NYJetsFan.com Forums: Jets Pathetic Offense. - NYJetsFan.com Forums

Jump to content

Toggle shoutbox NYJETSFAN BANTER

Jets vs Chiefs Sunday 4:30est
MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) good
MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) Best day of the week is the day after a Jets Win!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
santana Icon : (19 September 2016 - 08:08 AM) Thanks professor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:55 PM) updated roster. FB howsare released, TE bowman added to roster
Resize Shouts Area

Page 1 of 1

Jets Pathetic Offense. My opinion on where the problem is.

#1 User is offline   JSOTF Icon

  • LB Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1,332
  • Joined: 30-March 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:El Paso

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 19 December 2011 - 08:28 AM

I have been wanting to do this all year, finally said F it and did it. Hope it is a decent assesment.

Plays of the Eagles Game
Start off with a big hit on the KO. Then good play by D to string out run, gain of about 1 yard….2nd and 9, long pass play, no pressure, wide open receiver. Then D forces a punt.

0-0 Punt is FC at the 4. 1st down, obvious run, 9 defenders in the box, 2 yard gain. 2nd and 10, 7 in the box, Green up the middle for 14 yards, first down. 1st and 10 Wildcat run for 6 yards. Here is where the BS Begins. Jets formation barely takes up 1/2 of the field 2 WR, 2RB, Sanchez under center, 10 Defenders within 6 yards of the line of scrimich. But we get Green up the middle for 13 yards. 1st down, even commentators say Eagles struggle with the run. We go to shotgun formation, 3 WR, 1RB, 10 Eagles are within 5 yards of the LOS. Screen to LT, didn’t surprise anyone in the defense, 4 yard loss. Then 2nd and 14. Shotgun, empty,5 recievers, 5 yard pass play, fumbled on the hit, returned for a TD. Jets had 5 recievers being covered by 7 defenders.
My thoughts, the drive starts with 4 rushes for 35 yards and we go to the pass? Shitty is an idiot…Holmes cant fumble there, but bear with us because it gets a whole lot better.

7-0 Eagles. 1st and 10 @ the 30. Same BS 2 receiver set, 10 defenders within 5 yards of the LOS. Quick slant, incomplete, PI called, 1st down. 1st Down….3 receiver set, Green in the backfield, Sanchez under center. 11 defenders within 13 yard of the LOS. 3 Yard run, 2nd and 7, 2 receivers 2 RB, TE in motion, the formation is small, and I mean we are all inside the numbers by at least 10 yards… Again 10 defenders in the box, 1 safety at 14 yards downfield. PA Pass, Sanchez in an 8 or 9 step drop, doesn’t even set his feet and is sacked. 6 man rush no open receivers where Sanchez could have thought about completing the pass, sacked immediately. 3rd and 14, 4 receiver set, trips right, 1 RB and Sanchez in shotgun. 2 Down Linemen for Eagles, 2 LBers delay blitz, Screen to LT for 9 yards, Eagles keep everyone in front, make tackle. Punt muffed, we recover at the 14. 1st and 10.n…. 2 receiver set, I Formation, 11 Eagles are within 9 yards of LOS….Run play, nothing, 2nd and 10, Sanchez in shotgun, 3 WR, 2 RB, 7 yard pass play, Holmes lets it go through his hands, INT. 4 man rush, both RBs in each flat, No Recovers are open. Conner looks to be wide open to the left, but Sanchez is looking right all the way. No pressure on Sanchez. Obviously a huge turning point for the game.
My opinion. The Eagles are obviosly daring us to beat them with the pass, But due to the playcall, there is really nothing simple for Sanchez. Once again, Holmes has got to make that grab.

14-0 Eagles, 1st and 10 @ the 20. Wildcat…..8 defenders in 5 yard of LOS. Green for 2. 2nd and 8, trips right, Sanchez under center, 1 RB…Sanchez appears to audible something….5 yard run, 3rd and 3. Bunch WR set and 1 WR at the top, Sanchez in shotgun, 1 RB, 2 Eagles DE are only defenders on LOS, LBers and Safety delay blitz, Sanches sees it, looks like encroachment, called false start…Looks like encroachment, I think BS Call…..actual replay looks like Hunter moves his hand to grab #93 who is already in the neutral zone. 3rd and 8, 4 reviver set, Sanchez in Shotgun, 1 RB. Defense is standing around looks like 2 down linemen, Corners playing man, except for bottom receiver, 3 LBers Blitz, Safety Blitzes, 1 Receiver is Burress, on a skinny post, clearly being held, but Sancez doesn’t throw, takes the snap…..looks like there is nowhere else to throw the ball….we punt.
My opinion, we havent looked at the film from any Eagle game, or even any play from the previos series, Once again we cant figure out what to do offensively, to include picking up the blitz.


2nd QTR 21-0 Ball on the 9. 1 WR, 1 RB, Jumbo set, we don’t even take up 1/3 of the field. 9 Defenders within 10 yards of the LOC. LT up the middle for 8 yards. 2nd and 2, 1 WR, I formation, 8 defenders in the box, 10 defenders within 10 yards of the LOS. Pitch to LT, no one fooled, 0 gain. 3rd and 2, 3 WR, 1RB, 6 in the box, looks like man to man, busted play, Sanchez fumbles, Eagles recover. Looked like Sanchez thought it was a run, everyone else thought it was a pass.
My opinion. Whatever Shitty has practiced all week, is news to either Sanchez or the rest of the team. Blame is on Sanchez on this one.

28-0, 1st and 10, ball on the 21. 2 WR, I Formation. 8 defenders in the box, 6 yard run. 2nd and 4, pass to Keller, 12 yards. 1st and 10. Deep pass to Keller, for 41 yards…(Holy shit) Great catch. 1st and 10 ) Eagle 20. 2 WR, 2 RB, Quick pass for 5 yards, 2nd and 5, pass, Sanchez sacked, Eagles have 7 in the box, 2 safeties less than 10 yards off the LOS, and playing man. LT looks open out of the backfield, Sanchez doesn’t have much time, Sacked. Eagles blitz 6. 3rd and 11, 4 WR, 1 RB, Sanchez in Shotgun. Eagles have down lineman. Eagles look to back off, in a soft cover zone. 4 man rush, Sanchez throws to # 88, he is double covered, Greene is running a route, looks open for 3 yard gain. The way the formation is, you end up with Burress on the top, 1 on 1, then you have Holmes motion and there is kind of a bunch 3 receiver set. Ball is snapped, Sanchez doesn’t look at Burress at all, but looked like he actually got inside position and was open, not sure how far off the safety is, but isn’t in the picture. The bunch formation is Holmes, 88, and McKnight. They end up with Green running a 3 or 4 yard route, McKnight a 2 yard route, 88 is about a 5 or 6 yard route, and the 3 receivers end up in the same area, like within 10-15 yards of each other, all less than 6 yard downfield. Eagles linebackers sit in between and over the top, easy defensive coverage, and easy knockdown. We settle for a FG.
My opinion. If we cant move the ball down by 28, or call plays to help Sanchez, we arent gonna win shit.

28-3, Jets get it right back on fumbled KO. Ball on the Eagles 24. 3 WR, 2 RB, 8 in the box for the Eagles. Screen to Greene, no gain, nobody fooled. 2nd and 10. 3 WR, 1 RB, Sanchez in shotgun. Pass, Burress is clearly held, but not really looking for the ball. Kind of back shoulder, but clearly PI. 1st and 10. Run, 8 in the box, no gain….Nobody fooled. 2nd and 11, 1 WR, 1 RB. Couple of TEs. 4 DE, 3 LBers running around. Eagles end up with 8 in the box…..Sanchez overthrows Holmes, Flag for holding on the offense. 2nd and 21. 5 receivers, Sancez steps up and makes a perfect throw, TD Holmes. Best throw of the game for Sanchez.
My opinion, Sanchez makes a nice throw, stepping up in the pocket to gain time. Negative, it looks like he looked the whole way at Holmes, throw was in triple coverage, but a perfect throw. Shotty still doesnt have a friggen clue.

28-10, Defense forces a fumble. 1st and 10 @ the Eagle 27. Pass play, End Zone, poor throw by Sanchez, should have been picked. 2nd and 10 Conner up the middle for 7, quick play, 3rd and 3……same bunch 3 WR set, Kerley for a 1st down. 6 man rush, picked up nicely by OL, Good throw to an open WR. 1st and 10, False start….1st and 15. 8th penalty of the day, after the 2 minute warning? WTF? 1 WR, I Formation, 10 Eagles in the box, PA, Sanchez overthrows Keller. Design of play kind of sucks, Sanchez was running for his life. 3rd and 12, Sanchez to LT for 6 yards, Hunter got beat bad, Sanchez stepped up to make the throw. FG.
28-13. We get the ball, Good return by Cromoartie. 1st and 10 ball on the Jets 41. 3 yard run…..2nd and 7. Greene for 3 more yards, 3rd and 4. Sanchez to Kerley for the 1st down. At this point, I give up. I cant write about this anymore.
0

#2 User is offline   Jetsfan0099 Icon

  • Assistant Head Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Moderator
  • Posts: 17,137
  • Joined: 30-July 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Jersey

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 19 December 2011 - 10:18 AM

Hopefully the Dolphins hire Brian Schottenheimer as their HC or someone does.
Posted Image
0

#3 User is offline   jetfan4life12 Icon

  • LB Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1,147
  • Joined: 04-April 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Boca Raton, FL

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 19 December 2011 - 01:44 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 19 December 2011 - 10:18 AM, said:

Hopefully the Dolphins hire Brian Schottenheimer as their HC or someone does.

That screen pass on the first drive ticked me off because I am a big believer in the "run it down their throats until they show they can stop it" theory. Personally this one falls on the brain trust of the team. I have posted all year about this stuff but after yesterday, it needs to be said again. If you are unprepared to lose your starting QB because you were negligent in getting a backup who can do more than hand off (Brunell) and still needs time (McElroy), then you do not go into a season or even a game without any plan B in case one of the OL gets hurt (Nick) or just flat out sucks (Hunter). How in the world can they be that stupid?
I can half understand the contract given to Wayne but they played games with Woody and went all of August knowing Hunter was a big gamble and that Vladamir Duke ass was their single best and only backup lineman. A decent lawyer might be able to sue the FO for negligence when Sanchez gets hurt; that is kinda a joke but not 100%
For all the good moves made under Tannenbaum's management, this season backtracking counters them all. We have more needs than an NFL team should ever have. We all know them and even after changing W R's each year, we still don't have a medium term solution. There is enough young talent on the team that we should lower our expectations for one season beyond this one and sign and draft young guys who can and will be playing in green for many years to come.
0

#4 User is offline   JSOTF Icon

  • LB Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1,332
  • Joined: 30-March 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:El Paso

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 19 December 2011 - 05:54 PM

View Postjetfan4life12, on 19 December 2011 - 11:44 AM, said:

That screen pass on the first drive ticked me off because I am a big believer in the "run it down their throats until they show they can stop it" theory. Personally this one falls on the brain trust of the team. I have posted all year about this stuff but after yesterday, it needs to be said again. If you are unprepared to lose your starting QB because you were negligent in getting a backup who can do more than hand off (Brunell) and still needs time (McElroy), then you do not go into a season or even a game without any plan B in case one of the OL gets hurt (Nick) or just flat out sucks (Hunter). How in the world can they be that stupid?
I can half understand the contract given to Wayne but they played games with Woody and went all of August knowing Hunter was a big gamble and that Vladamir Duke ass was their single best and only backup lineman. A decent lawyer might be able to sue the FO for negligence when Sanchez gets hurt; that is kinda a joke but not 100%
For all the good moves made under Tannenbaum's management, this season backtracking counters them all. We have more needs than an NFL team should ever have. We all know them and even after changing W R's each year, we still don't have a medium term solution. There is enough young talent on the team that we should lower our expectations for one season beyond this one and sign and draft young guys who can and will be playing in green for many years to come.


The screen pass didnt work all night, and it was called 3 times that I saw. I never saw it agianst those blitzs that Eaggles were killing us with.
0

Page 1 of 1


Fast Reply

  

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users