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MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) good
MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) Best day of the week is the day after a Jets Win!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
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Jets Gave Bart Scott Permission To Seek Trade

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 03:25 PM

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Nearly two months after the Jets missed the playoffs for the first time since Rex Ryan took over, Gang Green has made it clear it would like to part ways with one of the key components in the Jetsí trips to consecutive AFC Championship Games.

The Daily News has learned that the Jets have given linebacker Bart Scott permission to seek a trade.

Scott has three years remaining on his six-year, $48 million contract signed in 2009. Rex Ryan brought Scott over from the Ravens to help Gang Green learn the intricacies of a defensive system that thrived in Baltimore.

Scott restructured his deal before the 2011 season. The tradeoff for his paycut in 2011 was that his 2012 base salary of $4.2 million would be fully guaranteed. (He also has an additional $250,000 bonus). Scott's base salary is $6.9 million in 2013 and 2014. Scott's guaranteed base salary in 2012 makes it unlikely that the Jets would simply cut him. Financially, it won't make much sense.


Scott, 31, grew increasingly unhappy with his diminished playing time during the Jets' disappointing 8-8 season. He was routinely taken out on third downs due to the team's belief that he had difficulty in coverage.

According to Pro Football Focus, Scott's 677 defensive snaps in 2011 were fewer than each of his first two seasons with the Jets.

His frustration at the end of the season was palpable. The Jets fined the veteran inside linebacker $10,000 for giving a photographer the middle finger in the Jets' locker room after Gang Green's disappointing loss to the Miami Dolphins.


The Jets freed up more than $7 million dollars last week by restructuring D'Brickashaw Ferguson's contract. They could create much-needed additional space by trading Scott, who could be a fit with the team that shares a stadium with the Jets. The Giants may be in the market for a linebacker this offseason.


Scott recently had a minor elbow scope, which shouldn't prevent him from participating in offseason activities that begin in mid-April.




Read more: http://www.nydailyne...4#ixzz1ncF8yN4F
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 04:00 PM

How much would we be on the hook for if we did trade or cut Bart? The article is a bit confusing as it says initially that it wouldn't make financial sense to just release him, but then that moving him on would create much needed additional space. I can't see him attracting anything more than a mid-late round pick, which would no doubt be useful, but would it really compensate enough for the cap hit?
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 05:19 PM

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How much would we be on the hook for if we did trade or cut Bart? The article is a bit confusing as it says initially that it wouldn't make financial sense to just release him, but then that moving him on would create much needed additional space. I can't see him attracting anything more than a mid-late round pick, which would no doubt be useful, but would it really compensate enough for the cap hit?


It would make no sense at all to cut him according to this article. His salary is guarenteed which means he is getting his 4+ million from the jets if he is wearing green and white or not. No way the jets cut him knowing that they have to pay him anyways. Trading him is the only way the jets could free themselves from his 2012 salary. With that being said, the jets would probably take a 4th to 6th round pick just to not be on the hook. If he is traded there would be no cap hit as his new team would be on the hook for the guareented sum, correct? (his new team could alway give scott a new deal once he is traded).

If this is the case, the jets are either eyeing a FA LB or in the draft with one of our first two picks...

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 05:47 PM

I don't think that the Giants would use him. They're trying to cut salary. Maybe we can ship him off to the Browns and get Massaqui.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 07:16 PM

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 07:26 PM

Bust of a signing (unless we could somehow get something better than a fourth for him).
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 07:57 PM

Mike Tannenbaum wheeling and dealing. Acting like a big shot, circus offseasons and bringing in every free agent and signing these 1 year mercenaries to outrageous F.A deals, now finds himself in a bind, asking Brick and others to restructure and letting guys seek trades just so he can fork over more money on free agents.

As the world turns. Great work Mike.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 08:21 PM

Bart Scott wants out, he was a cancer last season due to his reduced role.

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Once regarded as the centerpiece of Rex Ryan's defense, Bart Scott appears to be on the way out after three seasons with the New York Jets.

Team officials met with Scott's agent at the NFL scouting combine to discuss the linebacker's future. Agent Harold Lewis said Monday he told the Jets that Scott was "extremely frustrated" in his diminished role last season, and that it was "destroying him" not to be utilized as he was in his first two seasons.Lewis said he didn't request a trade, nor has he received permission to seek a trade. But that could be a matter of semantics at this point. Scott's "ultimate goal" is to stay with the Jets, according to Lewis, who added: "If we can't fix what's broken, there will be other opportunities."

Scott, 32, would go to the linebacker-needy New York Giants "in a heartbeat," Lewis said.

From all indications, the Jets are prepared to part ways with Scott, whose playing time decreased last season as he was removed on passing downs late in the year. The problem is, Scott's $4.2 million base salary is guaranteed. There is no off-set in the contract, meaning the Jets are on the hook for the entire salary.

Scott took a $1 million pay cut last summer, helping the team create much-needed cap space. In return, he received the guarantee for 2012 -- a move the Jets probably regret. Ultimately, they probably will have to eat the money. Scott's current cap charge is $5.9 million, but the Jets wouldn't get relief from that, either, because of the amount of "dead" money that would hit the cap.The Jets almost certainly will try to trade Scott in an attempt to recoup a late-round draft pick, but it's highly unlikely another team would be willing to take on his current contract. He'd have to restructure the deal to facilitate a trade. Financially, it would benefit Scott to get cut. That way, he'd be able to sign a new contract and "double dip," so to speak.

As much as it would hurt them cap-wise, the Jets want to get younger and faster on defense, and they also want to clean up their turmoil-ridden locker room of disgruntled players. Scott stewed last season when he was removed from certain packages that allowed him to blitz, according to Lewis. He also was replaced by the inexperienced Josh Mauga in coverage situations.

Lewis said he expects Scott to meet with Ryan and defensive coordinator Mike Pettine in the near future in an attempt to resolve the situation.

Three years ago, Scott arrived with considerable fanfare. He followed Ryan from the Baltimore Ravens to the Jets, signing a six-year, $48 million contract on the first day of free agency. It was a steep price, but Ryan felt Scott's intangibles -- namely, his toughness and swagger -- would add to the foundation of the defense.

Scott's frustration became evident at the end of the Jets' disappointing 8-8 season, when he directed an obscene gesture at a photographer in the locker room. He was fined $10,000 by the team.

Rich Cimini covers the Jets for ESPNNewYork.com.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 08:50 PM

Dubb, You seem kinda negative lately. All Ok?
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 09:02 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 27 February 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

Dubb, You seem kinda negative lately. All Ok?

Agreed
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 09:24 PM

View PostS-Dubb, on 27 February 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:

Mike Tannenbaum wheeling and dealing. Acting like a big shot, circus offseasons and bringing in every free agent and signing these 1 year mercenaries to outrageous F.A deals, now finds himself in a bind, asking Brick and others to restructure and letting guys seek trades just so he can fork over more money on free agents.

As the world turns. Great work Mike.


Having people restructure is the name of the game. It isn't like they lose money, it's cap arrangement. Part of what makes our GM one of the best number guys around.

Bart Scott was poor all season long, he's overpaid and it'd be a huge relief if he actually found someone to be traded to.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:38 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 27 February 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

Having people restructure is the name of the game. It isn't like they lose money, it's cap arrangement. Part of what makes our GM one of the best number guys around.

Bart Scott was poor all season long, he's overpaid and it'd be a huge relief if he actually found someone to be traded to.


Numbers guys are good to have but football guys are more important.

Whether or not Bart played well or is besides the point. Guys like Bart, Pace, Cromartie, Holmes and so are all guys that have underperformed (Except Cro) after getting gargantuan deals. Restructuring is key sure but it's Mike's recklessness in trying to "buy" himself a championship. Who is it this year? Overpaying out the ass for Peyton Manning? Laron Landry? or some other round peg to fit into our square hole?

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Dubb, You seem kinda negative lately. All Ok?


I'm tired of this franchise. Were a desperate team, Rex's dumb " we'll win it all in 4 years" rhetoric has this regime pressing to win now and making knee-jerk reactions. Trying to fix this team in one off-season with "bandaid" players isn't the answer. It never is. You win with chemistry, continuity, camaraderie and cohesion. You win with a core nucleous of young/veteran players. This team doesn't get it. Rex doesn't get it. No one gets it.

This whole crap about this team being "transparent" is B.S. Were a freaking joke of a franchise. Our team is being ran by a meathead coach and an impulsive GM but I'll go into this season as optimistic as I usually am, hoping for the best but I just have this feeling this team is no where near a deep playoff run. 1st year under Sparano, New playbook same sorry ass Shonn Greene, "the Sanchez-effect".

I'll be fine once August hits. I still have a bitter taste in my mouth after this disease of team imploded at the end of year. I'm still trying to recover from that. The media won't let it die, will hear about it week 1. Can these 2 bozo's (Sanch and Holmes) "work". Both this jackasses are getting paid what? around 150million combined and this is what were dealing with?

Ugh!

The next time I hear one of his " The Jets are going to be a great team this year" or " The Jets are coming babe" comments my heads going burst.

ahhhhhh Ok I'm done.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:41 PM

Just a few weeks ago you were behind Rex, now you are against him?
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:08 PM

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Just a few weeks ago you were behind Rex, now you are against him?


Nah I'm not against Rex but I am sh*tting on him right now. After all he's been through with this team over the last 3 years you'd figure he'd learn or change his demeanor. NOPE! I heard a couple press conferences and he just doesn't have a clue. To me he's coming off like a babbling idiot now. It was fun for a couple years but now its redundant.

Look I support Rex, however I'm not blind or green either. He's got a lot of work to do but judging from his pressers he still hasn't gotten a clue and frankly, that scares me.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:12 PM

View PostS-Dubb, on 27 February 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

Nah I'm not against Rex but I am sh*tting on him right now. After all he's been through with this team over the last 3 years you'd figure he'd learn or change his demeanor. NOPE! I heard a couple press conferences and he just doesn't have a clue. To me he's coming off like a babbling idiot now. It was fun for a couple years but now its redundant.

Look I support Rex, however I'm not blind or green either. He's got a lot of work to do but judging from his pressers he still hasn't gotten a clue and frankly, that scares me.



Really? because he just came out in a presser and said how he wasn't going to promise anything and that he was wrong for guaranteeing a SB last year. The only thing he really made clear was that they would be a team next year, he knows how important team chemistry is.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:31 PM

No one was a bigger supporter of Rex Ryan then me. I haven't given up on him. I'm just alarmed from what I saw in his presser. He did say how the superbowl guarantee had a bad effect, he has taken ownership of this situation but the "oh my bad" this and "my bad" that is getting extremely tired.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:29 AM

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A few quick thoughts:

1. Even though Bart Scott's agent insisted Monday he hasn't received permission from the Jets to seek a trade, it sure seems like the two sides are heading to divorce court. The agent, Harold Lewis, said Scott was frustrated last season by his diminished role. It doesn't sound like they're talking reconciliation. Teams usually don't bend over backward to appease aging linebackers with bloated contracts.

2. Even with a $4.2 million guaranteed salary for 2012 (not Mike Tannenbaum's finest renegotiation), I still can't envision Scott returning to the Jets. His play has slipped and the Jets, trying to rebuild locker-room harmony after last season's debacle, can't afford any potential headaches. They will try their hardest to trade him, hoping to salvage the situation by getting a late-round conditional pick.

3. Scott's position -- weak-inside linebacker -- is becoming obsolete. With the proliferation of spread offenses, inside 'backers are being replaced by nickel corners. Late in the season, I asked Scott about his diminished playing time and he said, "It's an adjustment. Football is changing. They're going with more three and four wides, and you want to get another cover guy out there."

4. Scott, 31, slowed down last season and was exposed in pass coverage. The coaches scaled back his role, pulling him on passing downs. He appeared in only 677 snaps after topping the 1,000 mark in each of his first two seasons with the Jets, according to the website Pro Football Focus. Against the run, he's still a solid in-the-box player, but a liability in space.

5. How does this play out? Here are the possibilities: Scott will either a.) Remain with the Jets under his current contract, b.) Take a pay cut to stay in a limited role, c.) Re-work his contract to facilitate a trade, d.) Get cut and walk away with $4.2 million. My money is on d.

6. Until a resolution is reached, I wouldn't be surprised if it gets ugly, Scott trying to shoot his way out of town and the Jets playing hardball. Conceivably, they could wait until July before letting him go, making it harder to find a new team -- the team's only leverage. But I find it hard to believe that Rex Ryan, who is close with Scott, would let it get that far.

7. It seems like Scott is trying to pull a Jerricho Cotchery. A year ago, Cotchery was frustrated with his role on offense and let his feelings be known right around the time of the scouting combine. For five months, he begged the Jets to trade or release him, and they finally did at the start of training camp. But be careful what you wish for, Bart, as Cotchery ended up signing a minimum contract and playing sparingly.

8. What about a trade? Seems highly unlikely ... unless he agrees to restructure his contract to make it more palatable for a new team. Why would Scott do that? After seeing what happened to Cotchery, he might be willing to leave some money on the table to ensure a soft landing in a hand-picked destination -- i.e. the Giants or the Ravens, his former team.

9. Tannenbaum hates to eat guaranteed money, whether it's a player contract or a coach's contract, but he has little choice here. It wouldn't be unprecedented. In 2010, the Jets did it with LG Alan Faneca, swallowing $5.25 million -- which probably didn't make owner Woody Johnson too happy.

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