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Posted 09 February 2012 - 12:41 AM

View Postchocomag, on 06 February 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

In that case I am sure Donovan will make the Hall of Fame on his first ballot. And as for attempts, Namath had many games where all he could do is throw the ball. The defense knew it and so did everyone in the stands. However, sarcastic or not, I still have not heard back from you as to whether you had seen him actually play.

As I assume that not to be the case, let's try this one. 35 years from now, your kids will be watching the NFL and because the game has evolved they tell you that Tom Brady, Drew Brees, etc. were overrated hacks because they never threw for 6,000 yards in a season. They never threw 75 TD passes either. You sit there and say "you're right. Those guys stunk". I don't think so. At least I hope not.

There is more to the game than taking stats and reading them. Fran Tarkenton retired with the best stats of any QB ever (at that time). But he was never the best QB in any given year.

Sports makes for excellent debates and your philosophy has a certain amount of merit. It's just a shame you won't realize the other side until you are on it. As for the sarcasm, it wasn't intended as an insult. I would not want to do that to you. But let's go back to your original statement lumping Unitas, Bradshaw, and Staubach into that group. So Donovan McNabb by your standards was a better QB than the best QB's of that era. Maybe that's true. After all, his many Super Bowl rings - oops, forgot he doesn't have any. But those clutch performances - oops, his own teammates watched him barf on the field in that crucial game. But he must have had more completions and attempts and less int's than those guys so he must be better.

Speak to people who have seen Namath and those guys and McNabb. And then let me know the next time they do a 90 minute documentary on McNabb. I wouldn't want to miss it. So far its been Campbell's soup commercials.

You are misunderstanding my reference of the statistics. I did not watch Joe Namath play. I watched Super Bowl III on the NFL Network. From your previous posts, I take it you did watch him play. It is also quite obvious that you place a lot of emphasis on wins.

Tell me, how many winning seasons did the Jets have under Namath? How many playoff games did Namath win? My research tells me 3 seasons at the most and maybe 3 to 4 playoff games (not clear). So let's see... horrible touchdown to interception ratio, horrible completion percentage, and horrible winning percentage. He was a cocky, outspoken, bold player who had a lot of talent and it all came to fruition one magical season. And that makes him a great quarterback? Joe Namath is in the hall of fame because of his guarantee and what it meant to the AFL/NFL merger. He is not a great quarterback. And the last time I checked, Donovan McNabb took his team to at least 4 NFC championship games and a Super Bowl. He also had countless fourth quarter come from behind wins with a less than stellar supporting cast on offense. Check out his winning percentage.

Your argument is ridiculous and has no merit. I like Namath and enjoy his commentary. But he was not a great quarterback, regardless of the context of the NFL at the time. Chad Pennington was the best quarterback the Jets ever had and that's not saying much.
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Posted 09 February 2012 - 01:01 AM

Camezind.......I am not being condescending by asking this by any means but I am asking....what is your point? That Namath is simply overrated? That he wasn't a great QB? That he's not Hall of Fame worthy?

I will agree that he was overrated, and cocky, etc, BUT the man found ways to win. AND his biggest accomplishment was being a part of turning the league on it's ear by the team delivering on his guarantee. He may not have performed very well himself in SB3, but you can bet he was in everyone's heads in one way or another having the team believe we could win that game & we did. His flashy ways, his wearing stockings and fur coats, etc made him just as famous as his play on the field did. But ultimately, he will always be remembered for the guarantee.
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