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HarlemHxC814 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:29 PM) I'm still pissed off about that
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:43 PM) Its not that Im worried about the preseason game itself. i could care less about that. Its the fact of how bad we got destroyed. And some of the guys will be on the team and others on the fringe so getting destroyed like that doesnt fill me with confidence
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:44 PM) It would be one thing if it was just the second half or 4th quarter but this was the whole game. especially getting destroyed in the 1st quarter and at least part of the 2nd where a lot of the guys will be on the team
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:48 PM) 2nd and 3rd stringers making the team had something to prove and even our 2nd stringers got owned so yes Im very concerned. The first stringers need breaks and also if some of them get injured they need to step up. So no after this performance start to finish Im very concerned
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 06:39 AM) Meh...you're reading too much into it
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 06:40 AM) Even in seasons where the Jets blew, I haven't seen anyone refer to the preseason to complain. Ever.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:15 AM) fire izdik http://theredzone.or...rs/Default.aspx
Jetsman05 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 11:17 AM) I picture Rob and 115 as real life friends
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 04:01 PM) Holmes can still play, problem is that hes also a cancer. He wore out his welcome with the Jets
ganggreen2003 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 08:23 PM) did Hill get cut?
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:00 PM) Haven't seen anything yet
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:06 PM) Whos ready for the season!!? WOOOOO
azjetfan Icon : (30 August 2014 - 11:54 AM) Hill has been cut
MikeGangGree... Icon : (30 August 2014 - 01:24 PM) Who wants to take bets he ends up in NE
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:18 PM) We'll I guess you guys are fools then in thinking im a fool for being concerned. Do any of you even know that in 2013 the Jets gave up the most passing yards in the franchise since 1986? And our secondary right now is worse than last year right now. To not be concerned is utterly foolish.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:19 PM) Unless our d-line has a monstrous year odds are the team will be eaten up in the pass. Every team will game plan to exploit the pass this year.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:56 PM) Patterson got cut
flood555 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:24 PM) Patterson must have been a huge cancer to get cut
flood555 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:26 PM) is there a midseason draft? we need a DB!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:58 PM) Our week 1 starting CBs will be Antonio Allen and Darrin Walls... wow
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:58 PM) interesting that Simms and Boyd were released
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 04:00 PM) No more McIntyre
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:20 PM) Pretty sure some of these cuts like Simms and McIntyre were made for removing some more cap space to try to find some decent corners and maybe another reliable wr. Possibly get some players cheap. I'd say the current 53 roster will change a good bit in the next week.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:23 PM) I just hope Geno doesn't get hurt or we are horse f*cked. Vick sure as hell can't stay healthy for a full season. I guess the FO could also be think of picking up an old vet cut as 3rd qb. Simms is ok but I'd never trust him to win a regular season game if he was put in.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:25 PM) Anyway it's going yo be an interesting week.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 10:18 PM) I doubt it was about freeing up money, considering we are way under. Like more than $20 mil, way more than enough to find some vet minimum CB
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 10:19 PM) it's more about the roster numbers. McIntyre was replaced by rookies. IK showed flashes when he played
bleedsgreen Icon : (31 August 2014 - 08:34 AM) McIntyre is a shock to me he was a solid backup and made some big plays
ganggreen2003 Icon : (31 August 2014 - 04:44 PM) 1 week till we are 1-0
ganggreen2003 Icon : (31 August 2014 - 04:44 PM) we need to annihilate the GAYders
azjetfan Icon : (31 August 2014 - 05:28 PM) We claimed McFadden from the Browns. Knows the system should be able to contribute right away
azjetfan Icon : (31 August 2014 - 05:29 PM) Watching the Browns game now. Playing all three CB spots. Looks OK. A little grabby although he has not been called for it
azjetfan Icon : (31 August 2014 - 05:30 PM) Might be a little aggressive and get burnt over top
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (31 August 2014 - 10:26 PM) FIRE IDZIK
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:58 AM) ^^^ agreed
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 12:25 PM) all the admins on this page should be fired
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 12:25 PM) for being assclowns
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:17 PM) The Jets are fucked at CB, signing some bums now. We need Milliner to get healthy
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 04:20 PM) We have signed CB Phillip Adams
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 05:55 PM) The Gayders are playing Derek Carr against the JETS
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 05:55 PM) our D Line better put him in a WORLD OF PAIN
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 06:11 PM) Rookie QB in our house...Rex do your thing!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 09:56 PM) with Antonio Allen and Darrin Walls as our starting CBs
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:00 PM) our offense should be better than last year, Geno looks more comfortable
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Time Is Ticking For Mark Sanchez To Prove The Jets Made The Right Decision In Drafting Him

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Posted 24 November 2011 - 12:58 PM

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Eli Manning and Mark Sanchez have more in common than being New York quarterbacks whose teams gave up an awful lot to get them.

Sanchez may never be as good as Manning is right now. He may never win a Super Bowl or a Super Bowl MVP. But at a similar point in his career, Manning was playing as poorly as Sanchez is right now. Well, if misery loves company, that at least has to give the Jets some hope.

The Jets should be worried about Sanchez, who has regressed this season and forced Rex Ryan to attempt to wake up him by giving Mark Brunell a handful of first-team snaps this week. The little trick, right out of Coaching 101, worked last year in the week leading up to a big victory in Pittsburgh.

Still, in a meaningful spot, Brunell has as much chance of playing this season as Joe Namath.

Tom Coughlin never played mind games with Manning, but maybe he should have. In fact, even after Manning won the Super Bowl in his fourth season in 2007, the doubts about him returned, especially after he threw an NFL-high 25 interceptions last season.

Sanchez, midway through his third season, has started 41 regular-season games. Manning started his 41st regular-season game in the second game of his fourth season in 2007, the Super Bowl season.

The perception about Manning then and Sanchez now is almost identical: Could the Giants or the Jets ever win the Super Bowl with their quarterback?


Manning and the Giants struggled through the 2007 season, not clinching a wild-card spot until they won in Buffalo in the 15th game, and then the quarterback and the team got red hot in the playoffs and began a magical ride to the Vince Lombardi Trophy.

Sanchez and the Jets are struggling. There is not the slightest evidence they will win the Super Bowl this year based on how they are playing - or even make the playoffs despite a schedule over the next three weeks (Bills, Redskins, Chiefs) that makes it seem as if they hand-picked the games.

Sanchez’s ability to win a Super Bowl looks less likely each time he steps on the field. But the same could be said about Manning toward the end of his fourth season. In the game after Thanksgiving in the Super Bowl season, Manning had three interceptions returned for TDs in a 41-17 loss to the Vikings and three weeks later completed just 18 of 53 passes (34%) in a loss to the Redskins.

At comparative stages of their careers, neither Manning nor Sanchez was lighting it up.

Consider a few things by the time Manning and Sanchez had 41 regular-season starts:

-- Manning’s record was 20-21. Sanchez is 24-17. Manning, who took over as the Giants’ starter in the 10th game of his rookie year, lost his first six starts. Sanchez, who started from the first game of his rookie year, won his first three starts.

-- Manning had thrown for 8,506 yards with 59 TDs and 46 INTs and completed 54.7% of his passes. Sanchez has thrown for 8,068 yards with 43 TDs and 43 INTs and completed 55.2%. Manning had thrown for 16 more TDs, the INTs were about the same and Manning had thrown for an average of 11 yards more per game. Other than the TDs, the numbers are fairly similar.

-- Big difference: Manning was 0-2 in the playoffs. Sanchez is 4-2 and has taken the Jets to the AFC title game in his first two seasons. Sanchez has been a more effective quarterback in the playoffs than he has been in the regular season, completing more than 60% of his passes each year.



The Jets are 5-5 this season after Sanchez’s 41st start resulted in an embarrassing loss to the Broncos in a game in which he threw his third pick-six of the season. The Giants were 0-2 at the start of the 2007 season after Manning had started his 41st game.

I asked Manning yesterday at what point in a quarterback’s career does the game start to slow down rather than being at a frenzied pace.

“I think just when you start to understand what you are doing,” he said. “I don’t think there is a time frame. You know the offense inside and out and have a good understanding of the protections, have a plan of what you are doing and all of a sudden, if the plan doesn’t work, have a backup plan.”


When did that happen for him?

“I don’t have an exact time,” he said.

All this means is that there is hope for Sanchez with no guarantees.

What’s disturbing is he doesn’t seem to be learning from his mistakes, then beats himself up after games, says he has to get better, and doesn’t.

He has two years remaining after this one on his five-year, $50 million rookie deal. The Jets have a recent history of taking care of their core players before they play out their contracts, so presumably they will want to make a decision on Sanchez by the end of the 2012 season.

If not, he will be playing for a new contract during the 2013 season. But he must take his game to a new level for the Jets to justify making another huge financial commitment to him.

And if he’s not any better than he is right now in two years, the Jets may have a huge decision to make: Do they start over at quarterback?



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Posted 24 November 2011 - 01:02 PM

Maybe I'll read this article, but I stopped pretty quick when it implied Manning was playing well. Dude throws and fumbles as many games away as he wins. Overrated, blah, blah, blah.
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Exterminate all rational thought, that is the conclusion I have come to
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Posted 24 November 2011 - 06:02 PM

Eli Manning WILL NEVER WIN ANOTHER SUPERBOWL. BOOK IT!! The 07 Giants defense played out of their minds that year. I'm sick of the Eli comparisons. He's not Eli, not even close. Eli was brought up different then Sanchez. Eli was given room to flourish within the passing game. The Jets hold back, afraid to unleash him to the wolves. I'm tired of this damn offense.

I wouldn't say time is ticking because he's got 2 years left of his deal but it's time to get an accomplished veteran in here who can legitimately compete for the gig.
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Posted 24 November 2011 - 11:38 PM

I agree with you Dubb to a point. Honestly though I don't know why people are comparing Mark to anyone. Like him or not he hasn't proven a thing. People say he is 4-2 in playoffs but the way I see it if the Jets wouldn't have had the running game or the defense they did Mark wouldn't have even been in the playoffs let alone win them.Mark is not a scoring machine. If he throws three tds in a game that is like a career game for him. Normally a good game for him is 2.

Eli is no Peyton that's for sure but Eli does have some skill and that's a fact. he makes a lot of mistakes but he still has proven he can win games consistently with his arm. Mark hasn't proved a thing yet.At this point I cant see Mark even comparing to Eli. Eli has his issues but if had the running game and defense the Jets had the last two years I'm positive he would have at least been in the Superbowl and believe he would have won them.Eli can win games with his arm and he isn't a one half qb like Mark has proven to be. We all know Mark usually only gets going in the 2nd half.

Maybe its Schotty and maybe its Mark. We don't know what Mark will accomplish with more experience but so far to this point he is far below an average qb.

I'm not counting him out and as much as he pisses me off I still want to see him as the starter for at least one more year. If he doesn't become an above average qb after 4 seasons years of play though I personally will personally want him gone after 4 seasons and will absolutely be against him.

Like Mark or not this isn't a diaper league. Mark may be progressing but slowly inst an option> Jets paid for a franchise winning qb and even average wont be enough. We want a consistent winner not an average game manager at best.However anyone feels about Mark he was brought in and expected to be the future of the Jets and be an elite qb...not a below average,average or even a little above average. Elite is what he was brought in to be.

To sum it up If Mark is for real he needs to silence all his doubters next year so we can end this debate of who he really is. He needs to shut up his doubters by the end of next year or gtfo of New York. If he still plays sub-par or even average his whole 4th year and the Jets keep him a 5th year there will be a major uproar.
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Posted 25 November 2011 - 12:29 AM

View PostROBJETS, on 24 November 2011 - 11:38 PM, said:

I agree with you Dubb to a point. Honestly though I don't know why people are comparing Mark to anyone. Like him or not he hasn't proven a thing. People say he is 4-2 in playoffs but the way I see it if the Jets wouldn't have had the running game or the defense they did Mark wouldn't have even been in the playoffs let alone win them.Mark is not a scoring machine. If he throws three tds in a game that is like a career game for him. Normally a good game for him is 2.

Eli is no Peyton that's for sure but Eli does have some skill and that's a fact. he makes a lot of mistakes but he still has proven he can win games consistently with his arm. Mark hasn't proved a thing yet.At this point I cant see Mark even comparing to Eli. Eli has his issues but if had the running game and defense the Jets had the last two years I'm positive he would have at least been in the Superbowl and believe he would have won them.Eli can win games with his arm and he isn't a one half qb like Mark has proven to be. We all know Mark usually only gets going in the 2nd half.

Maybe its Schotty and maybe its Mark. We don't know what Mark will accomplish with more experience but so far to this point he is far below an average qb.

I'm not counting him out and as much as he pisses me off I still want to see him as the starter for at least one more year. If he doesn't become an above average qb after 4 seasons years of play though I personally will personally want him gone after 4 seasons and will absolutely be against him.

Like Mark or not this isn't a diaper league. Mark may be progressing but slowly inst an option> Jets paid for a franchise winning qb and even average wont be enough. We want a consistent winner not an average game manager at best.However anyone feels about Mark he was brought in and expected to be the future of the Jets and be an elite qb...not a below average,average or even a little above average. Elite is what he was brought in to be.

To sum it up If Mark is for real he needs to silence all his doubters next year so we can end this debate of who he really is. He needs to shut up his doubters by the end of next year or gtfo of New York. If he still plays sub-par or even average his whole 4th year and the Jets keep him a 5th year there will be a major uproar.



The Giants had a better run game than the Jets last season and Eli threw 25 INTs.

Ahmad Bradshaw-1,235 yards 4.5 average 8 TDs
Brandon Jacobs-823 yards 5.6 average 9 TDs

LaDainian Tomlinson-914 yards 4.2 average 6 TDs (started off good and our offense was rolling, then struggled a lot of the season)
Shonn Greene-766 yards 4.1 average 2 TDs

We lack a feature back, teams don't even respect our run game anymore. This year our run game blows.

And its not just about the playoff record, Sanchez has picked up his game in the playoffs.

94 QB rating 1,155 yards 60% 9 TD 3 INTs 7.36 YPA

Its much better than how any other young QB has performed in the playoffs. The Jets defense had meltdowns in the last 2 AFC championships during halves.
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Posted 27 November 2011 - 03:01 AM

Oh really. Well I think you better go look at the Game log

The Jets defense didn't have a meltdown against the Steelers. Steelers were held scoreless the 2nd half and mark only mangaed 3 points the first half and played his usual second half game while doing nothing in the first half

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New York Jets
Pittsburgh Steelers
19 24
1 2 3 4
NYJ 0 3 7 9
PIT 7 17 0 0

2010
New York Jets
Indianapolis Colts
17 30
1 2 3 4
NYJ 0 17 0 0
IND 0 13 7 10


Wow Mark was a one quarter qb this game. Maybe the defense wasnt the greatest but way to once again deflect the blame.marks meltdown in scoring was way worse than any meltdown the defense had. Yeah Marks great......
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Posted 27 November 2011 - 07:12 AM

View PostROBJETS, on 27 November 2011 - 03:01 AM, said:

Oh really. Well I think you better go look at the Game log

The Jets defense didn't have a meltdown against the Steelers. Steelers were held scoreless the 2nd half and mark only mangaed 3 points the first half and played his usual second half game while doing nothing in the first half

2011
New York Jets
Pittsburgh Steelers
19 24
1 2 3 4
NYJ 0 3 7 9
PIT 7 17 0 0

2010
New York Jets
Indianapolis Colts
17 30
1 2 3 4
NYJ 0 17 0 0
IND 0 13 7 10


Wow Mark was a one quarter qb this game. Maybe the defense wasnt the greatest but way to once again deflect the blame.marks meltdown in scoring was way worse than any meltdown the defense had. Yeah Marks great......


The Steelers ran all over the Jets in the first half, manhandled them in fact. Yea they recovered in the 2nd half and played a great half, but that first half was the definition of a meltdown.
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Posted 27 November 2011 - 12:12 PM

View PostROBJETS, on 27 November 2011 - 03:01 AM, said:

Oh really. Well I think you better go look at the Game log

The Jets defense didn't have a meltdown against the Steelers. Steelers were held scoreless the 2nd half and mark only mangaed 3 points the first half and played his usual second half game while doing nothing in the first half

2011
New York Jets
Pittsburgh Steelers
19 24
1 2 3 4
NYJ 0 3 7 9
PIT 7 17 0 0

2010
New York Jets
Indianapolis Colts
17 30
1 2 3 4
NYJ 0 17 0 0
IND 0 13 7 10


Wow Mark was a one quarter qb this game. Maybe the defense wasnt the greatest but way to once again deflect the blame.marks meltdown in scoring was way worse than any meltdown the defense had. Yeah Marks great......


The Steelers had the best defense in football and were at home, you can't expect a 2nd year QB to throw for 350+ yards and 4 TDs vs them. The Jets couldn't keep the Steelers offense off the field in the first half, they started the game off with a 10 minute drive. That isn't putting the offense in a good position against an elite defense.

And when the offense woke up, the defense couldn't make a stop to get them the ball back. If the defense came out there and remembered how to tackle we would have won that game. Ben Roethlisberger was outplayed by Sanchez that game, which brings up another point. If our defense didn't drop 3 INTs we probably win.
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