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ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:36 PM) If someone calls me an idiot or moron or stupid over a football debate it doesn't bother me in the slightest. But when you make things personal like with racist things or family crap its a whole different level
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:36 PM) I felt my FLiHi remark was as "harmless" as you did calling another person a Moron and stupid because they didn't agree with your opinion
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:38 PM) my friends and I call each other morons and stupid an laugh at each other when we do something stupid like when we are drinking. It means nothing. and we laugh about it because its harmless. I'm trying to tell you this is a big difference between what you say to people and what others do.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:40 PM) Heck 115 rags me a lot and it doesnt bother me in the least. i rag him too. Same with GG2003 and SHJ. There is a difference between friendly banter and disagreements and crossing the line
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:44 PM) So your opinion of the line is right and my opinion is wrong? Is that what your saying? I don't know you. I'm not a drinking buddy of yours. Maybe you should learn some social tact.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) you felt it was harmless but you were the only one. Everyone else understood why I got was extremely offended about it the first time because you cross the line with what you say to people. Apparently you realized it enough to send me a long pm apologizing and having communication problems that get you in trouble sometimes. But now you cant understand the difference?
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:48 PM) I understand why. What I'm saying is if you take a jab people will jab back. Have you heard that saying " dont throw rocks when you live in a glass house?"
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:49 PM) The way you understand things if I call you an idiot about not wanting to trade for a high end qb its no different from me disrespecting your family. Thats what Im getting from you. So the way you see things everything is equally personal
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:50 PM) From complete strangers on an Internet forum? Yes. Man up
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:51 PM) Nod the debate was if he is a "high end" player. I thought he was well above average but not worth a 6th overall pick
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:55 PM) Not worth my time to even acknowledge anymore. Just going to ignore you like I do Mr. Jet. You have a lot of mental growing up to do.
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:57 PM) That's funny coming from a guy who went butt f*** crazy a couple hours ago
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:57 PM) Meanwhile you can't seem to respect that others opinions are different than yours
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:59 PM) You are emotionally weak. You went through some serious shit growing up and you can't adjust. You take it out on your keyboard.
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 09:00 PM) When someone challenges your immaturity you have a complete crazy freak out and act like a girl on her first period
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 09:00 PM) Hence the "go wipe your pussy and man up comment
Mr_Jet Icon : (15 April 2015 - 10:16 PM) Please Rob, leave my name out of your little bitchfest.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 11:46 PM) My bad. You have been respecting my request to you I had a while backI made to you by us not commenting to each other to keep peace between us. I was totally in the wrong for bringing your name up at all and into an argument with member that has issues. I got furious furious with a child. I should've just ignored him like I do the other immature kids on some game forums and sites I belong to. Wont happen again. My apologies for bringing your name into it Mr. Jet.
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 07:04 AM) Dude.... Get back on your meds.
blk_orion Icon : (Yesterday, 07:47 AM) WTF? Really???
blk_orion Icon : (Yesterday, 07:48 AM) Now back to our regular scheduled program......
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:08 AM) Lol that escalated quickly
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 10:24 AM) Rex is chirping again.
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 10:26 AM) He said he is going to try and kick the Shit out of the Jets
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 10:26 AM) http://sports.yahoo....l8xBHNlYwNzcg--
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 10:26 AM) I still like the guy. He's entertaining
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:25 PM) i miss rex. love his demeanor
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Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 09:56 PM) Rex wsa fun, but he was too much with the defense instead of the entire football team
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 09:57 PM) also he didn't always hold players accountable. I think Bowles will make the team more disciplined.
santana Icon : (Today, 02:50 AM) I don't have any faith in bowles
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 08:15 AM) “San Diego Chargers will ultimately make a deal with the Tennessee Titans for the number two overall pick. As part of that trade, the Chargers will send the number 17 overall pick and Philip Rivers, just as a start, for the number two pick.”
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 08:15 AM) Damn... Who called it? This guy.
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 08:16 AM) http://national.sunt...s-mariota-trade
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 10:13 AM) So we would now lose out on maroita and rivers
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 10:13 AM) Ain't that super
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 01:39 PM) do we make a trade for AP?
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Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 03:38 PM) So a top ten qb and the 17th pick for the 2nd overall as a start? Makes sense
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Posted 26 December 2011 - 03:23 PM

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Callahan for Schotty could jump-start Jets

Updated: Dec 25, 2011 09:58 PM
By BOB GLAUBER

With his team facing a worthy NFC foe on Christmas Eve and a playoff spot hanging in the balance, the quarterback produced a miserable performance in a blowout loss, leading to increasing questions about whether he truly is the long-term answer for the franchise.

He had been acquired in a blockbuster first-round trade three years earlier, but the wretched showing in the next-to-last game of the season created even more uncertainty about his future. There was a growing consensus from the fans -- and even many in the pro football personnel community -- that the quarterback might amount to nothing more than the latest NFL bust.

Mark Sanchez ?

No, Eli Manning .

Go back exactly five years to the day, and you'll see that Manning was coming off an atrocious showing in a 30-7 loss to the Saints in New Orleans. He was 9-for-25 for 74 yards, one touchdown and an interception. The Giants fell to 7-8, Tom Coughlin 's job was on the line, and only a win over the Redskins in the final week of the season would put them in the playoffs and get Coughlin into the 2007 season as head coach.

The Giants got that win, but not before Coughlin made a bold move that ultimately benefited his franchise quarterback.

With major questions swirling about how the Giants were handling the play-calling for Manning, Coughlin replaced offensive coordinator John Hufnagel with quarterbacks coach Kevin Gilbride , who previously had called plays for Coughlin in Jacksonville.

A year later, Coughlin, Manning and the Giants won the Super Bowl .

Now it's time for Rex Ryan to make a similarly bold move and replace Brian Schottenheimer with offensive line coach Bill Callahan .

With Sanchez struggling to take the next step in his development and with Schottenheimer's inconsistent play-calling adding to the problem, Ryan needs to take decisive action and turn to Callahan, a former offensive play-caller who led the 2002 Raiders to Super Bowl XXXVII with journeyman quarterback Rich Gannon .

Ryan might not consider the timing right to make that change for this week's game against the Dolphins because of his fierce loyalty to Schottenheimer, who might wind up as a candidate for Miami's head-coaching position. But the Jets' third-year head coach needs to find a better answer for dealing with Sanchez, who is coming off one of the most ineffective performances in his three years with the Jets.

Sanchez threw two interceptions, was sacked for a safety, fumbled once and had two other fumbles reversed by replay review in a 29-14 loss to the Giants on Saturday. The Jets' chances of making the playoffs now are perilously thin.

But it's not just the fact that the Jets lost; it's the way they lost as it related to Schottenheimer's play-calling and a continuing pattern of failing to get the most out of his young quarterback.

Like Hufnagel with Manning five years ago, Schottenheimer isn't putting Sanchez in the best position to succeed. The fact that he had Sanchez drop back a whopping 64 times -- 64! -- against a Giants team that features the best pass-rushing defensive line in the game was stunning. Especially when the Jets' running game was performing so well, especially on inside runs that attacked the Giants' defensive tackles.

Sanchez wound up being sacked five times, was hit hard on several other occasions after releasing the ball and couldn't sustain the Jets' offense late in the game.

He may be the NFL 's most prolific comeback quarterback of the last two seasons with 10 wins in the final quarter or overtime, but not getting his 11th against the Giants -- or leading the Jets to a victory of any kind -- was a huge miss.

Questions now are swirling about whether Sanchez really is the future of the franchise or whether the team will consider other alternatives. Some have suggested trading for Peyton Manning if he's available, but the Jets have been down this road before with Brett Favre . Not only that, but there's no guarantee that Manning, who has had three neck surgeries in the last two seasons, can continue much longer.

You want to draft another quarterback and spend another three years waiting for him to develop? With very few viable alternatives on the free-agent or trade markets, there isn't much out there.

The feeling here is that Ryan needs to go with Callahan and install the simpler, higher-percentage passing game of his West Coast offense before scrapping the Sanchez era altogether.

It may be that Sanchez isn't the answer. But it also may be that he's not in a system that allows him to flourish the way Gannon, a fourth-round pick in 1987, once did for Callahan.

It's easier -- and better -- to change a coach to see if he can fix the quarterback. Whether it's this week or next, when the Jets might be out of the playoff picture, it's time for Ryan to make his move.

After another Christmas Eve nightmare showing, it's time to see if he can do for Sanchez what Coughlin did for Manning.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 06:53 PM

replacing shitty yeah, but with callahan... hell to the no! the west coast offense is the chad pennington dink and donk again. furthermore callahan has the tendency of not making adjustments and being very predictable. see superbowl when oak. played tampa. john gruden was all in his pockets. safety john lynch was miked during the game and calling out oak's play before they even ran them. oakland got routed and criticized for predictability after the game.

Futhermore, you would have to change your wr's. for short routed yac ability, instead of what i think they should do which is acquire wr's. with short and deep threat ability. this would back defenses off to aid the run game and definitely the o-line. Norv turner for o.c. would be a better alternative. wr.justin blackmon drafted out of okst. to replace plax is another idea. whether he falls to them is a whole diff. thing. the team needs youth and playmaking speed on off. and def. along with getting rid of shotty.
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Posted 28 December 2011 - 03:00 PM

View Postjet-man, on 26 December 2011 - 06:53 PM, said:

replacing shitty yeah, but with callahan... hell to the no! the west coast offense is the chad pennington dink and donk again. furthermore callahan has the tendency of not making adjustments and being very predictable. see superbowl when oak. played tampa. john gruden was all in his pockets. safety john lynch was miked during the game and calling out oak's play before they even ran them. oakland got routed and criticized for predictability after the game.

Futhermore, you would have to change your wr's. for short routed yac ability, instead of what i think they should do which is acquire wr's. with short and deep threat ability. this would back defenses off to aid the run game and definitely the o-line. Norv turner for o.c. would be a better alternative. wr.justin blackmon drafted out of okst. to replace plax is another idea. whether he falls to them is a whole diff. thing. the team needs youth and playmaking speed on off. and def. along with getting rid of shotty.


It's probably will be Callahan. Sanchez played in the west coast type of system in USC under Pete Carrol.
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Posted 28 December 2011 - 05:25 PM

View Postjet-man, on 26 December 2011 - 03:53 PM, said:

replacing shitty yeah, but with callahan... hell to the no! the west coast offense is the chad pennington dink and donk again. furthermore callahan has the tendency of not making adjustments and being very predictable. see superbowl when oak. played tampa. john gruden was all in his pockets. safety john lynch was miked during the game and calling out oak's play before they even ran them. oakland got routed and criticized for predictability after the game.

Futhermore, you would have to change your wr's. for short routed yac ability, instead of what i think they should do which is acquire wr's. with short and deep threat ability. this would back defenses off to aid the run game and definitely the o-line. Norv turner for o.c. would be a better alternative. wr.justin blackmon drafted out of okst. to replace plax is another idea. whether he falls to them is a whole diff. thing. the team needs youth and playmaking speed on off. and def. along with getting rid of shotty.


I pointed this out in another thread where i said i'd love to have gilbride as an OC. anyway callahan called plays that made journeyman rich gannon a 5000 yard passer. remember that?
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View PostJetsfan115, on 28 December 2011 - 04:25 PM, said:

I pointed this out in another thread where i said i'd love to have gilbride as an OC. anyway callahan called plays that made journeyman rich gannon a 5000 yard passer. remember that?


Yeah, but he had Brown and Rice to throw to (along with Jerry Porter). Brown and Rice were on the downside of their careers, but both were the stereotypical "savvy" vet. Porter was where he should have been for his career, a dangerous third receiver. And they had good, although not spectacular backs, in Garner and Wheatley.

Funny, looking at Gannon's best season, Garner was the second leading receiver in yards and receptions (91 for 941) and only had one less reception than Rice.

Anyway, I think that team had a lot more mid-level talent than people realise and some of the coaching respect Callahan and Gruden got is unfair because people tend to see that team as beign a bunch of old bums.
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