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Posted 30 March 2012 - 03:36 PM

Say Melvin Ingram is gone, Michael Floyd is gone, Trent Richardson is gone. We are sitting there and David Decastro is available, would you take him? This is a guy who is a pretty safe pick, mots think hes a future all pro guard. While Guard isn't a huge need, it could represent best available player, and Slauson/Moore are both UFA after this season. Slauson is also coming off of significant surgery.

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 03:39 PM

I'm all for beefing up the trenches. Jets had some of their better success when the oline was stout.
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 03:43 PM

He probably won't fall to the Jets anyways, but I don't think I would be upset with the pick since its adding a great player.
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 03:54 PM

f*** no
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 03:55 PM

Everytime I hear "safe" pick I cringe. If none of the guys we're targeting is there, I'd rather move down.
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 04:13 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 30 March 2012 - 04:55 PM, said:

Everytime I hear "safe" pick I cringe. If none of the guys we're targeting is there, I'd rather move down.


To trade down you have to have someone willing to trade up to get a player they want.
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 04:16 PM

I rate Guards as the least important position on a football field.

Not that they don't make an impact, but the fact that they grow on f***ing trees. Only since we paid Faneca have Guards actually seen big contracts.
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 04:54 PM

Never. only o-line worth taking in the 1st is LT or C
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 05:00 PM

No
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 05:02 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 30 March 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

Never. only o-line worth taking in the 1st is LT or C


Quit stealing my motto!

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 05:25 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 30 March 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

Quit stealing my motto!

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lol and I still wouldn't even take a center top 15. LTs are worth the 1st overall pick if they are good enough. C are worth 16-32 if they are good enough. RTs and Guards should never be in the 1st round
Get it done MT
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 05:31 PM

You can't question the success that Steve Hutchinson and Alan Faneca had, the impact they had on run games. I believe you get the best players when you go best available.

And anyways, DeCastro most likely won't be on the board at 16, teams love him way too much.
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 05:45 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 30 March 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

lol and I still wouldn't even take a center top 15. LTs are worth the 1st overall pick if they are good enough. C are worth 16-32 if they are good enough. RTs and Guards should never be in the 1st round


I'd draft a center in the top 20, no doubt. Also a RT in the bottom half.


View PostJetsfan0099, on 30 March 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

You can't question the success that Steve Hutchinson and Alan Faneca had, the impact they had on run games. I believe you get the best players when you go best available.

And anyways, DeCastro most likely won't be on the board at 16, teams love him way too much.


Yeah, I didn't say they have no impact. I said you can find impactful Guards all over. That's how I've always felt.
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 08:02 AM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 30 March 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

To trade down you have to have someone willing to trade up to get a player they want.

Right on!! If there is no value for us at our pick trade down and pick up some extra picks. Our depth has been shitty for the past few years due to us trading away players and picks. Gaurd is not a need. Taclke Safety Pass Rush should be our focus.
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 09:00 AM

The teams that are consistently the best in the NFL are the teams that draft a replacement before that position becomes a need. Moore is getting older, and on the last year of his contract. Slauson has been serviceable, but hardly anything more than an average guard. You may think OG isn't a need this year, but you might see a totally different picture next year when Moore is no longer a Jet and Slauson has proven he's already reached his low ceiling. At the point, you might be wishing the Jets had taken DeCastro instead of one of the pass rushers that end up not panning out, simply because you thought the pass rush was the most important need.

I'm all for drafting players that have a very high probability of being successful. DeCastro has a very high floor, but also a very high ceiling...that's why he is considered a top 20 pick at OG. If the value of the board at 16 leaves DeCastro as the best player, take him.
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 02:26 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 31 March 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:

The teams that are consistently the best in the NFL are the teams that draft a replacement before that position becomes a need. Moore is getting older, and on the last year of his contract. Slauson has been serviceable, but hardly anything more than an average guard. You may think OG isn't a need this year, but you might see a totally different picture next year when Moore is no longer a Jet and Slauson has proven he's already reached his low ceiling. At the point, you might be wishing the Jets had taken DeCastro instead of one of the pass rushers that end up not panning out, simply because you thought the pass rush was the most important need.

I'm all for drafting players that have a very high probability of being successful. DeCastro has a very high floor, but also a very high ceiling...that's why he is considered a top 20 pick at OG. If the value of the board at 16 leaves DeCastro as the best player, take him.


I agree with drafting ahead but the OG position is one that can be filled without using a 1st. All I am saying is trade down before taking a OG that high in the first. If we had the 30th pick maybe.
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 02:43 PM

I wouldn't do it.

But like HJ said, I'd be more happy that we're drafting BPA if we ended up taking him. That's always been my draft philosophy and I don't think the Jets do it.
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 09:42 PM

yea man... spending a 1st on a RT is a no no. I thought about it once to. I always come back to the same answer. Hell to the no.
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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:20 AM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 31 March 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

The teams that are consistently the best in the NFL are the teams that draft a replacement before that position becomes a need. Moore is getting older, and on the last year of his contract. Slauson has been serviceable, but hardly anything more than an average guard. You may think OG isn't a need this year, but you might see a totally different picture next year when Moore is no longer a Jet and Slauson has proven he's already reached his low ceiling. At the point, you might be wishing the Jets had taken DeCastro instead of one of the pass rushers that end up not panning out, simply because you thought the pass rush was the most important need.

I'm all for drafting players that have a very high probability of being successful. DeCastro has a very high floor, but also a very high ceiling...that's why he is considered a top 20 pick at OG. If the value of the board at 16 leaves DeCastro as the best player, take him.


I agree with this. Not that Decastro will even fall to us, but if he does and is the highest rated guy than I would take him. Slauson is coming off of major shoulder surgery and is average to begin with, also both OG FA after the season. Want a ground and pound offense, have a dominant OL.

I would not be upset with taking Decastro, hes probably is a instant upgrade over Slauson. I rather not reach for a guy based off of need and get someone who is a so-so player.

I think the players I want at 16 right now are Melvin Ingram, Michael Floyd, David Decastro, or Mark Barron. If we miss out on Ingram I rather not reach for another pass rusher, don't see any being worthy of being picked at 16. I would love Vinny Curry round 2.
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Posted 02 April 2012 - 06:47 PM

I'm all for BPA but there is certain wrinkles in that.
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