[The Reverend]

http://m.nfl.com/new...dscape-in-2012/

Miami overtaking the Jets? Hmmm......

[extmenace]

They have either swept or split with us in each of our 3 seasons under rex. The jets were not a good team last year and had Miami went with Moore sooner rather than later soprano probably still has a head coaching job. Admit it or not, the dolphins are right about where we are talent wise with Matt Moore. If they nab manning or get a Flynn that plays like he did in green bay they easily pass us. I say this with the assumption that Sanchez stays average and doesn't become a qb that can carry his teams offense on his back.

[Jetsfan0099]

They might, especially if they get Manning. But I expect they will sign Matt Flynn since their new HC was the Packers OC. They have a WR that is a beast when he wants to be in Brandon Marshall, Reggie Bush was great for them last year, their OL has talent with Jake Long and Mike Pouncey. Their defense has talent on it, though I think they will drop off with Mike Nolan leaving them.

One thing is that Sparano kept them focused and prepared, he kept them fighting all year. I think our offense should be more disciplined. A lot will be determined by how our offseason goes and how the rest of the AFC east offseason goes. I think the Jets come in more humbled and hungry this year.

I have no idea how the Dolphins new HC is going to do, we will have to wait and see.

[SecondHandJets]

I think this is hilarious.

A Jets team imploaded, gave up on their OC, WRs and the QB were feuding with each other... and the Jets STILL finished 8-8. Now Miami is going to jump us in the division? How? Is Reggie Bush going to stay another career year? How are they going to fix their OL (which has more holes than ours)? They're switching to the 4-3 and it will take them at least 2 years to reshuffle the front 7. Oh yea... they're getting Matt Flynn or Peyton Manning. Matt Flynn had a great 2 games. I'm sorry but I'm not sold. Peyton is one hit away from retirement and may not be able to throw left. All this and we haven't touched on the subject that getting rid of Schotty is like having an extra Top 5 pick for the offense.

[extmenace]

SecondHandJets, on 28 February 2012 - 11:39 PM, said:

I think this is hilarious.

A Jets team imploaded, gave up on their OC, WRs and the QB were feuding with each other... and the Jets STILL finished 8-8. Now Miami is going to jump us in the division? How? Is Reggie Bush going to stay another career year? How are they going to fix their OL (which has more holes than ours)? They're switching to the 4-3 and it will take them at least 2 years to reshuffle the front 7. Oh yea... they're getting Matt Flynn or Peyton Manning. Matt Flynn had a great 2 games. I'm sorry but I'm not sold. Peyton is one hit away from retirement and may not be able to throw left. All this and we haven't touched on the subject that getting rid of Schotty is like having an extra Top 5 pick for the offense.

Shotty didn't have much of a problem finding a new job did he? Before the guy encountered sanchez the guy was considered one of the new bright minds in the sport. I agree that it was time for a change but this upcomming season will tell us who really was at fault for our offensive struggles (sanchez vs shotty).
But yea...Like it or not, the dolphins have a solid team. Whats wrong with their O-line unless I'm missing something? Carrey, pouncey, long, columbo, incognito doesn't seem to shabby to me. I hate the dolphins as much as the next jets fan does, but if they snag a top 5-10 QB, and can pick up some players to contribute in this years draft, the dolphins are a player in the AFC.

[SecondHandJets]

extmenace, on 29 February 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

Shotty didn't have much of a problem finding a new job did he? Before the guy encountered sanchez the guy was considered one of the new bright minds in the sport. I agree that it was time for a change but this upcomming season will tell us who really was at fault for our offensive struggles (sanchez vs shotty).

I'm not going to turn this into a thesis on how horrible Schotty was, but I will say that his reputation for his "offensive mind" was totally unwarranted. The Jets was his first job outside his father's shadow. He lasted 6 mediocre years and was forced out. Here's the crux of it: every single QB that he has coached ended up having a career year the year after they left his system. Is that a coincidence?

extmenace, on 29 February 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

But yea...Like it or not, the dolphins have a solid team. Whats wrong with their O-line unless I'm missing something? Carrey, pouncey, long, columbo, incognito doesn't seem to shabby to me. I hate the dolphins as much as the next jets fan does, but if they snag a top 5-10 QB, and can pick up some players to contribute in this years draft, the dolphins are a player in the AFC.

Carrey probably sticks out in your mind because he's a former first rounder, but ask any Fin fan and they'll tell you that he shouldn't be starting. Columbo is ancient and Incognito is a poor man's Rob Turner. Pouncey is okay, but he's not as good as his brother. Long is an All Pro. They got 2 holes, 1 meh and 2 starters. They will likely draft OL in the 1st 2 rounds.

Any team that adds a Top 10 QB is expected to be better than before. The problem is, adding that Top 10 QB. Who do you think is going to be Top 10? Matt Flynn? We've seen plenty of 2nd string QBs perform amazingly in mop up duties. There's absolutely no guarantee that he'll be any better than J Feeley... the last 2nd stringer the Fins gambled on. Peyton is an enigma, no one knows what he has left... however, the only team he's ever played for is pimping him out hardcore. The fact that they'd rather go into the season with a complete questionmark (a rookie) than even gamble that Peyton has anything left lets me know that he's far less than 100%.

[A1elbow]

extmenace, on 29 February 2012 - 07:36 AM, said:

Shotty didn't have much of

a problem finding a new job did he? Before the guy encountered sanchez the guy was considered one of the new bright minds in the sport. I agree that it was time for a change but this upcomming season will tell us who really was at fault for our offensive struggles (sanchez vs shotty).

Herm didn't have much trouble finding a new job did he? Mangini didn't have much trouble finding a new job...Mora Jr gets all sorts of jobs. Not really much of an argument.

As to Schotty, even if he goes to the Rams and turns them into an elite offense, it won't change the bad job he did here. He was bad at play design and calling before and during Sanchez.

[Jetsfan115]

A1elbow, on 29 February 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

Herm didn't have much trouble finding a new job did he? Mangini didn't have much trouble finding a new job...Mora Jr gets all sorts of jobs. Not really much of an argument.

As to Schotty, even if he goes to the Rams and turns them into an elite offense, it won't change the bad job he did here. He was bad at play design and calling before and during Sanchez.

exactly. look at bellochekc. he did a bad job in cleveland. that didn't change becuase he's done so well in NE

[Jetsfan0099]

SecondHandJets, on 28 February 2012 - 11:39 PM, said:

I think this is hilarious.

A Jets team imploaded, gave up on their OC, WRs and the QB were feuding with each other... and the Jets STILL finished 8-8. Now Miami is going to jump us in the division? How? Is Reggie Bush going to stay another career year? How are they going to fix their OL (which has more holes than ours)? They're switching to the 4-3 and it will take them at least 2 years to reshuffle the front 7. Oh yea... they're getting Matt Flynn or Peyton Manning. Matt Flynn had a great 2 games. I'm sorry but I'm not sold. Peyton is one hit away from retirement and may not be able to throw left. All this and we haven't touched on the subject that getting rid of Schotty is like having an extra Top 5 pick for the offense.

Every player in the league is one hit away from retirement.

[SecondHandJets]

Jetsfan0099, on 29 February 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

Every player in the league is one hit away from retirement.

Dont turns this into semantics. You know what I mean.

[Jetsfan0099]

SecondHandJets, on 29 February 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

Dont turns this into semantics. You know what I mean.

From all reports his neck is 100% healthy now, its not about his healthy now its about his performance level.

[SecondHandJets]

Jetsfan0099, on 29 February 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

From all reports his neck is 100% healthy now, its not about his healthy now its about his performance level.

You're never 100% after you have your verterbrae fused. The fact that there was nerve damage and he's trying to regain his arm strength is a giant red flag.