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MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) good
MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) Best day of the week is the day after a Jets Win!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
santana Icon : (19 September 2016 - 08:08 AM) Thanks professor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (23 September 2016 - 03:55 PM) updated roster. FB howsare released, TE bowman added to roster
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Posted 18 November 2011 - 06:59 PM

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Re-Focused Ė Jets @ Broncos, Week 11
November 18th, 2011 | Author: Khaled Elsayed

Wasnít this ĎTebow Phaseí meant to have passed by now? Instead, the Denver Broncos and their divisive quarterback are making an improbable playoff charge thanks to some clutch play and excellent work on defense. It may leave John Elway with a bitter taste in his mouth as the unconventional QB keeps winning, but for now the Broncos have stumbled on a formula that works, so credit to John Fox for making the necessary adjustments to make his team win now.

As for the Jets what can you really say? With their offensive line not performing this was the kind of game they needed Mark Sanchez to step up and make plays. He didnít though and itís a regular season trend that has turned into a way of life now as the third-year man continues to fail to capitalize on a talented roster. You only need to look at the frustration of his receivers (particularly Santonio Holmes) after another inaccurate pass leaves his hand to know it simply isnít good enough. Still, you canít place the blame solely at the ĎSanchizeí, as we break down our performances of note.



New York Jets Ė Three Performances of Note

The Immovable Object and Unstoppable Force

It wasnít a great day for the Jets but there was one performance on defense that really stood out. Iím looking at you, Sione Pouha (+4.3). The mammoth NT has taken a little time to warm up this year but has put in three excellent performances on the trot, with this being his most impressive. He tied with David Harris for the lead in defensive stops (five) and was a nuisance all game, giving J.D. Walton in particular a hard time as he beat the Broncos center for two tackles for no gain, and another three for less than three yards. A fine example of his work comes with 10:53 to go in the third. He stands Walton up at the point of attack, before freeing himself from the block to bring the ball carrier down for a one yard gain. Itís what he has done for the past two and a half years and itís about time more people started realizing it.



An off day for the O-line

You could see Wayne Hunter (-4.4) having a bad day considering he was up against Von Miller, but Nick Mangold (-3.2)? That I did not see coming as this generationís best center simply couldnít handle Brodrick Bunkley. In addition to firing a direct snap to Joe McKnight with too much velocity, Mangold had absolutely no joy against Bunkley unless he was getting double team help (such as 5:19 to go in the third). Itís something of a surprise because the Jets center looked back to his best against the Patriots last week, but he just couldnít follow it up. The challenge now will be to see how he responds.



Manic Mark

What to make of Mark Sanchez (-0.8)? He can do some pretty special things. Go back to his fourth down conversion with 34 seconds left in the game. Thatís a great throw at any time of the game, let alone to keep your team in it after youíve just taken a big sack. But then go further back to his pick six at the 4:32 mark in the third. A bad throw, but itís the decision making process that is the most alarming thing. He may win the playoffs when he avoids making critical errors, but over the past two and a half years he is the biggest reason the Jets havenít, and donít look like, mounting a serious challenge to the Patriots. Until he can perform in the regular season, does anyone see that changing?



Denver Ė Three Performances of Note

In Brod they trust

Coming out of this game there are plenty of stories to talk about, but one that is likely to get overlooked is the simply fantastic performance of Brodrick Bunkley (+6.5). Itís nothing new, as he has made life tough for plenty of centers, but after previously doing a lot of good work against rookies Mike Pouncey and Stefan Wiesniewski, this time he did it against one of the greats, Mangold. The Bronco DT was too much to handle, as he went to work on Mangold and Matt Slauson on his way to five tackles (all of which were defensive stops). A lot of teams should be on notice about Bunkley after this game given his contract is up at the end of the year, and if they need an example of what he is capable of, look at 9:38 in the second. The former Eagle explodes off the snap and off the right shoulder of Mangold who canít even slow him down as he meets Joe McKnight in the backfield. He was huge in shutting the run down.



How long can it continue Ė Part 1?

So Tim Tebow (+1.1) rallied and his team and scored the game winning touchdown. However he was in that position because he was frankly terrible, once again, when it came to throwing the ball. He may have started the game off with a quite superb throw to Demaryius Thomas, but from there it was pretty brutal to watch, as he managed to continually over and under throw receivers. Iím not telling you anything you donít know already as Tebow completed just 50% of passes when he wasnít pressured, and just 25% when he was Ė the kind of numbers that will catch up with you eventually. On the positive side he did win again, and his rushing is always a danger. Even if it took some horrible play from Eric Smith to make his TD run possible.



How long can it continue Ė Part 2?

Someone should tell Von Miller (+8.7) about a little thing called the rookie wall. Instead of slumping the Bronco linebacker is getting stronger and stronger as the season wears on, with his latest victim being Hunter. The Jets attempted to slow down Miller by keeping Matthew Mulligan into block 11 times while lined up next to Wayne Hunter, but whenever they didnít Miller wasnít far from making them pay. Remembering we count half sacks as full sacks, Miller end up with two sacks, two hits and three pressures on the day as he tormented Sanchez with a couple of big hits, and his clutch fourth quarter sack. It wasnít just his pass rushing that earned him his grade though, as he made a number of big plays in the run game. The only blemish was being sealed inside by Mulligan with 14:48 left in the fourth. Aside this was a near perfect game for the man who should be Rookie of the Year.



Game Notes

- Darrelle Revis stats on the day? No receptions allowed on the two balls throw at him, though he can thank an errant throw from Tebow preventing one completion.

- The Broncos defense missed only three tackles Ė by contrast the Jets missed eight (three of them from Jim Leonhard).

- Denver had nine players pick up at least one bit of pressure (sack, hit or hurry) on Sanchez (19 overall). The Jets picked up nine pressures between them).



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Itís a tough one and I couldnít argue with anyone going for Miller after that clutch sack. But the Jets lost this game because they couldnít run the ball effectively, and they couldnít run the ball effectively because of Brodrick Bunkley.


still blame sanchez? 19 pressures by Den by 9 diff players????????
about half his dropbacks he had pressure on him. thats not acceptable by the o-line. I'm starting to think the poor o-line play is the biggest reason for the offensive failures. games are won in the trenches and our o-line is losing too much. and its not just hunter.
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Posted 18 November 2011 - 07:36 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 18 November 2011 - 05:59 PM, said:

still blame sanchez? 19 pressures by Den by 9 diff players????????
about half his dropbacks he had pressure on him. thats not acceptable by the o-line. I'm starting to think the poor o-line play is the biggest reason for the offensive failures. games are won in the trenches and our o-line is losing too much. and its not just hunter.

I dont believe there is one thing we can say is the problem. I do however thing Mark gets more blame than deserved. Here is my Offensive blame list

1)Schitty. It seems I can predict the play before its run. Lack of adjustments leaving us in a bad positions. Hunter was having trouble all game and no help to his side.

2) I know Keller is considered a talent but he is a liability as a blocker. We have a missing gap here.

3)Hunter has not lived up to his Playoff perfomance of last year. He needs help on most plays and Schitty seems unlikely to supply.

4)Lack of explosive players on the Offense all over. Greene is a pounder Plax is a big target with limited deep threat.

Basicly I think Sanchez is hancuffed with horrid coaching and with the lack of talent and inability to adapt he is doomed before we start.
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Posted 18 November 2011 - 10:35 PM

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 11:12 PM

It's a concoction of piss, shit, and vinegar. Piss poor O-Line, Schitty, and the erratic play of Sanchez(Vinegar!?WTF).
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Posted 19 November 2011 - 11:50 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 18 November 2011 - 07:35 PM, said:

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no but i hear its good
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