NYJetsFan.com Forums: Callahan For Schotty Could Jump Start Jets? - NYJetsFan.com Forums

Jump to content

Toggle shoutbox NYJETSFAN BANTER

Geno injured, IK cut, Amish Rifle starting - http://nyjetsfan.com...showtopic=38773
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2015 - 02:57 PM) http://www.nj.com/je...ey_backups.html
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2015 - 02:57 PM) http://nypost.com/20...appearing-role/
Smedsthejet Icon : (19 August 2015 - 03:03 PM) Any news on how Shaq Evans is performing?
Jetsfan115 Icon : (20 August 2015 - 11:12 AM) http://nypost.com/20...ricks-of-trade/
Jetsfan115 Icon : (20 August 2015 - 11:12 AM) sounds like the jets think kerly is too small for what they want
Jetsfan115 Icon : (20 August 2015 - 11:13 AM) if enunwa is our 3rd WR that gives us 3 starting Wrs over 6-2. compared to the 5'7 kerly.
RetireChrebet Icon : (20 August 2015 - 11:32 PM) Hopefully enunwa pans out. The jets need to start catching talent in he late rounds like most successful teams do.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (21 August 2015 - 03:05 PM) MT did for us
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 August 2015 - 06:49 PM) Well it's only pre season but I don't enjoy watching them walk right over our defense
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 August 2015 - 07:20 PM) Looks like nothing has changed from the last 5 years. Our offense is still trash
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 August 2015 - 07:50 PM) Damn petty has a rocket arm!
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 August 2015 - 07:54 PM) Kellen Davis sucks
Mr_Jet Icon : (22 August 2015 - 12:40 PM) Bryce Petty looked really good last night.
azjetfan Icon : (22 August 2015 - 04:56 PM) He took some big steps from week one. There is no question. If he continues to progress like that we may be chanting for him sooner than expected. I love his arm.
azjetfan Icon : (22 August 2015 - 06:56 PM) Sanchez looks like Drew Bree's today
MikeGangGree... Icon : (25 August 2015 - 01:24 PM) WOOOOOOOO Ric Flair!
Jetsman05 Icon : (26 August 2015 - 01:45 PM) The guy in the fantasy league who said we're scared of Santana... is clearly santana.
Jetsman05 Icon : (26 August 2015 - 01:45 PM) just sayin
Jetsman05 Icon : (26 August 2015 - 01:45 PM) im only half serious
santana Icon : (27 August 2015 - 09:30 AM) Also i suspect that santana
santana Icon : (27 August 2015 - 09:30 AM) might be santana
santana Icon : (27 August 2015 - 01:35 PM) Tough draw for Liverpool
Jetsman05 Icon : (27 August 2015 - 02:21 PM) Suarez second best in Europe... pretty good
SoReALSoJetS Icon : (29 August 2015 - 06:11 PM) anybody know a stream for it?
MikeGangGree... Icon : (30 August 2015 - 06:49 AM) WOOOOO
Smedsthejet Icon : (30 August 2015 - 11:10 AM) Jets just announced first 12 players to be released:
Smedsthejet Icon : (30 August 2015 - 11:10 AM) T. J. Graham, Saalim Hakim, Austin Hill, DeVier Posey, Jonathon Rumph (WRs), Matt LaCosse (TE), James Brewer, Dalton Freeman (OL), Bryan Johnson (LB), Javier Arenas, Curtis Brown, Keith Lewis (DBs)
Smedsthejet Icon : (30 August 2015 - 11:11 AM) A little surprised that Posey is gone in this first batch of moves, but then we did have a glut of WRs
ganggreen2003 Icon : (30 August 2015 - 07:50 PM) Any word on Leonard Williams injury?
azjetfan Icon : (30 August 2015 - 11:49 PM) He will be ready week 1. Just a sprain
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:33 AM) so we whooped the giants ass pretty badly
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:38 AM) bills cut fred jackson
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 12:29 PM) We got lucky with Williams
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 12:30 PM) Hes looked like a beast as well, so we need him healthy. Hes gonna be a future all pro
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 12:31 PM) Our offense can be competent this season
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 12:33 PM) Zac Stacy was a good add
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:46 PM) I'm surprised Freeman was cut, I thought he was a solid backup center. Guess they like Wesley Johnson better
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:58 PM) our offense is passable. we should put up 14-17 a game average
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:58 PM) should be enough for our Defense. our d-line is nasty with wilk, rich, snacks, and now williams
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:59 PM) out MLBs get picked on in coverage though. davis had a rough game
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:59 PM) our Cbs are way too good. cro revis and skrine. plus mcdougle looked solid. when milliner comes back, him being a dime back could be huge too
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 02:24 PM) 17 points a game is "passable"? If we average 17 a game this season, we won't win more than 5 ball games.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 02:24 PM) Needs to be 20+
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 05:33 PM) Our offense should be better than its been in years
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 05:34 PM) which wouldn't take much
Resize Shouts Area

Page 1 of 1

Callahan For Schotty Could Jump Start Jets?

#1 User is offline   S-Dubb Icon

  • 2008 Best Insider Award
  • Icon
  • View blog
  • Group: Assistant Admin
  • Posts: 31,145
  • Joined: 02-May 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:---
  • Interests:Hardcore Jets & Knicks fan - Gym rat - health and nutrition - family man and proud father.

    Twitter: @NYJETSFANCOM

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 26 December 2011 - 03:23 PM

Quote

Callahan for Schotty could jump-start Jets

Updated: Dec 25, 2011 09:58 PM
By BOB GLAUBER

With his team facing a worthy NFC foe on Christmas Eve and a playoff spot hanging in the balance, the quarterback produced a miserable performance in a blowout loss, leading to increasing questions about whether he truly is the long-term answer for the franchise.

He had been acquired in a blockbuster first-round trade three years earlier, but the wretched showing in the next-to-last game of the season created even more uncertainty about his future. There was a growing consensus from the fans -- and even many in the pro football personnel community -- that the quarterback might amount to nothing more than the latest NFL bust.

Mark Sanchez ?

No, Eli Manning .

Go back exactly five years to the day, and you'll see that Manning was coming off an atrocious showing in a 30-7 loss to the Saints in New Orleans. He was 9-for-25 for 74 yards, one touchdown and an interception. The Giants fell to 7-8, Tom Coughlin 's job was on the line, and only a win over the Redskins in the final week of the season would put them in the playoffs and get Coughlin into the 2007 season as head coach.

The Giants got that win, but not before Coughlin made a bold move that ultimately benefited his franchise quarterback.

With major questions swirling about how the Giants were handling the play-calling for Manning, Coughlin replaced offensive coordinator John Hufnagel with quarterbacks coach Kevin Gilbride , who previously had called plays for Coughlin in Jacksonville.

A year later, Coughlin, Manning and the Giants won the Super Bowl .

Now it's time for Rex Ryan to make a similarly bold move and replace Brian Schottenheimer with offensive line coach Bill Callahan .

With Sanchez struggling to take the next step in his development and with Schottenheimer's inconsistent play-calling adding to the problem, Ryan needs to take decisive action and turn to Callahan, a former offensive play-caller who led the 2002 Raiders to Super Bowl XXXVII with journeyman quarterback Rich Gannon .

Ryan might not consider the timing right to make that change for this week's game against the Dolphins because of his fierce loyalty to Schottenheimer, who might wind up as a candidate for Miami's head-coaching position. But the Jets' third-year head coach needs to find a better answer for dealing with Sanchez, who is coming off one of the most ineffective performances in his three years with the Jets.

Sanchez threw two interceptions, was sacked for a safety, fumbled once and had two other fumbles reversed by replay review in a 29-14 loss to the Giants on Saturday. The Jets' chances of making the playoffs now are perilously thin.

But it's not just the fact that the Jets lost; it's the way they lost as it related to Schottenheimer's play-calling and a continuing pattern of failing to get the most out of his young quarterback.

Like Hufnagel with Manning five years ago, Schottenheimer isn't putting Sanchez in the best position to succeed. The fact that he had Sanchez drop back a whopping 64 times -- 64! -- against a Giants team that features the best pass-rushing defensive line in the game was stunning. Especially when the Jets' running game was performing so well, especially on inside runs that attacked the Giants' defensive tackles.

Sanchez wound up being sacked five times, was hit hard on several other occasions after releasing the ball and couldn't sustain the Jets' offense late in the game.

He may be the NFL 's most prolific comeback quarterback of the last two seasons with 10 wins in the final quarter or overtime, but not getting his 11th against the Giants -- or leading the Jets to a victory of any kind -- was a huge miss.

Questions now are swirling about whether Sanchez really is the future of the franchise or whether the team will consider other alternatives. Some have suggested trading for Peyton Manning if he's available, but the Jets have been down this road before with Brett Favre . Not only that, but there's no guarantee that Manning, who has had three neck surgeries in the last two seasons, can continue much longer.

You want to draft another quarterback and spend another three years waiting for him to develop? With very few viable alternatives on the free-agent or trade markets, there isn't much out there.

The feeling here is that Ryan needs to go with Callahan and install the simpler, higher-percentage passing game of his West Coast offense before scrapping the Sanchez era altogether.

It may be that Sanchez isn't the answer. But it also may be that he's not in a system that allows him to flourish the way Gannon, a fourth-round pick in 1987, once did for Callahan.

It's easier -- and better -- to change a coach to see if he can fix the quarterback. Whether it's this week or next, when the Jets might be out of the playoff picture, it's time for Ryan to make his move.

After another Christmas Eve nightmare showing, it's time to see if he can do for Sanchez what Coughlin did for Manning.

0

#2 User is offline   jet-man Icon

  • Drafted Rookie
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 196
  • Joined: 04-September 05

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 26 December 2011 - 06:53 PM

replacing shitty yeah, but with callahan... hell to the no! the west coast offense is the chad pennington dink and donk again. furthermore callahan has the tendency of not making adjustments and being very predictable. see superbowl when oak. played tampa. john gruden was all in his pockets. safety john lynch was miked during the game and calling out oak's play before they even ran them. oakland got routed and criticized for predictability after the game.

Futhermore, you would have to change your wr's. for short routed yac ability, instead of what i think they should do which is acquire wr's. with short and deep threat ability. this would back defenses off to aid the run game and definitely the o-line. Norv turner for o.c. would be a better alternative. wr.justin blackmon drafted out of okst. to replace plax is another idea. whether he falls to them is a whole diff. thing. the team needs youth and playmaking speed on off. and def. along with getting rid of shotty.
0

#3 User is offline   S-Dubb Icon

  • 2008 Best Insider Award
  • Icon
  • View blog
  • Group: Assistant Admin
  • Posts: 31,145
  • Joined: 02-May 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:---
  • Interests:Hardcore Jets & Knicks fan - Gym rat - health and nutrition - family man and proud father.

    Twitter: @NYJETSFANCOM

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 28 December 2011 - 03:00 PM

View Postjet-man, on 26 December 2011 - 06:53 PM, said:

replacing shitty yeah, but with callahan... hell to the no! the west coast offense is the chad pennington dink and donk again. furthermore callahan has the tendency of not making adjustments and being very predictable. see superbowl when oak. played tampa. john gruden was all in his pockets. safety john lynch was miked during the game and calling out oak's play before they even ran them. oakland got routed and criticized for predictability after the game.

Futhermore, you would have to change your wr's. for short routed yac ability, instead of what i think they should do which is acquire wr's. with short and deep threat ability. this would back defenses off to aid the run game and definitely the o-line. Norv turner for o.c. would be a better alternative. wr.justin blackmon drafted out of okst. to replace plax is another idea. whether he falls to them is a whole diff. thing. the team needs youth and playmaking speed on off. and def. along with getting rid of shotty.


It's probably will be Callahan. Sanchez played in the west coast type of system in USC under Pete Carrol.
0

#4 User is offline   Jetsfan115 Icon

  • Assistant Head Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Assistant Admin
  • Posts: 23,770
  • Joined: 30-March 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cali

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 28 December 2011 - 05:25 PM

View Postjet-man, on 26 December 2011 - 03:53 PM, said:

replacing shitty yeah, but with callahan... hell to the no! the west coast offense is the chad pennington dink and donk again. furthermore callahan has the tendency of not making adjustments and being very predictable. see superbowl when oak. played tampa. john gruden was all in his pockets. safety john lynch was miked during the game and calling out oak's play before they even ran them. oakland got routed and criticized for predictability after the game.

Futhermore, you would have to change your wr's. for short routed yac ability, instead of what i think they should do which is acquire wr's. with short and deep threat ability. this would back defenses off to aid the run game and definitely the o-line. Norv turner for o.c. would be a better alternative. wr.justin blackmon drafted out of okst. to replace plax is another idea. whether he falls to them is a whole diff. thing. the team needs youth and playmaking speed on off. and def. along with getting rid of shotty.


I pointed this out in another thread where i said i'd love to have gilbride as an OC. anyway callahan called plays that made journeyman rich gannon a 5000 yard passer. remember that?
0

#5 User is offline   A1elbow Icon

  • LB Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1,890
  • Joined: 07-October 09

  • NFL Team:

Posted 29 December 2011 - 02:28 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 28 December 2011 - 04:25 PM, said:

I pointed this out in another thread where i said i'd love to have gilbride as an OC. anyway callahan called plays that made journeyman rich gannon a 5000 yard passer. remember that?


Yeah, but he had Brown and Rice to throw to (along with Jerry Porter). Brown and Rice were on the downside of their careers, but both were the stereotypical "savvy" vet. Porter was where he should have been for his career, a dangerous third receiver. And they had good, although not spectacular backs, in Garner and Wheatley.

Funny, looking at Gannon's best season, Garner was the second leading receiver in yards and receptions (91 for 941) and only had one less reception than Rice.

Anyway, I think that team had a lot more mid-level talent than people realise and some of the coaching respect Callahan and Gruden got is unfair because people tend to see that team as beign a bunch of old bums.
Posted Image


Exterminate all rational thought, that is the conclusion I have come to
0

Page 1 of 1


Fast Reply

  

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users