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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
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.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Posted 18 November 2011 - 06:59 PM

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Re-Focused Ė Jets @ Broncos, Week 11
November 18th, 2011 | Author: Khaled Elsayed

Wasnít this ĎTebow Phaseí meant to have passed by now? Instead, the Denver Broncos and their divisive quarterback are making an improbable playoff charge thanks to some clutch play and excellent work on defense. It may leave John Elway with a bitter taste in his mouth as the unconventional QB keeps winning, but for now the Broncos have stumbled on a formula that works, so credit to John Fox for making the necessary adjustments to make his team win now.

As for the Jets what can you really say? With their offensive line not performing this was the kind of game they needed Mark Sanchez to step up and make plays. He didnít though and itís a regular season trend that has turned into a way of life now as the third-year man continues to fail to capitalize on a talented roster. You only need to look at the frustration of his receivers (particularly Santonio Holmes) after another inaccurate pass leaves his hand to know it simply isnít good enough. Still, you canít place the blame solely at the ĎSanchizeí, as we break down our performances of note.



New York Jets Ė Three Performances of Note

The Immovable Object and Unstoppable Force

It wasnít a great day for the Jets but there was one performance on defense that really stood out. Iím looking at you, Sione Pouha (+4.3). The mammoth NT has taken a little time to warm up this year but has put in three excellent performances on the trot, with this being his most impressive. He tied with David Harris for the lead in defensive stops (five) and was a nuisance all game, giving J.D. Walton in particular a hard time as he beat the Broncos center for two tackles for no gain, and another three for less than three yards. A fine example of his work comes with 10:53 to go in the third. He stands Walton up at the point of attack, before freeing himself from the block to bring the ball carrier down for a one yard gain. Itís what he has done for the past two and a half years and itís about time more people started realizing it.



An off day for the O-line

You could see Wayne Hunter (-4.4) having a bad day considering he was up against Von Miller, but Nick Mangold (-3.2)? That I did not see coming as this generationís best center simply couldnít handle Brodrick Bunkley. In addition to firing a direct snap to Joe McKnight with too much velocity, Mangold had absolutely no joy against Bunkley unless he was getting double team help (such as 5:19 to go in the third). Itís something of a surprise because the Jets center looked back to his best against the Patriots last week, but he just couldnít follow it up. The challenge now will be to see how he responds.



Manic Mark

What to make of Mark Sanchez (-0.8)? He can do some pretty special things. Go back to his fourth down conversion with 34 seconds left in the game. Thatís a great throw at any time of the game, let alone to keep your team in it after youíve just taken a big sack. But then go further back to his pick six at the 4:32 mark in the third. A bad throw, but itís the decision making process that is the most alarming thing. He may win the playoffs when he avoids making critical errors, but over the past two and a half years he is the biggest reason the Jets havenít, and donít look like, mounting a serious challenge to the Patriots. Until he can perform in the regular season, does anyone see that changing?



Denver Ė Three Performances of Note

In Brod they trust

Coming out of this game there are plenty of stories to talk about, but one that is likely to get overlooked is the simply fantastic performance of Brodrick Bunkley (+6.5). Itís nothing new, as he has made life tough for plenty of centers, but after previously doing a lot of good work against rookies Mike Pouncey and Stefan Wiesniewski, this time he did it against one of the greats, Mangold. The Bronco DT was too much to handle, as he went to work on Mangold and Matt Slauson on his way to five tackles (all of which were defensive stops). A lot of teams should be on notice about Bunkley after this game given his contract is up at the end of the year, and if they need an example of what he is capable of, look at 9:38 in the second. The former Eagle explodes off the snap and off the right shoulder of Mangold who canít even slow him down as he meets Joe McKnight in the backfield. He was huge in shutting the run down.



How long can it continue Ė Part 1?

So Tim Tebow (+1.1) rallied and his team and scored the game winning touchdown. However he was in that position because he was frankly terrible, once again, when it came to throwing the ball. He may have started the game off with a quite superb throw to Demaryius Thomas, but from there it was pretty brutal to watch, as he managed to continually over and under throw receivers. Iím not telling you anything you donít know already as Tebow completed just 50% of passes when he wasnít pressured, and just 25% when he was Ė the kind of numbers that will catch up with you eventually. On the positive side he did win again, and his rushing is always a danger. Even if it took some horrible play from Eric Smith to make his TD run possible.



How long can it continue Ė Part 2?

Someone should tell Von Miller (+8.7) about a little thing called the rookie wall. Instead of slumping the Bronco linebacker is getting stronger and stronger as the season wears on, with his latest victim being Hunter. The Jets attempted to slow down Miller by keeping Matthew Mulligan into block 11 times while lined up next to Wayne Hunter, but whenever they didnít Miller wasnít far from making them pay. Remembering we count half sacks as full sacks, Miller end up with two sacks, two hits and three pressures on the day as he tormented Sanchez with a couple of big hits, and his clutch fourth quarter sack. It wasnít just his pass rushing that earned him his grade though, as he made a number of big plays in the run game. The only blemish was being sealed inside by Mulligan with 14:48 left in the fourth. Aside this was a near perfect game for the man who should be Rookie of the Year.



Game Notes

- Darrelle Revis stats on the day? No receptions allowed on the two balls throw at him, though he can thank an errant throw from Tebow preventing one completion.

- The Broncos defense missed only three tackles Ė by contrast the Jets missed eight (three of them from Jim Leonhard).

- Denver had nine players pick up at least one bit of pressure (sack, hit or hurry) on Sanchez (19 overall). The Jets picked up nine pressures between them).



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Itís a tough one and I couldnít argue with anyone going for Miller after that clutch sack. But the Jets lost this game because they couldnít run the ball effectively, and they couldnít run the ball effectively because of Brodrick Bunkley.


still blame sanchez? 19 pressures by Den by 9 diff players????????
about half his dropbacks he had pressure on him. thats not acceptable by the o-line. I'm starting to think the poor o-line play is the biggest reason for the offensive failures. games are won in the trenches and our o-line is losing too much. and its not just hunter.
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Posted 18 November 2011 - 07:36 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 18 November 2011 - 05:59 PM, said:

still blame sanchez? 19 pressures by Den by 9 diff players????????
about half his dropbacks he had pressure on him. thats not acceptable by the o-line. I'm starting to think the poor o-line play is the biggest reason for the offensive failures. games are won in the trenches and our o-line is losing too much. and its not just hunter.

I dont believe there is one thing we can say is the problem. I do however thing Mark gets more blame than deserved. Here is my Offensive blame list

1)Schitty. It seems I can predict the play before its run. Lack of adjustments leaving us in a bad positions. Hunter was having trouble all game and no help to his side.

2) I know Keller is considered a talent but he is a liability as a blocker. We have a missing gap here.

3)Hunter has not lived up to his Playoff perfomance of last year. He needs help on most plays and Schitty seems unlikely to supply.

4)Lack of explosive players on the Offense all over. Greene is a pounder Plax is a big target with limited deep threat.

Basicly I think Sanchez is hancuffed with horrid coaching and with the lack of talent and inability to adapt he is doomed before we start.
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Posted 18 November 2011 - 10:35 PM

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 11:12 PM

It's a concoction of piss, shit, and vinegar. Piss poor O-Line, Schitty, and the erratic play of Sanchez(Vinegar!?WTF).
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Posted 19 November 2011 - 11:50 PM

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no but i hear its good
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