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Jets win 3-1. Beat dolphins so bad that philbin isnt allowed back from england.
Jetsman05 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 06:30 AM) Rob you're brutal
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Who should I start this week in fantasy football? Its a PPR league. I can start 3 of the WRs Edelman-/D-Thomas/Mike Evans/James Jones
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Edelman and Thomas are must start
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:31 PM) So do I start Evans against Jax or James Jones vs STL
Jetsfan115 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:45 PM) jones. winston likes jackson more then evans
RetireChrebet Icon : (08 October 2015 - 01:47 PM) My two year old daughter is less manic and is able to maintain her composure much better than someone we know here ....
azjetfan Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:07 PM) Dolphins have also fired their DC
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:24 PM) I am composed. 115 and I may see things differently but he has never pissed me off. He is just trying to make his point of view and I mine nothing more
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:25 PM) I just feel the rule is a very bad rule to give the offense the ball back for losing the ball in the endzone because of a batted ball and feel the NFL is far to offense firendly these days thats all
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:27 PM) I know many agree with that. I get that many changes have been made to limit things like brain damage and other injuries some season ending and career ending but defenses cant play hard like they used to and pathetic calls on defenses have ruinbed many games.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:29 PM) Thats why brought up the Jets Fish game. The balls were clearly uncatcahable and a light tug on the jersey shouldn't be a pi. Whatever happened to the uncatchable ball rule?"
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:33 PM) and as far as that montage I did have ESPN on for 2 hours after the game because I wanted to see all the reactions and get a clear understanding of this old rule and I never saw a bunch of clips where flags were thrown for the play in question. So I asked for proof. If it was on ESPN it wasn't on ESPN1 maybe ESPN 2 ,3 or news. Its not wrong or brutal to ask for proof when he stated he saw it on ESPN I had the channel on and didn't see what he claimed he saw and still haven't seen any video of proof of his claims
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:36 PM) But as I said not mad at all. 115 and I are cool and always have been Ive never been mad at him in anyway. This is a fan forum and we dispute. If we all agreed on everything there would be no point of the forum. Disputes on stats and calls make things interesting, and makes each of use see things from different points of view
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) it was on whatever channel the game itself came on
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) and for the record I don't have any issue with anything rob said. I just disagree with it
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) I do think rules are too offense friendly, but I think in this case, when someone blatently breaks a rule ti should be punished
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) but then again pacman got away with ripping off a players helmet and didn't get a penatly
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) refs need to be more consistent
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:04 PM) Hell yeah! Pac 12 AZ State Jaelen Strong. Not a Texans fan but and dont watch a ton of college football but do watch the Pac 12 for football and basketball growing up in Phoenix and also a Suns fan and liking the Cardinals since they moved to AZ .Was a Jets fan though before Az got the cardinals . Strong was really good for AZ State.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:05 PM) Havent studied up on strong for the Texans but will have to since the announcers said he hasnt played much. I want to know if he has been injured or not performing. He has good hands and size
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:08 PM) I actually was debating on starting the Colts witth Jets D on bye week glad I dropped them. Wasn't much to choose from. Some decent defenses but bad matchups. took a chance on the Jags this week hoping they can shut down Tampa
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:10 PM) Oh and thanks for that 115. people took it wrong. we were simply debating our opinions with passion for our love of football with no animosity and people took it wrong. Easy to misunderstand texts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:21 AM) yeah people don't realize it's ok to disagree on the internet without it being 2 people hating each other lol
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 12:30 PM) I think if the defense touches a live football in the end zone, period, it should be ruled a touchback.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 12:30 PM) Talking about fumbles, not passes, of course.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 12:31 PM) That's the simplest way to combat any confusion about the rule.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 12:32 PM) If you don't like that rule, then don't fumble in the end zone your trying to score in.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 02:21 PM) it's gotta be possession.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 04:03 PM) I know what the rule is. In proposing a rule change. Evidently, the way it is now is too complicated. If a defense touches a live football in the end zone it should be their ball at the 20. Problem solved.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 04:03 PM) I'm*
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:44 PM) what if the defense touches it whole trying tor ecover but doens't get it and the offense jumps on it first?
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 05:56 PM) You may not agree with it 115 but the way I look at it is if the offense recovered it it would be a touchdown. Its ok for a punter, qb, or rb ,etc. to deliberately take a safety so they dont get a punt blocked for a td or to avoid giving the ball up on the 1-2 yard line giving up a near definite td. An also those safeties by the O sometimes saves the game because giving up 2 instead of 7 keeps the game in reach at times.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:03 PM) Thats why I disagree with the rule. The offense gets the breaks of only giving up 2 points on O. but when fumbkling into the endzone and out it is always ruled a touchback even if the defender or O tries to recoiver the ball in the endzone and the ball goes out of bounds. Thats why I think batting the ball out of the endzone should still be a touchback instead of giving the ball back to the O that fumbled the ball into the endzone. Just dont feel that they should get a chance to get the ball back for an almost automatic td when they fumbled into the endzone just because of a batted ball. Its something that could litterally cause the defense that made a great play to lose simply because of a vbatted ball. Yet if they try to recover it it and it goes out its a touchback. I just feel its to game changing and a bad rule to give the O the ball back after they messed up bad because that play was the difference between a win and loss. The O fumbles so giving the O the ball back is like saying your great def play was worthless.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:04 PM) Just feel that its a bad rule since it would have almost definitely changed the game winner.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:08 PM) Just to many good rules for the O these days and to many bad rules for the D. this isn't college where offense dominates in most games. In the pros I want to see an equal playing field and not how its become so offensive friendly. Our own Jets have lost a lot of games on defensive calls alone after stopping the O. 3rd down and a mile and a penalty cost a 1st down and in many cases the game for us. Basically that's why I'm against the rule. I want an equal playing field in the pros nothing more.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:26 PM) Offense is in control of the ball, they should have that option. Both teams get to play offense it's not unfiar
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:26 PM) a major defensive play is more game changing then a major offensive play too.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:26 PM) turnover ratio is better linked to win/loss then any other stat
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:27 PM) even in your case the offense gives up 2 point and posession back with good field position and ball control
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:33 PM) Lets just a agree to disagree on this topic. We both see the situation different and neither of us will budge on this. best we just let it go and see if the NFL starts enforcing the rule more or changes it at some point. Either way. All the coaches and players in the league now know the rule so I doubt it will deliberately happen again any time soon....but then again who knows...in the games there are a lot of stupid fouls out of frustration, taunting, etc.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:34 PM) And the fans and officials are now aware of a rule almost no one but the officials knew.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:37 PM) Heck Im upset that we arent 4-0 right now with all thr mistakes against the Eagles and still almost coming back. I feel we need every win we can get especially with the Bills looking decent and always having to deal with the pats every year. Be nice to win the division for once. So tired of seeing the Pats win and get a bye almost every year.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 11:12 PM) Why do the Jets DBs have to talk about the Giants WRs!!? Why can't they just worry about our own team.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 11:13 PM) I think all jets fans remember the last time our DBs talked crap about a Giants WR..
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 11:13 PM) The jets should just worry about the Jets!!
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Posted 18 November 2011 - 06:59 PM


Re-Focused Ė Jets @ Broncos, Week 11
November 18th, 2011 | Author: Khaled Elsayed

Wasnít this ĎTebow Phaseí meant to have passed by now? Instead, the Denver Broncos and their divisive quarterback are making an improbable playoff charge thanks to some clutch play and excellent work on defense. It may leave John Elway with a bitter taste in his mouth as the unconventional QB keeps winning, but for now the Broncos have stumbled on a formula that works, so credit to John Fox for making the necessary adjustments to make his team win now.

As for the Jets what can you really say? With their offensive line not performing this was the kind of game they needed Mark Sanchez to step up and make plays. He didnít though and itís a regular season trend that has turned into a way of life now as the third-year man continues to fail to capitalize on a talented roster. You only need to look at the frustration of his receivers (particularly Santonio Holmes) after another inaccurate pass leaves his hand to know it simply isnít good enough. Still, you canít place the blame solely at the ĎSanchizeí, as we break down our performances of note.

New York Jets Ė Three Performances of Note

The Immovable Object and Unstoppable Force

It wasnít a great day for the Jets but there was one performance on defense that really stood out. Iím looking at you, Sione Pouha (+4.3). The mammoth NT has taken a little time to warm up this year but has put in three excellent performances on the trot, with this being his most impressive. He tied with David Harris for the lead in defensive stops (five) and was a nuisance all game, giving J.D. Walton in particular a hard time as he beat the Broncos center for two tackles for no gain, and another three for less than three yards. A fine example of his work comes with 10:53 to go in the third. He stands Walton up at the point of attack, before freeing himself from the block to bring the ball carrier down for a one yard gain. Itís what he has done for the past two and a half years and itís about time more people started realizing it.

An off day for the O-line

You could see Wayne Hunter (-4.4) having a bad day considering he was up against Von Miller, but Nick Mangold (-3.2)? That I did not see coming as this generationís best center simply couldnít handle Brodrick Bunkley. In addition to firing a direct snap to Joe McKnight with too much velocity, Mangold had absolutely no joy against Bunkley unless he was getting double team help (such as 5:19 to go in the third). Itís something of a surprise because the Jets center looked back to his best against the Patriots last week, but he just couldnít follow it up. The challenge now will be to see how he responds.

Manic Mark

What to make of Mark Sanchez (-0.8)? He can do some pretty special things. Go back to his fourth down conversion with 34 seconds left in the game. Thatís a great throw at any time of the game, let alone to keep your team in it after youíve just taken a big sack. But then go further back to his pick six at the 4:32 mark in the third. A bad throw, but itís the decision making process that is the most alarming thing. He may win the playoffs when he avoids making critical errors, but over the past two and a half years he is the biggest reason the Jets havenít, and donít look like, mounting a serious challenge to the Patriots. Until he can perform in the regular season, does anyone see that changing?

Denver Ė Three Performances of Note

In Brod they trust

Coming out of this game there are plenty of stories to talk about, but one that is likely to get overlooked is the simply fantastic performance of Brodrick Bunkley (+6.5). Itís nothing new, as he has made life tough for plenty of centers, but after previously doing a lot of good work against rookies Mike Pouncey and Stefan Wiesniewski, this time he did it against one of the greats, Mangold. The Bronco DT was too much to handle, as he went to work on Mangold and Matt Slauson on his way to five tackles (all of which were defensive stops). A lot of teams should be on notice about Bunkley after this game given his contract is up at the end of the year, and if they need an example of what he is capable of, look at 9:38 in the second. The former Eagle explodes off the snap and off the right shoulder of Mangold who canít even slow him down as he meets Joe McKnight in the backfield. He was huge in shutting the run down.

How long can it continue Ė Part 1?

So Tim Tebow (+1.1) rallied and his team and scored the game winning touchdown. However he was in that position because he was frankly terrible, once again, when it came to throwing the ball. He may have started the game off with a quite superb throw to Demaryius Thomas, but from there it was pretty brutal to watch, as he managed to continually over and under throw receivers. Iím not telling you anything you donít know already as Tebow completed just 50% of passes when he wasnít pressured, and just 25% when he was Ė the kind of numbers that will catch up with you eventually. On the positive side he did win again, and his rushing is always a danger. Even if it took some horrible play from Eric Smith to make his TD run possible.

How long can it continue Ė Part 2?

Someone should tell Von Miller (+8.7) about a little thing called the rookie wall. Instead of slumping the Bronco linebacker is getting stronger and stronger as the season wears on, with his latest victim being Hunter. The Jets attempted to slow down Miller by keeping Matthew Mulligan into block 11 times while lined up next to Wayne Hunter, but whenever they didnít Miller wasnít far from making them pay. Remembering we count half sacks as full sacks, Miller end up with two sacks, two hits and three pressures on the day as he tormented Sanchez with a couple of big hits, and his clutch fourth quarter sack. It wasnít just his pass rushing that earned him his grade though, as he made a number of big plays in the run game. The only blemish was being sealed inside by Mulligan with 14:48 left in the fourth. Aside this was a near perfect game for the man who should be Rookie of the Year.

Game Notes

- Darrelle Revis stats on the day? No receptions allowed on the two balls throw at him, though he can thank an errant throw from Tebow preventing one completion.

- The Broncos defense missed only three tackles Ė by contrast the Jets missed eight (three of them from Jim Leonhard).

- Denver had nine players pick up at least one bit of pressure (sack, hit or hurry) on Sanchez (19 overall). The Jets picked up nine pressures between them).

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Itís a tough one and I couldnít argue with anyone going for Miller after that clutch sack. But the Jets lost this game because they couldnít run the ball effectively, and they couldnít run the ball effectively because of Brodrick Bunkley.

still blame sanchez? 19 pressures by Den by 9 diff players????????
about half his dropbacks he had pressure on him. thats not acceptable by the o-line. I'm starting to think the poor o-line play is the biggest reason for the offensive failures. games are won in the trenches and our o-line is losing too much. and its not just hunter.

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 07:36 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 18 November 2011 - 05:59 PM, said:

still blame sanchez? 19 pressures by Den by 9 diff players????????
about half his dropbacks he had pressure on him. thats not acceptable by the o-line. I'm starting to think the poor o-line play is the biggest reason for the offensive failures. games are won in the trenches and our o-line is losing too much. and its not just hunter.

I dont believe there is one thing we can say is the problem. I do however thing Mark gets more blame than deserved. Here is my Offensive blame list

1)Schitty. It seems I can predict the play before its run. Lack of adjustments leaving us in a bad positions. Hunter was having trouble all game and no help to his side.

2) I know Keller is considered a talent but he is a liability as a blocker. We have a missing gap here.

3)Hunter has not lived up to his Playoff perfomance of last year. He needs help on most plays and Schitty seems unlikely to supply.

4)Lack of explosive players on the Offense all over. Greene is a pounder Plax is a big target with limited deep threat.

Basicly I think Sanchez is hancuffed with horrid coaching and with the lack of talent and inability to adapt he is doomed before we start.
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Posted 18 November 2011 - 10:35 PM

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 11:12 PM

It's a concoction of piss, shit, and vinegar. Piss poor O-Line, Schitty, and the erratic play of Sanchez(Vinegar!?WTF).
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Posted 19 November 2011 - 11:50 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 18 November 2011 - 07:35 PM, said:

Do you have a PFF premium account

no but i hear its good

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