NYJetsFan.com Forums: Time Is Ticking For Mark Sanchez To Prove The Jets Made The Right Decision In Drafting Him - NYJetsFan.com Forums

Jump to content

Toggle shoutbox NYJETSFAN BANTER

Jets vs Chiefs Sunday 4:30est
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
santana Icon : (19 September 2016 - 08:08 AM) Thanks professor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (23 September 2016 - 03:55 PM) updated roster. FB howsare released, TE bowman added to roster
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 10:09 AM) BREAKING NEWS: Santana is a jinx during JETS games
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 11:40 AM) HUGE game today
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 11:40 AM) Santana PLEASE refrain from entering the BanterBox cause you are a JINX
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 01:48 PM) JETS wear the WHITE Jersey today
Resize Shouts Area

Page 1 of 1

Time Is Ticking For Mark Sanchez To Prove The Jets Made The Right Decision In Drafting Him

#1 User is offline   Jetsfan0099 Icon

  • Assistant Head Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Moderator
  • Posts: 17,137
  • Joined: 30-July 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Jersey

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 24 November 2011 - 12:58 PM

Quote

Eli Manning and Mark Sanchez have more in common than being New York quarterbacks whose teams gave up an awful lot to get them.

Sanchez may never be as good as Manning is right now. He may never win a Super Bowl or a Super Bowl MVP. But at a similar point in his career, Manning was playing as poorly as Sanchez is right now. Well, if misery loves company, that at least has to give the Jets some hope.

The Jets should be worried about Sanchez, who has regressed this season and forced Rex Ryan to attempt to wake up him by giving Mark Brunell a handful of first-team snaps this week. The little trick, right out of Coaching 101, worked last year in the week leading up to a big victory in Pittsburgh.

Still, in a meaningful spot, Brunell has as much chance of playing this season as Joe Namath.

Tom Coughlin never played mind games with Manning, but maybe he should have. In fact, even after Manning won the Super Bowl in his fourth season in 2007, the doubts about him returned, especially after he threw an NFL-high 25 interceptions last season.

Sanchez, midway through his third season, has started 41 regular-season games. Manning started his 41st regular-season game in the second game of his fourth season in 2007, the Super Bowl season.

The perception about Manning then and Sanchez now is almost identical: Could the Giants or the Jets ever win the Super Bowl with their quarterback?


Manning and the Giants struggled through the 2007 season, not clinching a wild-card spot until they won in Buffalo in the 15th game, and then the quarterback and the team got red hot in the playoffs and began a magical ride to the Vince Lombardi Trophy.

Sanchez and the Jets are struggling. There is not the slightest evidence they will win the Super Bowl this year based on how they are playing - or even make the playoffs despite a schedule over the next three weeks (Bills, Redskins, Chiefs) that makes it seem as if they hand-picked the games.

Sanchez’s ability to win a Super Bowl looks less likely each time he steps on the field. But the same could be said about Manning toward the end of his fourth season. In the game after Thanksgiving in the Super Bowl season, Manning had three interceptions returned for TDs in a 41-17 loss to the Vikings and three weeks later completed just 18 of 53 passes (34%) in a loss to the Redskins.

At comparative stages of their careers, neither Manning nor Sanchez was lighting it up.

Consider a few things by the time Manning and Sanchez had 41 regular-season starts:

-- Manning’s record was 20-21. Sanchez is 24-17. Manning, who took over as the Giants’ starter in the 10th game of his rookie year, lost his first six starts. Sanchez, who started from the first game of his rookie year, won his first three starts.

-- Manning had thrown for 8,506 yards with 59 TDs and 46 INTs and completed 54.7% of his passes. Sanchez has thrown for 8,068 yards with 43 TDs and 43 INTs and completed 55.2%. Manning had thrown for 16 more TDs, the INTs were about the same and Manning had thrown for an average of 11 yards more per game. Other than the TDs, the numbers are fairly similar.

-- Big difference: Manning was 0-2 in the playoffs. Sanchez is 4-2 and has taken the Jets to the AFC title game in his first two seasons. Sanchez has been a more effective quarterback in the playoffs than he has been in the regular season, completing more than 60% of his passes each year.



The Jets are 5-5 this season after Sanchez’s 41st start resulted in an embarrassing loss to the Broncos in a game in which he threw his third pick-six of the season. The Giants were 0-2 at the start of the 2007 season after Manning had started his 41st game.

I asked Manning yesterday at what point in a quarterback’s career does the game start to slow down rather than being at a frenzied pace.

“I think just when you start to understand what you are doing,” he said. “I don’t think there is a time frame. You know the offense inside and out and have a good understanding of the protections, have a plan of what you are doing and all of a sudden, if the plan doesn’t work, have a backup plan.”


When did that happen for him?

“I don’t have an exact time,” he said.

All this means is that there is hope for Sanchez with no guarantees.

What’s disturbing is he doesn’t seem to be learning from his mistakes, then beats himself up after games, says he has to get better, and doesn’t.

He has two years remaining after this one on his five-year, $50 million rookie deal. The Jets have a recent history of taking care of their core players before they play out their contracts, so presumably they will want to make a decision on Sanchez by the end of the 2012 season.

If not, he will be playing for a new contract during the 2013 season. But he must take his game to a new level for the Jets to justify making another huge financial commitment to him.

And if he’s not any better than he is right now in two years, the Jets may have a huge decision to make: Do they start over at quarterback?



Read more: http://www.nydailyne...2#ixzz1ee9tPhUJ
Posted Image
0

#2 User is offline   A1elbow Icon

  • LB Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1,892
  • Joined: 07-October 09

  • NFL Team:

Posted 24 November 2011 - 01:02 PM

Maybe I'll read this article, but I stopped pretty quick when it implied Manning was playing well. Dude throws and fumbles as many games away as he wins. Overrated, blah, blah, blah.
Posted Image


Exterminate all rational thought, that is the conclusion I have come to
0

#3 User is offline   S-Dubb Icon

  • 2008 Best Insider Award
  • Icon
  • View blog
  • Group: Assistant Admin
  • Posts: 31,145
  • Joined: 02-May 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:---
  • Interests:Hardcore Jets & Knicks fan - Gym rat - health and nutrition - family man and proud father.

    Twitter: @NYJETSFANCOM

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 24 November 2011 - 06:02 PM

Eli Manning WILL NEVER WIN ANOTHER SUPERBOWL. BOOK IT!! The 07 Giants defense played out of their minds that year. I'm sick of the Eli comparisons. He's not Eli, not even close. Eli was brought up different then Sanchez. Eli was given room to flourish within the passing game. The Jets hold back, afraid to unleash him to the wolves. I'm tired of this damn offense.

I wouldn't say time is ticking because he's got 2 years left of his deal but it's time to get an accomplished veteran in here who can legitimately compete for the gig.
0

#4 User is offline   ROBJETS Icon

  • LB Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1,535
  • Joined: 29-September 05
  • Gender:Male

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 24 November 2011 - 11:38 PM

I agree with you Dubb to a point. Honestly though I don't know why people are comparing Mark to anyone. Like him or not he hasn't proven a thing. People say he is 4-2 in playoffs but the way I see it if the Jets wouldn't have had the running game or the defense they did Mark wouldn't have even been in the playoffs let alone win them.Mark is not a scoring machine. If he throws three tds in a game that is like a career game for him. Normally a good game for him is 2.

Eli is no Peyton that's for sure but Eli does have some skill and that's a fact. he makes a lot of mistakes but he still has proven he can win games consistently with his arm. Mark hasn't proved a thing yet.At this point I cant see Mark even comparing to Eli. Eli has his issues but if had the running game and defense the Jets had the last two years I'm positive he would have at least been in the Superbowl and believe he would have won them.Eli can win games with his arm and he isn't a one half qb like Mark has proven to be. We all know Mark usually only gets going in the 2nd half.

Maybe its Schotty and maybe its Mark. We don't know what Mark will accomplish with more experience but so far to this point he is far below an average qb.

I'm not counting him out and as much as he pisses me off I still want to see him as the starter for at least one more year. If he doesn't become an above average qb after 4 seasons years of play though I personally will personally want him gone after 4 seasons and will absolutely be against him.

Like Mark or not this isn't a diaper league. Mark may be progressing but slowly inst an option> Jets paid for a franchise winning qb and even average wont be enough. We want a consistent winner not an average game manager at best.However anyone feels about Mark he was brought in and expected to be the future of the Jets and be an elite qb...not a below average,average or even a little above average. Elite is what he was brought in to be.

To sum it up If Mark is for real he needs to silence all his doubters next year so we can end this debate of who he really is. He needs to shut up his doubters by the end of next year or gtfo of New York. If he still plays sub-par or even average his whole 4th year and the Jets keep him a 5th year there will be a major uproar.
0

#5 User is offline   Jetsfan0099 Icon

  • Assistant Head Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Moderator
  • Posts: 17,137
  • Joined: 30-July 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Jersey

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 25 November 2011 - 12:29 AM

View PostROBJETS, on 24 November 2011 - 11:38 PM, said:

I agree with you Dubb to a point. Honestly though I don't know why people are comparing Mark to anyone. Like him or not he hasn't proven a thing. People say he is 4-2 in playoffs but the way I see it if the Jets wouldn't have had the running game or the defense they did Mark wouldn't have even been in the playoffs let alone win them.Mark is not a scoring machine. If he throws three tds in a game that is like a career game for him. Normally a good game for him is 2.

Eli is no Peyton that's for sure but Eli does have some skill and that's a fact. he makes a lot of mistakes but he still has proven he can win games consistently with his arm. Mark hasn't proved a thing yet.At this point I cant see Mark even comparing to Eli. Eli has his issues but if had the running game and defense the Jets had the last two years I'm positive he would have at least been in the Superbowl and believe he would have won them.Eli can win games with his arm and he isn't a one half qb like Mark has proven to be. We all know Mark usually only gets going in the 2nd half.

Maybe its Schotty and maybe its Mark. We don't know what Mark will accomplish with more experience but so far to this point he is far below an average qb.

I'm not counting him out and as much as he pisses me off I still want to see him as the starter for at least one more year. If he doesn't become an above average qb after 4 seasons years of play though I personally will personally want him gone after 4 seasons and will absolutely be against him.

Like Mark or not this isn't a diaper league. Mark may be progressing but slowly inst an option> Jets paid for a franchise winning qb and even average wont be enough. We want a consistent winner not an average game manager at best.However anyone feels about Mark he was brought in and expected to be the future of the Jets and be an elite qb...not a below average,average or even a little above average. Elite is what he was brought in to be.

To sum it up If Mark is for real he needs to silence all his doubters next year so we can end this debate of who he really is. He needs to shut up his doubters by the end of next year or gtfo of New York. If he still plays sub-par or even average his whole 4th year and the Jets keep him a 5th year there will be a major uproar.



The Giants had a better run game than the Jets last season and Eli threw 25 INTs.

Ahmad Bradshaw-1,235 yards 4.5 average 8 TDs
Brandon Jacobs-823 yards 5.6 average 9 TDs

LaDainian Tomlinson-914 yards 4.2 average 6 TDs (started off good and our offense was rolling, then struggled a lot of the season)
Shonn Greene-766 yards 4.1 average 2 TDs

We lack a feature back, teams don't even respect our run game anymore. This year our run game blows.

And its not just about the playoff record, Sanchez has picked up his game in the playoffs.

94 QB rating 1,155 yards 60% 9 TD 3 INTs 7.36 YPA

Its much better than how any other young QB has performed in the playoffs. The Jets defense had meltdowns in the last 2 AFC championships during halves.
Posted Image
0

#6 User is offline   ROBJETS Icon

  • LB Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1,535
  • Joined: 29-September 05
  • Gender:Male

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 27 November 2011 - 03:01 AM

Oh really. Well I think you better go look at the Game log

The Jets defense didn't have a meltdown against the Steelers. Steelers were held scoreless the 2nd half and mark only mangaed 3 points the first half and played his usual second half game while doing nothing in the first half

2011
New York Jets
Pittsburgh Steelers
19 24
1 2 3 4
NYJ 0 3 7 9
PIT 7 17 0 0

2010
New York Jets
Indianapolis Colts
17 30
1 2 3 4
NYJ 0 17 0 0
IND 0 13 7 10


Wow Mark was a one quarter qb this game. Maybe the defense wasnt the greatest but way to once again deflect the blame.marks meltdown in scoring was way worse than any meltdown the defense had. Yeah Marks great......
0

#7 User is offline   sexyrexy Icon

  • Special Teams
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 291
  • Joined: 24-January 10

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 27 November 2011 - 07:12 AM

View PostROBJETS, on 27 November 2011 - 03:01 AM, said:

Oh really. Well I think you better go look at the Game log

The Jets defense didn't have a meltdown against the Steelers. Steelers were held scoreless the 2nd half and mark only mangaed 3 points the first half and played his usual second half game while doing nothing in the first half

2011
New York Jets
Pittsburgh Steelers
19 24
1 2 3 4
NYJ 0 3 7 9
PIT 7 17 0 0

2010
New York Jets
Indianapolis Colts
17 30
1 2 3 4
NYJ 0 17 0 0
IND 0 13 7 10


Wow Mark was a one quarter qb this game. Maybe the defense wasnt the greatest but way to once again deflect the blame.marks meltdown in scoring was way worse than any meltdown the defense had. Yeah Marks great......


The Steelers ran all over the Jets in the first half, manhandled them in fact. Yea they recovered in the 2nd half and played a great half, but that first half was the definition of a meltdown.
"My first thought was I looked and I saw who was second and [thought], 'Hey, I finally beat Belichick at something. I got him. I knew it would take time, but I finally got him.'"
--Rex Ryan on being voted the most overrated NFL head coach
0

#8 User is offline   Jetsfan0099 Icon

  • Assistant Head Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Moderator
  • Posts: 17,137
  • Joined: 30-July 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Jersey

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 27 November 2011 - 12:12 PM

View PostROBJETS, on 27 November 2011 - 03:01 AM, said:

Oh really. Well I think you better go look at the Game log

The Jets defense didn't have a meltdown against the Steelers. Steelers were held scoreless the 2nd half and mark only mangaed 3 points the first half and played his usual second half game while doing nothing in the first half

2011
New York Jets
Pittsburgh Steelers
19 24
1 2 3 4
NYJ 0 3 7 9
PIT 7 17 0 0

2010
New York Jets
Indianapolis Colts
17 30
1 2 3 4
NYJ 0 17 0 0
IND 0 13 7 10


Wow Mark was a one quarter qb this game. Maybe the defense wasnt the greatest but way to once again deflect the blame.marks meltdown in scoring was way worse than any meltdown the defense had. Yeah Marks great......


The Steelers had the best defense in football and were at home, you can't expect a 2nd year QB to throw for 350+ yards and 4 TDs vs them. The Jets couldn't keep the Steelers offense off the field in the first half, they started the game off with a 10 minute drive. That isn't putting the offense in a good position against an elite defense.

And when the offense woke up, the defense couldn't make a stop to get them the ball back. If the defense came out there and remembered how to tackle we would have won that game. Ben Roethlisberger was outplayed by Sanchez that game, which brings up another point. If our defense didn't drop 3 INTs we probably win.
Posted Image
0

Page 1 of 1


Fast Reply

  

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users