NYJetsFan.com Forums: Callahan For Schotty Could Jump Start Jets? - NYJetsFan.com Forums

Jump to content

Toggle shoutbox NYJETSFAN BANTER

SECRETS AND LIES NOTHING BUT SECRETS AND LIES!!
santana Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:06 AM) "NFL released its first 2015 League Year cap report to teams. Teams w/most room: 1) Jaguars $64.058M; 2) Jets $52.901; 3) Raiders $52.598M."
santana Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:06 AM) #2 baby
santana Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:07 AM) WE DID IT!
santana Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:07 AM) thnx idzik
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:09 AM) RE-HIRE IDZIK
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:10 AM) Well in all fairness, when I think about the Jets I do think about number two
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:30 AM) FIRE MACCAGNAN
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:30 AM) The Jaguars hired John Idzik for his expertise in contract negotiating
Chaos Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:36 AM) ppl are going to get paid this offseason.
Chaos Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:36 AM) so many teams have space
Chaos Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:39 AM) eagles have 48M in cap space. Chip is going to go HAM this offseason.
Chaos Icon : (04 March 2015 - 12:35 PM) @RapSheet: The #Bills have traded for Matt Cassel, the team announced.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (04 March 2015 - 12:43 PM) rex is gearing up his team
Jetsfan115 Icon : (04 March 2015 - 12:43 PM) a QB that won't turn it over. 2 stud Rbs for ground and pound and will now start building his defense
azjetfan Icon : (04 March 2015 - 01:49 PM) McCoys agent said the trade is not final and he hinted that he may not be willing to play there.
Chaos Icon : (04 March 2015 - 04:41 PM) @KristianRDyer: Source: If Marcus Mariota is at No. 6, Eagles will make trade with #Jets http://www.metro.us/...-mCQODxZ1xjBVA/ … via @metronewyork #NYJets
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (04 March 2015 - 05:18 PM) Jets bringing in Kendall Langford and CHris Canty for visits
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (04 March 2015 - 05:20 PM) Cassel blows
Jetsfan115 Icon : (04 March 2015 - 08:07 PM) I wouldn't mind trading down personally
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 09:48 AM) Vince Wilfork will be a FA. Pats will not pick up his $8 million option. Looks like they are gearing up to keep Revis.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:35 AM) Bears shopping Marshall for a mid round pick
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 12:31 PM) What does his contract look like? Offer a 7th conditional 6th if we do something if the $$s are right.
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 12:37 PM) He is almost due 9.6 million this year and has 2 years left. He is defiantly better than Harvin although a little older @ 30
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 12:55 PM) I'd rather sign Maclin or Cobb and then draft a WR early
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 02:55 PM) I am not real big on Cobb. I think he is a poor mans Harvin. Living in WI I watch most Packer games. He does have talent and he is a good receiver but without Rogers he will not be very good.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:27 PM) looks like David Harris will go to the Bills, and I'm fine with that. Hes getting older and declining.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:56 PM) i guess davis takes the MLB spot then pace on one side. who is on the other? barnes
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:56 PM) babin maybe?
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) coples moves to DE, richardson to DT, snacks at DT and wilk at DE
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 03:59 PM) its too early to tell. Our roster is not anywhere near where it will be come opening day.
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 04:00 PM) Couples has had the most success when he was in a 4 man front though.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:19 PM) no
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 05:45 PM) CONSPIRACIES AND DREAMS NOTHING BUT CONSPIRACIES AND DREAMS
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 10:30 AM) Read that the Dolphins think they'll sign Suh
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 10:30 AM) But the Raiders are expected to meet with him and have a ton of cap space
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 10:30 AM) The Raiders will probably pay huge money to him
518-JeTS-FaN Icon : (Today, 11:23 AM) marshall traded to the jets pending a physical
2JBallar01 Icon : (Today, 11:36 AM) Looks like a
2JBallar01 Icon : (Today, 11:36 AM) 5th rounder going to Bears
2JBallar01 Icon : (Today, 11:37 AM) Probably means no Cooper or White now. Hopefully that trade with Eagles happens and we trade down
santana Icon : (Today, 11:51 AM) Cooper is pooper
santana Icon : (Today, 11:51 AM) need cutler
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 11:51 AM) Raiders are taking cooper
santana Icon : (Today, 11:51 AM) 2010 me is so excited
santana Icon : (Today, 11:53 AM) http://i.imgur.com/ZD7ljLV.gif
Resize Shouts Area

Page 1 of 1

Callahan For Schotty Could Jump Start Jets?

#1 User is offline   S-Dubb Icon

  • 2008 Best Insider Award
  • Icon
  • View blog
  • Group: Assistant Admin
  • Posts: 31,145
  • Joined: 02-May 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:---
  • Interests:Hardcore Jets & Knicks fan - Gym rat - health and nutrition - family man and proud father.

    Twitter: @NYJETSFANCOM

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 26 December 2011 - 03:23 PM

Quote

Callahan for Schotty could jump-start Jets

Updated: Dec 25, 2011 09:58 PM
By BOB GLAUBER

With his team facing a worthy NFC foe on Christmas Eve and a playoff spot hanging in the balance, the quarterback produced a miserable performance in a blowout loss, leading to increasing questions about whether he truly is the long-term answer for the franchise.

He had been acquired in a blockbuster first-round trade three years earlier, but the wretched showing in the next-to-last game of the season created even more uncertainty about his future. There was a growing consensus from the fans -- and even many in the pro football personnel community -- that the quarterback might amount to nothing more than the latest NFL bust.

Mark Sanchez ?

No, Eli Manning .

Go back exactly five years to the day, and you'll see that Manning was coming off an atrocious showing in a 30-7 loss to the Saints in New Orleans. He was 9-for-25 for 74 yards, one touchdown and an interception. The Giants fell to 7-8, Tom Coughlin 's job was on the line, and only a win over the Redskins in the final week of the season would put them in the playoffs and get Coughlin into the 2007 season as head coach.

The Giants got that win, but not before Coughlin made a bold move that ultimately benefited his franchise quarterback.

With major questions swirling about how the Giants were handling the play-calling for Manning, Coughlin replaced offensive coordinator John Hufnagel with quarterbacks coach Kevin Gilbride , who previously had called plays for Coughlin in Jacksonville.

A year later, Coughlin, Manning and the Giants won the Super Bowl .

Now it's time for Rex Ryan to make a similarly bold move and replace Brian Schottenheimer with offensive line coach Bill Callahan .

With Sanchez struggling to take the next step in his development and with Schottenheimer's inconsistent play-calling adding to the problem, Ryan needs to take decisive action and turn to Callahan, a former offensive play-caller who led the 2002 Raiders to Super Bowl XXXVII with journeyman quarterback Rich Gannon .

Ryan might not consider the timing right to make that change for this week's game against the Dolphins because of his fierce loyalty to Schottenheimer, who might wind up as a candidate for Miami's head-coaching position. But the Jets' third-year head coach needs to find a better answer for dealing with Sanchez, who is coming off one of the most ineffective performances in his three years with the Jets.

Sanchez threw two interceptions, was sacked for a safety, fumbled once and had two other fumbles reversed by replay review in a 29-14 loss to the Giants on Saturday. The Jets' chances of making the playoffs now are perilously thin.

But it's not just the fact that the Jets lost; it's the way they lost as it related to Schottenheimer's play-calling and a continuing pattern of failing to get the most out of his young quarterback.

Like Hufnagel with Manning five years ago, Schottenheimer isn't putting Sanchez in the best position to succeed. The fact that he had Sanchez drop back a whopping 64 times -- 64! -- against a Giants team that features the best pass-rushing defensive line in the game was stunning. Especially when the Jets' running game was performing so well, especially on inside runs that attacked the Giants' defensive tackles.

Sanchez wound up being sacked five times, was hit hard on several other occasions after releasing the ball and couldn't sustain the Jets' offense late in the game.

He may be the NFL 's most prolific comeback quarterback of the last two seasons with 10 wins in the final quarter or overtime, but not getting his 11th against the Giants -- or leading the Jets to a victory of any kind -- was a huge miss.

Questions now are swirling about whether Sanchez really is the future of the franchise or whether the team will consider other alternatives. Some have suggested trading for Peyton Manning if he's available, but the Jets have been down this road before with Brett Favre . Not only that, but there's no guarantee that Manning, who has had three neck surgeries in the last two seasons, can continue much longer.

You want to draft another quarterback and spend another three years waiting for him to develop? With very few viable alternatives on the free-agent or trade markets, there isn't much out there.

The feeling here is that Ryan needs to go with Callahan and install the simpler, higher-percentage passing game of his West Coast offense before scrapping the Sanchez era altogether.

It may be that Sanchez isn't the answer. But it also may be that he's not in a system that allows him to flourish the way Gannon, a fourth-round pick in 1987, once did for Callahan.

It's easier -- and better -- to change a coach to see if he can fix the quarterback. Whether it's this week or next, when the Jets might be out of the playoff picture, it's time for Ryan to make his move.

After another Christmas Eve nightmare showing, it's time to see if he can do for Sanchez what Coughlin did for Manning.

0

#2 User is offline   jet-man Icon

  • Drafted Rookie
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 196
  • Joined: 04-September 05

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 26 December 2011 - 06:53 PM

replacing shitty yeah, but with callahan... hell to the no! the west coast offense is the chad pennington dink and donk again. furthermore callahan has the tendency of not making adjustments and being very predictable. see superbowl when oak. played tampa. john gruden was all in his pockets. safety john lynch was miked during the game and calling out oak's play before they even ran them. oakland got routed and criticized for predictability after the game.

Futhermore, you would have to change your wr's. for short routed yac ability, instead of what i think they should do which is acquire wr's. with short and deep threat ability. this would back defenses off to aid the run game and definitely the o-line. Norv turner for o.c. would be a better alternative. wr.justin blackmon drafted out of okst. to replace plax is another idea. whether he falls to them is a whole diff. thing. the team needs youth and playmaking speed on off. and def. along with getting rid of shotty.
0

#3 User is offline   S-Dubb Icon

  • 2008 Best Insider Award
  • Icon
  • View blog
  • Group: Assistant Admin
  • Posts: 31,145
  • Joined: 02-May 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:---
  • Interests:Hardcore Jets & Knicks fan - Gym rat - health and nutrition - family man and proud father.

    Twitter: @NYJETSFANCOM

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 28 December 2011 - 03:00 PM

View Postjet-man, on 26 December 2011 - 06:53 PM, said:

replacing shitty yeah, but with callahan... hell to the no! the west coast offense is the chad pennington dink and donk again. furthermore callahan has the tendency of not making adjustments and being very predictable. see superbowl when oak. played tampa. john gruden was all in his pockets. safety john lynch was miked during the game and calling out oak's play before they even ran them. oakland got routed and criticized for predictability after the game.

Futhermore, you would have to change your wr's. for short routed yac ability, instead of what i think they should do which is acquire wr's. with short and deep threat ability. this would back defenses off to aid the run game and definitely the o-line. Norv turner for o.c. would be a better alternative. wr.justin blackmon drafted out of okst. to replace plax is another idea. whether he falls to them is a whole diff. thing. the team needs youth and playmaking speed on off. and def. along with getting rid of shotty.


It's probably will be Callahan. Sanchez played in the west coast type of system in USC under Pete Carrol.
0

#4 User is offline   Jetsfan115 Icon

  • Assistant Head Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Assistant Admin
  • Posts: 23,722
  • Joined: 30-March 05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cali

  • NFL Team:

  • MLB:

Posted 28 December 2011 - 05:25 PM

View Postjet-man, on 26 December 2011 - 03:53 PM, said:

replacing shitty yeah, but with callahan... hell to the no! the west coast offense is the chad pennington dink and donk again. furthermore callahan has the tendency of not making adjustments and being very predictable. see superbowl when oak. played tampa. john gruden was all in his pockets. safety john lynch was miked during the game and calling out oak's play before they even ran them. oakland got routed and criticized for predictability after the game.

Futhermore, you would have to change your wr's. for short routed yac ability, instead of what i think they should do which is acquire wr's. with short and deep threat ability. this would back defenses off to aid the run game and definitely the o-line. Norv turner for o.c. would be a better alternative. wr.justin blackmon drafted out of okst. to replace plax is another idea. whether he falls to them is a whole diff. thing. the team needs youth and playmaking speed on off. and def. along with getting rid of shotty.


I pointed this out in another thread where i said i'd love to have gilbride as an OC. anyway callahan called plays that made journeyman rich gannon a 5000 yard passer. remember that?
Get it done MT
Posted Image
0

#5 User is offline   A1elbow Icon

  • LB Coach
  • Icon
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1,890
  • Joined: 07-October 09

  • NFL Team:

Posted 29 December 2011 - 02:28 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 28 December 2011 - 04:25 PM, said:

I pointed this out in another thread where i said i'd love to have gilbride as an OC. anyway callahan called plays that made journeyman rich gannon a 5000 yard passer. remember that?


Yeah, but he had Brown and Rice to throw to (along with Jerry Porter). Brown and Rice were on the downside of their careers, but both were the stereotypical "savvy" vet. Porter was where he should have been for his career, a dangerous third receiver. And they had good, although not spectacular backs, in Garner and Wheatley.

Funny, looking at Gannon's best season, Garner was the second leading receiver in yards and receptions (91 for 941) and only had one less reception than Rice.

Anyway, I think that team had a lot more mid-level talent than people realise and some of the coaching respect Callahan and Gruden got is unfair because people tend to see that team as beign a bunch of old bums.
Posted Image


Exterminate all rational thought, that is the conclusion I have come to
0

Page 1 of 1


Fast Reply

  

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users