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RetireChrebet Icon : (26 August 2014 - 08:33 PM) Dimitri suspended for the rest of preseason. I'm sorry, I know we are bone dry at corner these days but they should have cut this prick on the spot . He's going to get torched regardless this year and I'd rather cut ties with any potential cancerous attitutudes before the season even starts.
RetireChrebet Icon : (26 August 2014 - 08:34 PM) Where I come from you take responsibility for your actions. Not showing up for a game is cowardly and selfish. f*** him
RetireChrebet Icon : (26 August 2014 - 08:36 PM) Also he doesn't know what the acronym AWOL means so he's also an idiot. No wonder he's never been anything but a journeyman corner is this league.
azjetfan Icon : (26 August 2014 - 09:11 PM) So how do you really feel?
RetireChrebet Icon : (26 August 2014 - 11:18 PM) I think my last three posts pretty much summarize how I feel haha. He's making 1.5 mill this year and no call no shows because his feeling are hurt. Would rather you play corner azjetfan than this guy
MikeGangGree... Icon : (27 August 2014 - 08:12 AM) Need 1 more for FFB!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (27 August 2014 - 08:39 AM) Stephen Hill is going to get cut, guy sucks. Greg Salas is a better football player and deserves a spot over him
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (27 August 2014 - 11:27 AM) So when do we show up to 115s house with pitchforks, tar and feathers?
Jetsfan115 Icon : (27 August 2014 - 12:03 PM) i'd rather see idzik go then hill. fire idzik
bleedsgreen Icon : (27 August 2014 - 12:21 PM) Hill is such a disappointment. I really was hopping for so much when he scored 2 TDs his first game
MikeGangGree... Icon : (27 August 2014 - 03:11 PM) We need to get the J-E-T-S chant back this year to the way it was
MikeGangGree... Icon : (27 August 2014 - 03:13 PM) idk if any of u guys went to any of the games last year[Im sure some of u did] but im not a fan of the drumline leading the chant
MikeGangGree... Icon : (27 August 2014 - 03:14 PM) its not the same as 70,000 people doing it during every kickoff and after every score
Jetsfan115 Icon : (27 August 2014 - 05:43 PM) injuries and poor QB play aren't good for a WR to develop
Jetsman05 Icon : (27 August 2014 - 06:08 PM) 115 and Hill. Lol!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (27 August 2014 - 10:18 PM) the excuses, Hill is just a terrible football player. no debate, just a fact. guy is soft as shit as well
Jetsfan115 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:43 AM) right cause all our other WRs were lighting it up
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 07:04 PM) Hill is useless bro lol
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:05 PM) All I can say I streamed this game and if anyone thinks about recording it from NFL Network at 4pm Eastern Saturday.....DONT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:07 PM) This game was pure sh1t. Even though it was back up players the Jets got totally destroyed in this game. After seeing this game Im really worried about the Jets starting core because these backup guys looked like they shouldn't have even been on the field at all. I just hope the starters are 3000 times better than these guys that played in game 4
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:09 PM) The Jets got horse f*cked by the Eagles in this game.
ganggreen2003 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:24 PM) we are hosed in the secondary
ganggreen2003 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:26 PM) we need to cut this assclown patterson
ganggreen2003 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:34 PM) did Hill get cut yet?
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) lol. We might need to look at the Eagles cuts for possible 2nd and 3rd stringers
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) If they keep ZHill after this game I will be shocked.
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:38 PM) Philly gave us a worse ass whipping than Detroit gave Buffalo. only difference is we scored
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:42 PM) Im just wondering what manning will put up on our secondary? 70?
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:12 PM) who cares about getting destroyed in a preseason game, especially the 4th one. Most of these guys won't even make the team
ganggreen2003 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:15 PM) Hill cut yet?
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:18 PM) FIRE IDZIK
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:21 PM) Yeah this game means nothing...except to Stephen Hill (who fumbled lol) and 115
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:23 PM) Hill is a bum, hes pretty much never shown much football skill. The Jets fucked up big time taking him over Alshon Jeffery.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:29 PM) I'm still pissed off about that
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:43 PM) Its not that Im worried about the preseason game itself. i could care less about that. Its the fact of how bad we got destroyed. And some of the guys will be on the team and others on the fringe so getting destroyed like that doesnt fill me with confidence
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:44 PM) It would be one thing if it was just the second half or 4th quarter but this was the whole game. especially getting destroyed in the 1st quarter and at least part of the 2nd where a lot of the guys will be on the team
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:48 PM) 2nd and 3rd stringers making the team had something to prove and even our 2nd stringers got owned so yes Im very concerned. The first stringers need breaks and also if some of them get injured they need to step up. So no after this performance start to finish Im very concerned
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:39 AM) Meh...you're reading too much into it
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:40 AM) Even in seasons where the Jets blew, I haven't seen anyone refer to the preseason to complain. Ever.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 09:15 AM) fire izdik http://theredzone.or...rs/Default.aspx
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:17 AM) I picture Rob and 115 as real life friends
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:01 PM) Holmes can still play, problem is that hes also a cancer. He wore out his welcome with the Jets
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:23 PM) did Hill get cut?
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 09:00 PM) Haven't seen anything yet
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 09:06 PM) Whos ready for the season!!? WOOOOO
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This Is Rex's 1St Year In 4 Years He Hasn't Been To The Afc Championship Game

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 04:21 AM

Just saying.

Also one could make the argument that it's been Rex Ryans defenses that have gotten the Ravens (year 1) and the Jets to back to back AFC championship games.It sure has hell wasn't neither teams offense.

Even through all the turmoil.

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 09:33 AM

rex isn't my issue. i believe in rex and everyhting he does. my issue is the offense is pathetic. and not just the execution where you can blame players but i mean basics like getting the plays in on time and communicating the plays and making sure everyione knows the snap cout. etc etc. things that high school kids can do correctly we have million dolar athletes who cna't do it. WTF?
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 09:46 AM

Rex's lack of involvement in the offense should be more worrying to people than it seems to be. To be an elite coach in the league you need to either be able to put your hand in every situation or have someone running the side of the ball you don't "specialise" in who is top of their class.

Ryan failed this year as a HC in several ways, but one of them was definitely not being more involved with his offense. I felt at the beginning of the year that our offense was less talented and would only be better through maturation of players and that is how it played out; I think Ryan vastly overestimated what they brought in on that side of the ball.
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 03:49 PM

View PostA1elbow, on 04 January 2012 - 09:46 AM, said:

Rex's lack of involvement in the offense should be more worrying to people than it seems to be. To be an elite coach in the league you need to either be able to put your hand in every situation or have someone running the side of the ball you don't "specialise" in who is top of their class.

Ryan failed this year as a HC in several ways, but one of them was definitely not being more involved with his offense. I felt at the beginning of the year that our offense was less talented and would only be better through maturation of players and that is how it played out; I think Ryan vastly overestimated what they brought in on that side of the ball.


You do know that this is his first stint as a head coach right? he's still learning the ropes. If it were another coach and all this was going on then yea I'd say were f*cked but you know what? this is Rex. He'll be able to control that locker room. With time everything will die. All of this rhetoric were hearing will die, then he'll be able to move in and do what he does.

Yes Rex should have been involved more. Rex had too much confidence in Schotty. Rex was however sitting in on offensive team meetings so don't get it twisted like he did nothing with the offense.
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 04:19 PM

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You do know that this is his first stint as a head coach right? he's still learning the ropes. If it were another coach and all this was going on then yea I'd say were f*cked but you know what? this is Rex. He'll be able to control that locker room. With time everything will die. All of this rhetoric were hearing will die, then he'll be able to move in and do what he does.

Yes Rex should have been involved more. Rex had too much confidence in Schotty. Rex was however sitting in on offensive team meetings so don't get it twisted like he did nothing with the offense.


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Posted 04 January 2012 - 07:28 PM

I'm still buying into Rex as our HC, I think he'll get things corrected this offseason and we will be back in the playoffs next year.
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Posted 04 January 2012 - 11:11 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 04 January 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

I'm still buying into Rex as our HC, I think he'll get things corrected this offseason and we will be back in the playoffs next year.


Rex is to prideful to go out like this. Honestly I worry more about Sanchez being the guy then I worry about Rex fully losing the lockerroom. Even as bad as things have gotten I truely believe Rex will have this team all warm and fuzzy by the time OTA's start.
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Posted 05 January 2012 - 02:28 PM

View PostS-Dubb, on 04 January 2012 - 02:49 PM, said:

You do know that this is his first stint as a head coach right? he's still learning the ropes. If it were another coach and all this was going on then yea I'd say were f*cked but you know what? this is Rex. He'll be able to control that locker room. With time everything will die. All of this rhetoric were hearing will die, then he'll be able to move in and do what he does.

Yes Rex should have been involved more. Rex had too much confidence in Schotty. Rex was however sitting in on offensive team meetings so don't get it twisted like he did nothing with the offense.


I don't hold things against Ryan that everyone knew he would struggle with. Him still working on being more involved in the offense is worrying, but I think coaches should be given enough time to prove themselves* and that is acceptable. But Ryan was supposed to be this great football motivator and be so close to his players, but it is coming out in all sorts of ways that while he might be their buddy, he didn't know how they really felt or had much insight into his team. Considering that, yeah, I do think the team needs to be long terms planning for a new coach. I don't have any faith in Ryan because he is immature and has shown a total lack of willingness to address issues that arise.

*funny though that I'm sure a lot of people saying Ryan needs time didn't feel that was true with Mangini.
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Posted 05 January 2012 - 03:22 PM

View PostA1elbow, on 05 January 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

I don't hold things against Ryan that everyone knew he would struggle with. Him still working on being more involved in the offense is worrying, but I think coaches should be given enough time to prove themselves* and that is acceptable. But Ryan was supposed to be this great football motivator and be so close to his players, but it is coming out in all sorts of ways that while he might be their buddy, he didn't know how they really felt or had much insight into his team. Considering that, yeah, I do think the team needs to be long terms planning for a new coach. I don't have any faith in Ryan because he is immature and has shown a total lack of willingness to address issues that arise.

*funny though that I'm sure a lot of people saying Ryan needs time didn't feel that was true with Mangini.



Rex has done more than Mangini.
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Posted 05 January 2012 - 05:07 PM

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Rex has done more than Mangini.


Rex took over a better team than Mangini. Mangini's first year's we lost our best pass rusher because of the previous coach/GM tandem's stupidity (and, in all fairness, Abe's ego/greed).

His first year we drafted two bro-bowl players and Eric Smith, who Ryan still uses as a starter. In three seasons we drafted Revis, Mangold, Ferguson, Kellar and Harris. Since he has been gone we have drafted...Mark (who it seems most people want gone), Greene (again, who most people want gone), Slauson (who no one likes), Duccasse (nuff said), and this past draft's guys (I think Wilkerson and Kerley have shown some promise, but then again I like Greene and Sanchez).

Now, of course Mangini was here when V.G. was drafted, but I think it is funny that the coach who was here when the majority of players people on this board actually like "didn't do as much" as the coach who has been here during a period where we drafted a litany of players people think suck. This is just really a matter of perspective, because I think since Tannenbaum took over we have drafted above the league average.

It it amazes me this notion Ryan has been so much more successful, certainly and in some ways fairly because of the AFC Championship games, but not at all fairly in terms of what was in place when each coach took over. Mangini was 23-25 and Ryan is 28-20. If Favre is healthy all season Mangini is likely closer to 25 or 26 wins and has two playoff appearences and is just whatever playoff results behind Ryan in terms of record. The talent that was brought in while he was coach was better.
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Posted 05 January 2012 - 05:26 PM

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Rex took over a better team than Mangini. Mangini's first year's we lost our best pass rusher because of the previous coach/GM tandem's stupidity (and, in all fairness, Abe's ego/greed).

His first year we drafted two bro-bowl players and Eric Smith, who Ryan still uses as a starter. In three seasons we drafted Revis, Mangold, Ferguson, Kellar and Harris. Since he has been gone we have drafted...Mark (who it seems most people want gone), Greene (again, who most people want gone), Slauson (who no one likes), Duccasse (nuff said), and this past draft's guys (I think Wilkerson and Kerley have shown some promise, but then again I like Greene and Sanchez).

Now, of course Mangini was here when V.G. was drafted, but I think it is funny that the coach who was here when the majority of players people on this board actually like "didn't do as much" as the coach who has been here during a period where we drafted a litany of players people think suck. This is just really a matter of perspective, because I think since Tannenbaum took over we have drafted above the league average.

It it amazes me this notion Ryan has been so much more successful, certainly and in some ways fairly because of the AFC Championship games, but not at all fairly in terms of what was in place when each coach took over. Mangini was 23-25 and Ryan is 28-20. If Favre is healthy all season Mangini is likely closer to 25 or 26 wins and has two playoff appearences and is just whatever playoff results behind Ryan in terms of record. The talent that was brought in while he was coach was better.



You can't go by the drafting for the HCs, we have the same GM and scouts that do most of the work for this. Brick was a easy call to draft 4th overall that year with who was on the board and our huge need for OL talent, Mangold was a easy call as well. Both were highly rated prospects coming out. Trading up for Revis was great, I remember reading how Terry Bradway was big on him and did a lot of the scouting for him. Then his 3rd draft he gets Vernon Gholston 6th overall which was a huge set back as we failed to add that pass rusher we need. Dustin Keller is solid but besides that not much more.

I remember our DBs playing terrible in the 2008 season, garbage QBs were throwing all over us. So what if Favre was injured, we had a great RB tandem with Thomas Jones who had 1,312 yards 4.5 YPC, 13 TDs. And Leon Washington who was under utilized. Mangini also had a healthy Kris Jenkins that season.

As a coach Rex is much better, he took the same team pretty much that was awful on defense and turned them into the #1 defense in football and went to the AFC championship game with a rookie QB. Mangini had a future HOFer at QB. How about losing to the Patriots early in the season 19-10 when they had Matt Cassel at QB? Team played scared. Mangini didn't have the guys believing they could win. Rex has made players better.

And our drafts have not been that bad, especially since we have been drafting at the end of the 1st round with Rex. We haven't hit on a difference maker yet.

2009-Mark Sanchez, Shonn Greene, Matt Slauson all starting
2010-Kyle Wilson (improved a lot this season), Vlad Ducasse (probably a bust but its not like Mangini didn't have busts like Kellen Clemens in round 2), Joe McKnight could be a weapon John Conner starter

2011-Muhammad Wilkerson (starter), Kenrick Ellis (jury is still out), Jeremy Kerley (looks like a player), Bilal Powell (who knows), Greg McEloy (could be a good backup).
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Posted 05 January 2012 - 05:41 PM

The Ryan-apologist line continues: you can't blame him for anything because all he knows is defense.


I also love how people always tell me the HC has nothing to do with drafting. Yeah, all HCs take a two month vacation and the Gm drafts without consideration of his HC at all.

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Dustin Keller is solid but besides that not much more.


Yeah, four pro-bowlers (and an All-Pro) in three years plus Keller but not much more. Pretty average drafts by most team's standards.
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Posted 05 January 2012 - 05:58 PM

View PostA1elbow, on 05 January 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

The Ryan-apologist line continues: you can't blame him for anything because all he knows is defense.


I also love how people always tell me the HC has nothing to do with drafting. Yeah, all HCs take a two month vacation and the Gm drafts without consideration of his HC at all.



Yeah, four pro-bowlers (and an All-Pro) in three years plus Keller but not much more. Pretty average drafts by most team's standards.

I didn't say the HC has nothing to do with drafting, but that Tannenbaum has the final say. The scouting department has a lot of say with drafting. I think Rex says he gets to choose 1 player that he wants each year. The scouts go off of what fits the system Rex wants but its not like Rex and Mangini are finding these guys alone. There are a lot of voices being heard and trying to say that Mangini is a better drafter wouldn't be fair since his last year here our draft had Vernon Gholston.
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Posted 05 January 2012 - 06:10 PM

View PostA1elbow, on 05 January 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

The Ryan-apologist line continues: you can't blame him for anything because all he knows is defense.


I also love how people always tell me the HC has nothing to do with drafting. Yeah, all HCs take a two month vacation and the Gm drafts without consideration of his HC at all.



Yeah, four pro-bowlers (and an All-Pro) in three years plus Keller but not much more. Pretty average drafts by most team's standards.


A1 you need to calm down bud.

You wanna know what the Jets did year two with Rex? they gave him 1 pick. You know who it was? John Conner. Rex has somewhat of a say and everything they do is COLLECTIVE but it's a collective decision about the team. Again you seem to be fixated at pointing the finger at an individual and I'm sorry it doesn't work like that. When it comes to the draft there is a brain trust of 10 to 12 people involved in the process. Rex doesn't really have much leverage. They guy is coaching an NFL football team from basically August to January, when does he have time to look at draft boards? That's what a scouting department is for. Like I said, Rex and most "newer" head coaches have minimal say. Mike Tannenbaum signs off on all draftee's but again it's collective.

I know you're not fond of Rex and that's fine but stop reaching.
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Posted 05 January 2012 - 06:12 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 05 January 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

I didn't say the HC has nothing to do with drafting, but that Tannenbaum has the final say. The scouting department has a lot of say with drafting. I think Rex says he gets to choose 1 player that he wants each year. The scouts go off of what fits the system Rex wants but its not like Rex and Mangini are finding these guys alone. There are a lot of voices being heard and trying to say that Mangini is a better drafter wouldn't be fair since his last year here our draft had Vernon Gholston.


Bro, check my post. I didn't even see yours before posting mine. Too funny
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Posted 06 January 2012 - 07:33 AM

Ah once again, there is no coach in the league less involved in their team to the fans than Rex Ryan (doesn't do much in drafting, doesn't do much on offense or special teams, doesn't know his players, doesn't call the defense...) but has so much loyalty. I don't even dislike the guy that much, it's just that every time I criticise him I'm told how he wasn't really involved in that aspect of football.

It amazes me. I hope when anyone refers to him as the head coach from now on they make sure it is never in capitals, because no other coach seems less entitled to having it that way.
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Posted 06 January 2012 - 01:23 PM

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Ah once again, there is no coach in the league less involved in their team to the fans than Rex Ryan (doesn't do much in drafting, doesn't do much on offense or special teams, doesn't know his players, doesn't call the defense...) but has so much loyalty. I don't even dislike the guy that much, it's just that every time I criticise him I'm told how he wasn't really involved in that aspect of football.

It amazes me. I hope when anyone refers to him as the head coach from now on they make sure it is never in capitals, because no other coach seems less entitled to having it that way.


So according to we don't need offensive coordinators, special teams coaches or D. Coordinators because the head coach is supposed to do everything. Right ok gotcha.

There is something you desperately need to take into consideration. Mike Westoff is a pioneer on special teams and has been close to getting a head coaching job a few times. In league circles (say what you will) Brian Schottenheimer is noted for being an excellent coach and head coach material. Bill Callahan OL coach (but involved with offense) has a plethora of experience so you know what. I don't blame Rex for not getting overly involved. Even if we was overly involved how much influence could he really have. A1 seriously.. think about it. It's not about delusional fans "covering" for Rex. Most of it is common sense.

Rex will be the first guy on the team to say he's a fault, that he's the coach and if falls on him. We've been to 2 ACP champ games, GM Mike T decimated this team and played the "pull and plug" game with to many piece of this team.

I just think your not looking at it from a more broadened point of view.

Everything makes sense. To me anyways.
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Posted 06 January 2012 - 01:27 PM

Mike McCarthy a offensive guy that couldn't win a championship until he hired a good defensive mind to run his defense with Dom Capers. Sean Payton a offensive guy had to hire a good defensive mind to win a championship with the Saints, Greg Williams.

So why can't Rex need a good offensive mind to run his offense? Bill Belichick hasn't won a championship since having Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel as his coordinators. Coordinators matter.
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Posted 06 January 2012 - 01:44 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 06 January 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

Mike McCarthy a offensive guy that couldn't win a championship until he hired a good defensive mind to run his defense with Dom Capers. Sean Payton a offensive guy had to hire a good defensive mind to win a championship with the Saints, Greg Williams.

So why can't Rex need a good offensive mind to run his offense? Bill Belichick hasn't won a championship since having Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel as his coordinators. Coordinators matter.


Good point 99. Same as Sean Payton going and getting a solid defensive coordinator in Greg Williams. You think Sean Payton is heavily involved with the defense? Hell no.
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Posted 06 January 2012 - 04:25 PM

i got not problem with Rex or Sanchez for that matter...yea it sucks we're out of the playoffs,but hey,we cant win them all...and for all the heat their gettin especially Sanchez,i dont think either is the real problem...leadership yea and more importantly the lack of offense is whats hurting us....Sanchez is an easy target,he's the face of the franchise since he came here,yea he's a game manager but thats what his OC trained him to be,he's obviously got the tools and the arm to make the big plays,but when ur being held down,and always checkin down cuz ur scared of getting hit all the damm time thanks to the crappy oline this season,its easy to see why us NY'ers would immediately be calling for his head...Shit when's the last time the Colts called for Mannings head and that dude always tanks in the playoffs,one bad season aint gonna kill us...we just gotta hope we turn things around next year..
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