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MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 08:57 AM) GET RIVERS
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 08:59 AM) It's going to cost us 6 because we are going to have to outbid a bunch of teams
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (Yesterday, 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (Yesterday, 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (Yesterday, 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (Yesterday, 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Posted 22 March 2012 - 06:59 PM

11, if you're talking about the option, then obviously Tebow is better suited to an offense that includes that. I am talking about people specifically going on about the Wildcat. They are, of course, two different things. The athleticism new generations of players are bringing, along with rules changes and spread offense philosophies, is making option plays more viable again. However, the Wildcat is tossed around as this magical run-pass system, when it is hardly opens the possibility of passes at all.

I don't think an offense built with a lot of option plays is a particularly good idea. If a team is including a lot of those plays they probably don't trust their QB much. A few of them I understand, more than that and the team must just be trying to patch holes when they should be looking to actually build an offense.

That is the main reason I dislike Tebow and why adding him doesn't bring anything to this team. Rather than bringing in a gimmick player they are going to throw in when the offense is stalling, if they don't think Mark is going to get the job done they should load up on backups they do think could. Right now the team is hedging their bets in a wholly inadequate way.
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Posted 22 March 2012 - 07:22 PM

My post from another thread. I can't waste another keystroke on Tebow right now. I've said enough.



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This is what I think is on the collective minds of our front office. I'm starting to get the feeling the Jets just aren't quite sold on Mark Sanchez. Yes I realize the extension was given but it was supposed to be (from what I understood) a vote of confidence from the teams brass. The Jets throwing Sanchez the keys to the Benz with no real stipulations other then open it up and drive it but don't crash. It was supposed to be Sanchez's team and if it REALLY was Sanchez's team then we would get Jeremy Kerely to run the wildcat like he did so well in College (I'll leave the wildcat and the effect it has on QB's for another post). Instead we go out and sign this guy with more hype then Jeremy Lin, a guy with a cult-like following to New York not even 7 days after we intrusted this team to Sanchez.


Mike T has failed Mark Sanchez from the start and you know what? It's not really Mikes fault. He's just not a football guy. He's not a guy that has a feel for the team, a feel for the players and chemistry they might or might not have. He's a guy that either doesn't know or doesn't care about this team. He's played musical chairs with the WR position (one of the most fragile components of offense/quarterbacking) and now this? They (Mike and Rex) have scared the sh*t of him to make mistakes. He's so reluctant to throw, he seems shell shocked at times and only grows some balls when he knows it's do or die. They have protected him while he grows as a QB, they have protected him with great defense and a strong running game BUT when the running game doesn't work as well and the defense isn't playing top 3 ball Sanchez "deficientcies" really stick out like a sore thumb and we saw what the outcome will be as a result.

Sanchez's "extension" (In my eyes) seemed to be like a,' Ok, here you go, time to sink or swim kid'... kind of deal.

Now it seems like they are still throwing it out there subliminally "hey don't f*k up too much or I'll yank ya". Drew Stanton gave him the feeling 'ok, there's a young guy on the roster now gotta elevate my game' but with the confidence this team is his team. Now it's not like that. Drew Stanton feels disrespected (probably lied to) and now will likely force to be traded or cut. Mike signs Tebow and the whole situation (in the backs of minds and behind closed doors) is fuzzy again. Nothing etched in stone. A guy of Tebows "stardom" or "hype" infuses a feeling of impatience to Sanchez from the F.O. A feel of "Hey your the man but".

This is what floors me and everyone in Florham park realizes this. There will be a mess if Sanchez f*cks up. The sentiment was basically 2 years for Mark. 2 full seasons without distraction to hold the job. I accepted this and I felt it was fair. Not 1 QB is the same as the next. Therefore some might take 2 years others may take 5. I accepted the vote of confidence from the Jets but signing Tebow undoes all of this. Why? because instead of that 2 years, Mark won't go 5 games without feeling IMMENSE heat if the Jets aren't winning or playing well .

From the number of 15 jerseys in the stands, the camraderie Tebow will eventually have within the locker room. It just won't feel like Sanchez team and if Sanchez does fail to be the guy. He had a lot of help failing.

In closing I'll say as always I'll keep an open mind and explore different angles. I do know his mechanics are horrible so he'd really have to do something miraculous to actually push Sanchez. However when he's here he won't be running the wildcat it will be "the read option" which he has proven to be hell to stop when Tebows running it. So studying for Sanchez and studying for Tebow does pose a threat to other teams. It really puts a ton of emphasis on the opposing defenses week out. However trying to micromanage schemes, rhythm, feel for the game and when to implement these sets are going to be so meticulous because the biggest gripe about a "hybrid" style offensive set or read option/wildcat is disrupting the ebb & flow of the QB. You just can't call a WC play when he's in rhythm. If he's completed 3 or 4 in a row and he's in a groove don't call it. Mix it in wisely and it could work.

However all the things I listed above about their jobs, personalities, personal agendas, fans publicly voicing opinion, the media and pressure are still highly in the fray and in circulation waiting to rear its ugly head.

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 08:52 PM

is it completely out of the question for tebow to play a different position? he'd make a wonderful TE or HB with some fun options...
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Posted 22 March 2012 - 09:04 PM

View PostA1elbow, on 22 March 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

11, if you're talking about the option, then obviously Tebow is better suited to an offense that includes that. I am talking about people specifically going on about the Wildcat. They are, of course, two different things. The athleticism new generations of players are bringing, along with rules changes and spread offense philosophies, is making option plays more viable again. However, the Wildcat is tossed around as this magical run-pass system, when it is hardly opens the possibility of passes at all.

I don't think an offense built with a lot of option plays is a particularly good idea. If a team is including a lot of those plays they probably don't trust their QB much. A few of them I understand, more than that and the team must just be trying to patch holes when they should be looking to actually build an offense.

That is the main reason I dislike Tebow and why adding him doesn't bring anything to this team. Rather than bringing in a gimmick player they are going to throw in when the offense is stalling, if they don't think Mark is going to get the job done they should load up on backups they do think could. Right now the team is hedging their bets in a wholly inadequate way.



wildcat is just a version of the option with an unbalanced line. sooo what are you rambling on about? besides the fact that your still thinking way too narrowly about this.
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Posted 22 March 2012 - 09:06 PM

The option is a more of a methodology, the Wildcat is the term for a formation that utilizes it, not the other way around.
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Posted 22 March 2012 - 09:08 PM

What we need is to upgrade the OL by getting a new RT, we also need a real featured RB that can make plays, get a #2 WR, #2 TE that can block and catch. Then I will be fine with our offense, right now it looks extremely weak.
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 08:28 AM

A non Ganga dream.......smiling......

Trade Sanchez to Cleveland for their first round pick. Pick up Trent Richardson.....Ingram or Upshaw with the 16th pick.....then trade next year's first and this year's third round pick to get Barron in round one too. In the second round address the OL.

Ya Mon!!! LMAO
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 08:48 AM

View PostI-STILL-HATE-KOTITE, on 23 March 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

A non Ganga dream.......smiling......

Trade Sanchez to Cleveland for their first round pick. Pick up Trent Richardson.....Ingram or Upshaw with the 16th pick.....then trade next year's first and this year's third round pick to get Barron in round one too. In the second round address the OL.

Ya Mon!!! LMAO


Do you seriously want Tebow to be the starting QB?
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 09:31 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 21 March 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

Before I start this, let me just say that I hated this trade when I first heard it. I thought it was asinine and completely counterproductive to what we were trying to do. Then I thought about it...

1. Tebow is the perfect complement to Sanchez. Think about it. The Jets can go and unabashfully declare an "open QB competition" in camp, knowing full well that Sanchize will mop the floor with Tebow. On the other hand, Tebow's name recognition will add just a smidgen of validity to the whole "competition"... something that Drew Stanton simply wouldn't do.


well after hearing the press conference. there goes your first theory about a "open qb competition"
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 09:58 AM

View PostChaos, on 23 March 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:

Do you seriously want Tebow to be the starting QB?



Report: Tebow has sights set on starting job

Posted by Mike Florio on March 23, 2012, 10:12 AM EDT

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The beauty of bringing Tim Tebow to New York is that the Jets can now bench Mark Sanchez without ever benching him. As explained Thursday, the Jets can simply send in Tebow whenever Sanchez is struggling, calling it merely the use of the Wildcat/T-Bone offense.

Tebow may not be on board with that. According to Gary Myers of the New York Daily News, Tebow picked the Jets because Tebow sees a clear path to becoming the teamís starting quarterback.

The better approach will be to use both. Assuming the Jets have the wherewithal to install the Sanchize playbook and the T-Bone playsheet, opposing defense will have to spend time getting ready for Tebow ó and necessarily less time getting ready for Sanchez.

That definitely will come in handy when playing the Patriots, who have shown that they can successfully focus on Tebow and come up with a way to beat him.

Still, the Jets surely enter this process knowing that it could bring to a head the question of whether Sanchez can reach his potential as a quarterback and as a leader. Heíll either have to step up or step off, and Tebow will be more than ready to step in.
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:33 PM

Tebow to Jets actually makes absolutely no sense.


  • Sanchez just signed extension
  • 2 QB rotations NEVER work. Often tried always failed
  • We gave up draft picks. Something we desperately need.
  • Tebow isn't just a back-up. He's coming off a team as a starter.
  • Wildcat doesn't win championships
  • This was supposed to be Marks team. It not anymore. Not with Tebow here.
  • Creating more drama around the most critical position of the field.

I can just keep going.

The good?

  • He'll be a good teammate
  • preparing for Tebows "gadgetry" and Sanchez's "conventional" way will be tough on defenses.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:39 PM

View PostS-Dubb, on 23 March 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

Tebow to Jets actually makes absolutely no sense.


  • Sanchez just signed extension
  • 2 QB rotations NEVER work. Often tried always failed
  • We gave up draft picks. Something we desperately need.
  • Tebow isn't just a back-up. He's coming off a team as a starter.
  • Wildcat doesn't win championships
  • Creating more drama around the most critical position of the field.

I can just keep going.

The good?

  • He'll be a good teammate
  • preparing for Tebows "gadgetry" and Sanchez's "conventional" way will be tough on defenses.


continuation of bad list:

-we now have a backup who sucks and can't throw so if sanchez goes down or is benched we'll have this gimmick offense to run
-fans will be calling for sanchez as soon as he starts sucking like he usually does, creating the same scenario that denver had last year then we'll have this gimmick offense to run


the good?

The only possible good is if Sanchez actually plays well because someone is behind him that will play if he sucks.
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:53 PM

View Posttriple3s, on 23 March 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

continuation of bad list:

-we now have a backup who sucks and can't throw so if sanchez goes down or is benched we'll have this gimmick offense to run
-fans will be calling for sanchez as soon as he starts sucking like he usually does, creating the same scenario that denver had last year then we'll have this gimmick offense to run


the good?

The only possible good is if Sanchez actually plays well because someone is behind him that will play if he sucks.


Another point on the bad. You don't think teams in the NFL aren't going to watch the Patriots and K.C game tapes? They shut him down. The thing about the NFL everyone copies and uses what works. Remember the when MIA ran the wildcat? it was ran very well. It rocked teams and drove defenses into the ground. Thing is, once one team has success on it another team follows and adds, then the next team follows and adds.Then all the sudden it doesn't work and now it's virtually extinct. Same thing with Tebow. There is a reason the read option/Wildcat gimmicks dont work well in the NFL. Teams are too smart and too elite.

With that said I'm really pulling Sanchez.
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