily dependent on US support and a country desperate to become more important than it is)

I could go on...that list is irrelevant "spin" by Bush and Blair.

Those of you who have been here a long time know I'm a serving member of the Brtitish Air Force - so I think I possibly have a valid opinion.

The war is deeply unpopular over here - The majority of Brits (and Europeans in general) see Bush as a dangerous, religeous fundementalist equally as dangerous as those he claims to be fighting.

Two reasons for this war 1. Oil money/ reconstruction money for his friends
2. A Right-wing Christian crusade to take us back to the
dark ages.

There is a theory that he's following his weird biblical teachings that when war occurs in Babylon (Iraq) it will proceed the second coming. Book of Revelation I think..

Schools over in the US are refusing to teach about Dinosaurs and evolutiuon...
Radio and TV is increasingly censored (see J Jackson hysteria)
Civil liberties increasingly eroded...

Religion will eventually kill us all.
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Posted 20 April 2005 - 06:48 AM

You're right UKJet. Those countries have nothing. The only reason I know about Palua is because it was a battle in WWII. Most natins there are islands.
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Posted 20 April 2005 - 08:06 AM

QUOTE (Chadforpresidentin08 @ Apr 19 2005, 08:45 PM)
But wait, don't we have weapons of mass destruction? So really we should be bombed, not nesseccarily Iraq. Any one wanna explain that to me besides the fact we'd kick their sorry little asses back?


Because we are humans, we respect each other and their beliefs (as you can see by this thread), we went into Iraq and fought the people that were killing and beating normal people because of what they said or believed in. We the US are not like these people, a majority of the world is not like these people. And if someone in this country started doing what they did the majority of americans would stand up and make it right. Do not compare us to them.
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Posted 20 April 2005 - 12:01 PM

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Posted 20 April 2005 - 03:35 PM

a few things.....

i havent read every single post, because there are 3 pages of them, but i can see that there havent been any ignorant people from what ive seen. knowing from experince, i can tell you that people in that region and else where that you may think hate america dont. im just saying this to head off anyone trying to come in here with the "just nuke them" philosophy, because most of them probably have never left the country, and they dont know what they are talking about. my father came here from algeria when he was 19, so i go there a lot to see my cousins, grandparents, uncles, etc. they all hate tyrants, completely hate bin laden, and cried and cried after 9/11.

now onto the war. i would recommend you all see fahrenheit 911. you have to take it with a grain of salt because anything can be slanted, but it is more moderate than many people think. and for the soldiers/vets in here that are going to say it is against them, just witness the mother of two children serving in iraq, and the product of a family in which all the men served, from flint, michigan who talks about how she hated the anit-war protestors because she said, like some of you, that it was a slap in the face to anyone serving. but then she says she realized they were protesting the beaurocracy that sent them there, and she realized that they recognized the soldiers were just following orders. they werent against the soldiers, they were against the gov't that sentenced many of them to death. anyway, if you see it, there are many great points on how the wars in iraq and afghanistan were largely a game that the govt played to gain economically.

my opinion: afghanistan had to happen because of them harboring al qaeda, but even though it would would mean more soldiers being sent there and dying, i think they should have come out with more of a force to get bin laden and all them as soon as they could. like they said in the movie, there are more cops in new york than soldiers in afghanistan.

as for iraq, i think the government rode the wave of anti-arab sentiment to invade iraq for oil and other reasons. there are no ties between al qaeda and iraq, and if they were really going after al qaeda, they would go after saudi arabia because something like 11 of the hijackers were from there, but they dont because saudi arabia controls a lot of the oil, and are a major player in opec.

now that the gung-ho, kill them all mentality is fading, everyone is coming to their senses and demanding answers in iraq, and the government doesnt have them.

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i havent read every single post, because there are 3 pages of them, and i can see that there havent been any ignorant people from what ive seen, but knowing from experince, i can tell you that people in that region and else where that you may think hate america dont. im just saying this to head off anyone trying to come in here with the "just nuke them" philosophy, because most of them probably have never left the country, and they dont know what they are talking about. my father came here from algeria when he was 19, so i go there a lot to see my cousins, grandparents, uncles, etc. they all hate tyrants, completely hate bin laden, and cried and cried after 9/11.


The people who see 1000 people in another country burning a flag on TV and want to bomb the whole country are the same people who see 1000 people in America protesting then sneer and say, "that's all they could get to show up, hah!"

They're also the same people who watch a news program about the schools in various Arab countries teaching children to hate Americans...and then insult Arabs at the dinner table with their kids watching.

Ignorance is ignorance, whatever country it is in.
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Posted 20 April 2005 - 03:49 PM

remind me of what schools they are teaching kids to hate americans. and by the way... we can say it, people are against muslims it doesnt have to be "people in other countries." there are, i think, over a billion muslims in the world, so i think people have to realize that 100 of them on *FOX* doesnt mean that all muslims are against this country

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Posted 20 April 2005 - 04:31 PM

i know that when americans protest against the war they aren't against the troops and they are against the bureaucracy that sent them there. i say it is a slap in the face because it insults the intelligence of people that joined up to protect this country. beleive it or not this war isn't to make some rich white guys even richer. this war is a direct opposite reaction to the action of the towers getting bombed on 9/11. period. when someone that beleives in this war hears someone say its a war for oil it insults them. they feel like the whoever that is saying "war for oil" doesn't know what they are talking about. i know about all the oil deals that resulted from this war but i still feel that we didn't go over there for that oil. the oil is an after effect or a spoil of war or whatever you want to call it. the oil isn't what caused this war though. someone saying that it is war for oil is misinformed.

we didn't go over there to take out muslims or fulfill a biblical prophesy. we went over there to take out saddam. i don't hate muslims as a christian man. the bible tells me to love people especially if they are muslim or different than me. i feel that a muslim or an irishman or even timothy mcveigh turns to terrorism because they are out of touch with reality. this is caused by a multitude of things that this world has to offer. muslims in america don't usually resort to terrorism because they have it good in america and have no need to blow anything up. it's like what gandhi said "poverty is the worst form of violence." bin laden is the opposite of impoverished but he does prey on muslim people that are impoverished to do what he wants them to do. most people know that the majority of muslims are peace loving people but you cant deny the fact that some of them are out to kill people of western/christian culture. it's just like some christians think that it's the thing to do to get bit by pit vipers or to marry multiple women. i don't think that they are very good christians.

as for michael moore movies. you have to take what he says with a little more than a grain of salt. i think more like the whole salt shaker. i disected his movie bowling for columbine from top to bottom and pretty much the whole thing was a fraud and slander. he just doesn't tell the truth. you can call it spin or slant but where i come from we call it lies. i havn't watched his 9/11 movie because of how flagrant bowling was but i'm thinking about doing it so that i can disect that one also.
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Posted 20 April 2005 - 04:31 PM

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Schools over in the US are refusing to teach about Dinosaurs and evolutiuon...
Radio and TV is increasingly censored (see J Jackson hysteria)
Civil liberties increasingly eroded


WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT!!!??

That is not only true but ignorant and a sweeping generalization. Schools that teach creationism are few and far between. This isn't the 50's anymore. And UK you know these things because you've been to those schools right?

Why should Janett Jackson be allowed to flash the world? It's her private parts, not the worlds. Little children don't need to see that, if I was young I'd be effected by that. You are talking about civil librities when your country doesn't have the rights ours does.

Liberalism is going to kill us all. My statement was just as ignorant as yours is.

I love Brits, they have a great sense of humour and culture, but when Tony Blair is the democrat and everyone hates him for being far too conservative, then there's a problem. You don't have enough difference of opinions. Remember, the political spectrum is not a spectrum, it's a circle, and the farther left you go the closer to totalitarian and far right controlling you become.
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Posted 20 April 2005 - 04:42 PM

QUOTE (LocoJet @ Apr 20 2005, 06:06 PM)
i know that when americans protest against the war they aren't against the troops and they are against the bureaucracy that sent them there. i say it is a slap in the face because it insults the intelligence of people that joined up to protect this country. beleive it or not this war isn't to make some rich white guys even richer. this war is a direct opposite reaction to the action of the towers getting bombed on 9/11. period. when someone that beleives in this war hears someone say its a war for oil it insults them. they feel like the whoever that is saying "war for oil" doesn't know what they are talking about. i know about all the oil deals that resulted from this war but i still feel that we didn't go over there for that oil. the oil is an after effect or a spoil of war or whatever you want to call it. the oil isn't what caused this war though. someone saying that it is war for oil is misinformed.

we didn't go over there to take out muslims or fulfill a biblical prophesy. we went over there to take out saddam. i don't hate muslims as a christian man. the bible tells me to love people especially if they are muslim or different than me. i feel that a muslim or an irishman or even timothy mcveigh turns to terrorism because they are out of touch with reality. this is caused by a multitude of things that this world has to offer. muslims in america don't usually resort to terrorism because they have it good in america and have no need to blow anything up. it's like what gandhi said "poverty is the worst form of violence." bin laden is the opposite of impoverished but he does prey on muslim people that are impoverished to do what he wants them to do. most people know that the majority of muslims are peace loving people but you cant deny the fact that some of them are out to kill people of western/christian culture. it's just like some christians think that it's the thing to do to get bit by pit vipers or to marry multiple women. i don't think that they are very good christians.

as for michael moore movies. you have to take what he says with a little more than a grain of salt. i think more like the whole salt shaker. i disected his movie bowling for columbine from top to bottom and pretty much the whole thing was a fraud and slander. he just doesn't tell the truth. you can call it spin or slant but where i come from we call it lies. i havn't watched his 9/11 movie because of how flagrant bowling was but i'm thinking about doing it so that i can disect that one also.


as for the first paragraph, i think mabye we should make a distinction between the iraq war and the afghanistan war, because i think many people will agree, that they were fought for different purposes. and also, anyone who doesnt agree with you isnt automatically misinformed. there are two different opinions on this issue.

as to the second paragraph, i agree completely

for the third paragraph, i havent seen bowling for columbine, so i wouldnt know about it, but i really think you should see fahrenheit 911. even if you consider it the most flagrant thing you've ever seen, it wont hurt to see it, and i think you will be surprised. whether you think it is because of the movie only showing the one point of view, or the straight facts, it turned my 83 year old, life-long republican, grandmother into an independant/democrat. judge that for yourself.

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Posted 20 April 2005 - 04:43 PM

i think you're all being a little hysterical about this now
HermIMH - Liberalism will not kill us all
a1elbow - Capitalism is not the axis of all evil

i think what someone needs to do is tell us all what Iraq did to warrant the U.S. taking it over.
and make it a straight foward answer. short and concise.
i dont want any of this tiptoeing around the facts bullshit
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Posted 20 April 2005 - 05:13 PM

QUOTE (haveyouseenpenningtonplay @ Apr 20 2005, 04:18 PM)
i think you're all being a little hysterical about this now
HermIMH - Liberalism will not kill us all
a1elbow - Capitalism is not the axis of all evil

i think what someone needs to do is tell us all what Iraq did to warrant the U.S. taking it over.
and make it a straight foward answer. short and concise.
i dont want any of this tiptoeing around the facts bullshit


Never said it was, as I have already said. I said American Capitalism is. Our society requires constant growth in all areas to keep from collapsing. Being that resources are, eventually, limited, you can't keep consuming at the rate us Americans do.

Look at the packaging we use. A bag of chips contains mostly air so that it looks more full. As a product of that, we have extra trash. One bag of ships isn't a big deal, but millions? That is a lot of trash. THe companies that know that saving one cent on an item they sell millions of means they make an extra million dollars need to realise that the effect works in many ways.

Wal-mart is running rampant over small business. I live in the heart of Wal-Mart country, a town with population under 90,000. Right now, the company is working on building two supercenters (in addition to the one we already have). Most of the grocery stores in town are esseniallt preparing to shut down. One of the supercenters will be directly across the street from a Hyvee.
The company also just blackmailed the town. The residents near one proposed site were trying to prevent it from being built, so Wal-Mart told them they could stop protesting and get an "attractive" red brick store or continue fighting and get a "Big Box" style building.

Our form of Capitalism puts money as it's chief concern. We haven't built a system to help us, we've gotten ourselves into a system we feed. It is a proven fact Americans have less vacation time and work longer areas than almost any other country in the world. And most people never get ahead because we are coerced into thinking we need as many things as we can or deserve to have the heating or air conditioning on year round...

once again, I could go on all day. America isn't the Axis of Evil (don't put words into my mouth, it is a really shitty thing to do), but it isn't the harbinger of a Golden Age either. The sooner we realise that we have to face the ugliness we live within the easier it will be to save ourselves and future generations from it.
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Posted 20 April 2005 - 05:23 PM

So we should bomb Wal-Mart too......
LOL

I just was wondering on something? Why did congress allow us to go into Iraq, approve the budjet for Iraq if we went in for nothing?
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Posted 20 April 2005 - 05:25 PM

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So we should bomb Wal-Mart too......
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I just was wondering on something?  Why did congress allow us to go into Iraq, approve the budjet for Iraq if we went in for nothing?


Uh, because the President and his cabinet persented them with faulty information? And don't say it isn't true, because it is what various commisons have been saying for months now.
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Posted 20 April 2005 - 05:40 PM

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as for the first paragraph, i think mabye we should make a distinction between the iraq war and the afghanistan war, because i think many people will agree, that they were fought for different purposes. and also, anyone who doesnt agree with you isnt automatically misinformed. there are two different opinions on this issue.


i think anyone that says it's war for oil is misinformed. it's my opinion. whether i'm right or not is debatable. i think i'm right about it or else i wouldn't have written what i did. if you look at the ballot in the '04 election you could probably say that i'm right seeing as how the repubs had 10 million more votes than the dems. even that is debatable. all of the war for oil and all the things kerry and moore said about it was laid before the american people before the election. the majority of the people voted for bush. who knows? i don't. i hope i can ask god someday.
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for the third paragraph, i havent seen bowling for columbine, so i wouldnt know about it, but i really think you should see fahrenheit 911. even if you consider it the most flagrant thing you've ever seen, it wont hurt to see it, and i think you will be surprised. whether you think it is because of the movie only showing the one point of view, or the straight facts, it turned my 83 year old, life-long republican, grandmother into an independant/democrat. judge that for yourself.


it would hurt to see it because micheal moore is like hitler when it comes to seducing an audience. look it up on the web. a good one about moore is called moorelies.com. try to ignore all of the right wing propaganda but it does tell the truth about how he uses video editing and how he just flat out lies to deceive the audience. from the git-go bowling was a lie. he said he named the title "bowling for columbine" was because the two boys went bowling before they went and shot up the school but the police reports said they ditched the first part of the day because they were getting all of there bomblets and guns and ammo together not bowling. the whole movie he does things like this. in bowling for columbine he probably does it for money because he doesn't like civilian gun ownership and parts of it are anti war. so pretty much he is getting money to spread his own political views.

as for your grandmother, it is exactly why he is such a dangerous person. my best friend is now spouting stuff that moore has said in his movies and now i want to start *beep* slapping people. the point is that his movies are made of smoke and mirrors and have 10% fact clouded by 90% bullshit. thats how he does it. he's like the guy in huck fin selling snake oil.

it's a know fact that EVERY president comes out of the white house a richer man. the sick thing is that moore is getting significantly richer from this war than anyone else that he is pointing fingers at. *beep* cheney gets $2 million from halibarton? that is chump change compared to what moore gets. he is going around wearing his jeans and his cap like he is poor like me but he lies to people to sell movies. he's going around saying how he is a "patriot" and how he is exposing the evil bush regime but he's full of shit. he's a major scumbag in my book.

my advice to you is to rent bowling or 9/11 and find a website that will help you disect one of his movies. the first time i watched bowling i was with my friends and they were all sitting there chuckling but i was sitting there thinking that something stinks. i went onto a website and found out about how he lies to people. i rented bowling again and read off the internet as i paused and played with my dvd player and pretty much everything he says in bowling is a lie. i couldn't believe my eyes.
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Posted 20 April 2005 - 05:46 PM

for the websites.... you are convinced that the movie swayed people using lies. any chance the websites employ the same tactic? and it seems that you have your opinion and you arent going to be swayed from that. so without the danger of the movie making you vote for hilary in '08, why not see it and open yourself up to another, albeit slanted, point of view

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for the websites.... you are convinced that the movie swayed people using lies. any chance the websites employ the same tactic? and it seems that you have your opinion and you arent going to be swayed from that. so without the danger of the movie making you vote for hilary in '08, why not see it and open yourself up to another, albeit slanted, point of view


Which is exactly why you can't believe any one source. Far too many people get their information from just really conservative sources or just very liberal sources. You can't believe what people that show any sort of bias are reporting. If someone writes a story, before you go around quoting what they say in it, you have to check their sources.

Those websites (I have never seen them, so I'm assuming here) are most likely just the far right version of Moore. Plenty of what he says is true. He is a sensationalist and bends the facts to what he wants, just like many media outlets. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have anything right, it just means he doesn't have everything right.
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