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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 12:14 AM

Sparano?

Really?

The same guy that played almost exclusively for FGs?

The same guy that's never been an OC?

The same guy who's expertise is the Offensive Line, yet, having spent $200M on the OL under him, the Dolphins will still need to spend a high pick on an OL?

This is the guy that's going to "open up" our offense?

Really?
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 12:19 AM

I am not thrilled about Sparano either, unless we bring in Todd Haley as well.

I can't get over that this guy fist pumps for FGs.


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Posted 11 January 2012 - 12:21 AM

Im not thrilled either. I like a good run game but...

It might work. Jets have a better defense then the Dolphins the Sparano is good at running the football. If Todd Haley joins that would be ideal. I like the notion of these 2 together.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 12:23 AM

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I am not thrilled about Sparano either, unless we bring in Todd Haley as well.


I'm just not sure what to think of this hire. When you think "offense", Sparano is like the 40th name I'd come up with. The dude's biggest accomplishment was the WildCat... which was solved by every team the second year. What does he bring to the table? I feel like we're making the same mistake we did with Burress, going after a household name and hoping he works out.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 12:25 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 11 January 2012 - 12:23 AM, said:

I'm just not sure what to think of this hire. When you think "offense", Sparano is like the 40th name I'd come up with. The dude's biggest accomplishment was the WildCat... which was solved by every team the second year. What does he bring to the table? I feel like we're making the same mistake we did with Burress, going after a household name and hoping he works out.

And it wasn't even Sparano who came up with the wild cat, I don't know the name but some coach from Arkansas brought it there. Sparano wasn't the OC with the Dolphins, when he called the plays in Dallas they were 5th in yards and 4th in points. But Todd Haley was with him and did the passing game.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 12:27 AM

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Im not thrilled either. I like a good run game but...

It might work. Jets have a better defense then the Dolphins the Sparano is good at running the football. If Todd Haley joins that would be ideal. I like the notion of these 2 together.


Our defense shouldn't play a factor in this signing. I mean, the Dolphins offense absolutely sucked under Sparano. We were suppose to find someone to push Sanchez back onto the right path... instead we bring in a guy who brought back a high school offense that minimizes the QB? What are we saying here? I just feel like this is more of the same but opposite. Instead of throwing the ball 67 times a game into a dime defense, we'll be running 67 times a game into a 46.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 12:28 AM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 11 January 2012 - 12:25 AM, said:

And it wasn't even Sparano who came up with the wild cat, I don't know the name but some coach from Arkansas brought it there. Sparano wasn't the OC with the Dolphins, when he called the plays in Dallas they were 5th in yards and 4th in points. But Todd Haley was with him and did the passing game.


Is Haley coming here? I don't think so. I haven't seen a single report that indicates taht the rumors are true.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 12:30 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 11 January 2012 - 12:28 AM, said:

Is Haley coming here? I don't think so. I haven't seen a single report that indicates taht the rumors are true.


I have read that the Jets have expressed interest in Haley and a report that Haley and Sparano discussed pairing up together. I have not seen that Haley is coming yet, but I am hoping he does.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 12:32 AM

The right move would've been to bring in some up and coming QB coach if we couldn't land a top OC. Carolina's QB coach took Newton and made him a superstar. Someone like that with fresh ideas and ambition. You know what Sparano is going to bring. 3 yards, a cloud of dust and he'll bolt for the college ranks as soon as some ACC school has an openning.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 12:35 AM

The guy was coaching for his job during that FG. How the f*** can you blame him for being happy?

I wanted Ramsdell but I'm completely fine with this move and it adds instant cred to the job. He'll run a consistent offense, put our players in positions to succeed and can hire his own staff.

I think it's a damn good hire, plus who knows the division better?
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 12:37 AM

I just looked at the Miami message boards and they're all very happy that we hired Sparano. That's a bad sign. He's their Schotty. I think we just traded in our 85 Buick LeSabre for a 88 Carolla.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 12:38 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 11 January 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

I just looked at the Miami message boards and they're all very happy that we hired Sparano. That's a bad sign. He's their Schotty. I think we just traded in our 85 Buick LeSabre for a 88 Carolla.


Yeah because we all know how intellectual the Miami fan base is.

Right on. f*** Sparano.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 12:42 AM

View PostJetsman05, on 11 January 2012 - 12:38 AM, said:

Yeah because we all know how intellectual the Miami fan base is.

Right on. f*** Sparano.


Intellectual or not, when did we ever fear Miami's offense during his tenure? I mean, he's the OL expert right? THEIR OL SUCKS! If he can't fix the one thing he's built his career on, how are we suppose to feel with him turning Sanchez around?
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 12:44 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 11 January 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

I just looked at the Miami message boards and they're all very happy that we hired Sparano. That's a bad sign. He's their Schotty. I think we just traded in our 85 Buick LeSabre for a 88 Carolla.

Sparano didn't call the plays in Miami. Sometimes coaches aren't good HCs but are good coordinators, though Sparano doesn't have a big history as a OC which worries me.

But most of the Dolphins on finheaven are huge homers and hate the Jets more than anything.

Here is what one said about the hiring.

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Trust me, Sparano running the Jets offense is not a good thing for us.

He coached our entire defense for 3 years, and his attention to detail is going to be extremely beneficial for them on the offensive side of the ball. He is a complete buffoon when it comes to running an entire team and things such as clock management, game situations, etc, but he will most likely thrive than fail for them.

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 12:45 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 11 January 2012 - 12:42 AM, said:

Intellectual or not, when did we ever fear Miami's offense during his tenure? I mean, he's the OL expert right? THEIR OL SUCKS! If he can't fix the one thing he's built his career on, how are we suppose to feel with him turning Sanchez around?


He's going to bring his own staff, one that'll help with Sanchez.

Sparano will do all the little things at this point we need. I think we'll be pleasantly surprised and if we're judging Miami, what they did with Matt Moore the second half of season was nothing short of amazing.

I get what you're saying but lets not take Fins words for it.

It wasn't a flashy hire but I think one we needed.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 01:22 AM

Ahhh man I just really don't know about this hire


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Posted 11 January 2012 - 01:23 AM

This was never going to be a hire that everyone was going to go crazy about.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 01:27 AM

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Beginning his NFL career in 1999, Sparano was fired in three staffing purges after brief stints with the Cleveland Browns, Washington Redskins and Jacksonville Jaguars. While with the Redskins, Sparano was partly responsible for launching the career of Ross Tucker. Sparano was hired by new Dallas Cowboys coach Bill Parcells in 2003, rising from tight ends coach to assistant head coach in his five seasons in Dallas. Sparano was the offensive play-caller for Dallas in 2006, but ceded the responsibilities to new offensive coordinator Jason Garrett the following season.

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After firing Cam Cameron following a franchise-worst 115 season, the Miami Dolphins and new executive vice president of football operations Parcells hired Sparano to a four-year contract on January 16, 2008.

In his first season, Sparano led the Dolphins to an 115 record and the AFC East division title, securing the franchise's first playoff berth in seven seasons before losing to the Baltimore Ravens in a wild-card game. The 10-win turnaround tied an NFL record and Sparano finished one vote behind Atlanta Falcons first-year head coach Mike Smith in balloting for the AP Coach of the Year award.

In 2009 and 2010 each, Sparano led the Dolphins to a 7-9 record and third place in the AFC East. Sparano's Dolphins went 1-7 at home in 2010. The Dolphins were the subject of much gossip at the end of the 2010 season when team owner Stephen Ross flew across the country with General Manager Jeff Ireland to interview then Stanford University coach Jim Harbaugh. At the time of the interview with Harbaugh, Sparano was still the team's head coach. It was also reported by numerous media sources that Ross also spoke with former NFL coaches Jon Gruden and Bill Cowher about the not yet open position. According to reports Bill Cowher told Ross he would not talk to him while he had a head coach in place.

On January 8, 2011, the Dolphins gave Sparano a two-year extension with Ross saying he was the perfect man for the job.

On December 12, 2011, Sparano was fired from the Miami Dolphins as head coach, and will be replaced by Todd Bowles.

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 01:45 AM

The guy doesn't have a very good track record. He didn't handle Henne all that well. Apparently he needed a pass influenced coach when he was calling signals for Dallas. People can say what ever they want about Dan Henning calling the plays I always have seen a long laminated play-call sheet in his hands on Sunday.

Well the end result is this hire was made under Rex Ryan so if this all goes down in burning flames then so does Rex Ryan and it's on to the next. (can't believe I said that) but I just really don't like the hiring.

Thinking optimistically he will command the respect and lay down the rules with his players. Miami never quit on Sparano even though they losing, He's worked exclusively with the Oline and running game so that should be pretty big improvement, Holmes won't be able to act like b*tch under Sparano, he's seen and played against Sanchez so he might be able to help him there. Strengthen weaknesses. Other then that I'm tapped out optimistically.

Pessimistically he might ruin Sanchez more then Schotty already has, He doesn't have experience with quarterbacks, how much is he really drawing up plays?, his history isn't warm and fuzzy.

Oh man.. usually I think optimistically but something just doesn't sit right with me.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 01:52 AM

That is why I want Todd Haley brought in as well. Also Chad Henne blows, he never showed any improvement and always was a underachiever. Sanchez shows way more ability than him, he shows winning ability.
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