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JETS LACK OF REDZONE OFFENSE STILL CURSING THE DEFENSE
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ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 12:47 PM) :zz:
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 12:53 PM) and no I will not say that Idzik needs to be canned cause he doesn't
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 12:54 PM) he just needs to find talent at the CB and WR positions while also improving in positions that are currently our strengths like DL and OL
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MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 01:45 PM) Best part of last night was Wayne Chrebet going onto the Ring of Honor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 02:04 PM) u think our oline is a strength? did u not see geno getting killed out there?
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 02:04 PM) LG is a shit position, colon is old and nto much left in the tank, brick and mangold are in decline, and brent is a below average RT at best
santana Icon : (Today, 04:26 PM) initiation is you have to high 5.... 5 pats fans in the span of a week
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 04:43 PM) i wonder how ronny is doing as a fins fan lol.
santana Icon : (Today, 04:55 PM) I think he got sick of being an nfl fan all together
santana Icon : (Today, 04:55 PM) but thats just speculation
santana Icon : (Today, 04:55 PM) I know its starting to make me sick
santana Icon : (Today, 04:56 PM) bad refs excessive commercials
santana Icon : (Today, 04:56 PM) shitty services available to stream it
santana Icon : (Today, 04:56 PM) loads of penalties
santana Icon : (Today, 04:56 PM) annoying replay system
santana Icon : (Today, 04:57 PM) ambiguous rules where the ref has to fucking explain everything to you
santana Icon : (Today, 04:58 PM) oh and the constant violence out side of the game. domestic abuse. murders. dui cases. gun charges. young players wanting to smoke weed with less repercussion. veteran players wanting less hgh testing to stay healthy and in the league
santana Icon : (Today, 04:59 PM) BUY BUD LIGHT GUYS AND A TACOMA NATIONWIDE IS ON YOUR SIDE PAPAJOHNS DISCOUNT DOUBLE fuck you you will buy it!
santana Icon : (Today, 04:59 PM) end rant
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 05:08 PM) lol NFL is a big money business, sometimes to run something that big, your gonna have some a-holes involved. any big company is like that
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 05:10 PM) i might not wanna read this then http://nyjetsfan.com...showtopic=38459
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ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 05:47 PM) Ellis Lankster has been cut by the JETS
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 05:49 PM) Phillip Adams should of been cut not Lankster
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 05:49 PM) IMO
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 05:49 PM) especially since Adams got fooled on that TD last night
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 06:02 PM) and still I'm not a mod WTF?!?!?!?!
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Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 06:52 PM) why not sign a Champ Bailey or Asante Samuel, at least those guys know how to play. Phillip Adams just embarrassed himself on that one TD play, like that is cut worthy.
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azjetfan Icon : (Today, 07:21 PM) I believe they are trying to roll cap space into next year.
azjetfan Icon : (Today, 07:21 PM) Meanwhile back in hazard county....
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 07:34 PM) f*** initiation just make it fuckin happen
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Hayden Smith Signs With Jets Rugby player projects as TE

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 09:01 PM

View Postsantana, on 03 April 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

He looks like witten

But you are right you need a legit qb to make a TE a somebody


Keller might never have one.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 09:04 PM

View PostS-Dubb, on 04 April 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:

Keller might never have one.


Keller is a nobody. If we had Brady or Manning then he would be a nobody who had a great second or third year and then signed a disgusting contract with Washington and ended up on a milk carton.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 09:11 PM

View PostA1elbow, on 04 April 2012 - 10:04 PM, said:

Keller is a nobody. If we had Brady or Manning then he would be a nobody who had a great second or third year and then signed a disgusting contract with Washington and ended up on a milk carton.


I disagree.

Give the guy a thrower. Put him with any of the top QB's in the league he'd be a beast. He's a miss match nightmare. People underrate him because he's not in an can utilize him correctly, and he doesn't have a QB that can get him the football enough.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 09:56 PM

View PostS-Dubb, on 04 April 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

I disagree.

Give the guy a thrower. Put him with any of the top QB's in the league he'd be a beast. He's a miss match nightmare. People underrate him because he's not in an can utilize him correctly, and he doesn't have a QB that can get him the football enough.


I criticize him because he never gets open and people say he would be elite elsewhere. Well, if you have to be in the right situation, I don't consider you elite. Tony Gonzalez played in multiple offenses and now on multiple teams and looked good. That is a great TE. Much like what people say about Sanchez, if you have to have a perfect storm, you aren't that special.

When I watched the Jets I never saw Keller getting open. His catches he was mostly covered. If he couldn't get open sometimes, I don't see what is so special about him.


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Posted 04 April 2012 - 10:59 PM

View PostA1elbow, on 04 April 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

I criticize him because he never gets open and people say he would be elite elsewhere. Well, if you have to be in the right situation, I don't consider you elite. Tony Gonzalez played in multiple offenses and now on multiple teams and looked good. That is a great TE. Much like what people say about Sanchez, if you have to have a perfect storm, you aren't that special.

When I watched the Jets I never saw Keller getting open. His catches he was mostly covered. If he couldn't get open sometimes, I don't see what is so special about him.


I agree for the most part. Keller is no where near the top 5 TEs in the league but by TE standards he is a solid catcher.
I believe the TE really depends on the play of the QB. Watching Favre utilize keller was very different to how we have seen keller being used the past three years.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 02:12 PM

View PostA1elbow, on 05 April 2012 - 03:56 AM, said:

I criticize him because he never gets open and people say he would be elite elsewhere. Well, if you have to be in the right situation, I don't consider you elite. Tony Gonzalez played in multiple offenses and now on multiple teams and looked good. That is a great TE. Much like what people say about Sanchez, if you have to have a perfect storm, you aren't that special.

When I watched the Jets I never saw Keller getting open. His catches he was mostly covered. If he couldn't get open sometimes, I don't see what is so special about him.


Keller's greatest weakness to me is the fact he's so inconsistent over the course of a game. He'll start off with two or three catches before going missing for the next two and a half quarters before reappearing as the fourth quarter winds down.

With Smith, it will be interesting to see how he translates. He should be good with the ball in his hands, but it's route running, reading defences and catching in traffic that will be most difficult for him. When you receive the ball in rugby, the entire defence is generally still in front of you because of the need to pass backwards.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:13 PM

in 4 years he's never missed a game, never had under 500 yards, and had 850 yards last year and 65 catches. both of which were team high. how can you say he is a nobody?

anyway i'd rather us get someone who can play OLB and rush the passer then a TE
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:37 PM

The TE position is evolving faster than defenses in many ways and the position is overall producing better stats than they used to. Two or three TEs used to be considered solid receivers, now at least half the teams have someone who could fit the bill. But what a good receiving TE is needs to be redefined

Fourteen of the top fifty receivers were TEs last year. In 01 there were four. In 02, four. In 03, four. 91? Four. 92...four.

In 01 seven TEs went over 500 yards. Last year there were twenty. Two years ago there were twenty-two.

The position can no longer be judged on being anything special because you broke 500 yards like TEs used to be. Keller is one of a number of TEs who produce good stats, but he isn't elite at his position. TEs still block and he isn't good at that. His receiving stats, while solid, are not exemplary.

The guy is below average in half the job and just slightly above average in the other half. That is what makes a mediocre player.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:42 PM

View PostA1elbow, on 05 April 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

The guy is below average in half the job and just slightly above average in the other half. That is what makes a mediocre player.


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Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:53 PM

View PostA1elbow, on 05 April 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

The TE position is evolving faster than defenses in many ways and the position is overall producing better stats than they used to. Two or three TEs used to be considered solid receivers, now at least half the teams have someone who could fit the bill. But what a good receiving TE is needs to be redefined

Fourteen of the top fifty receivers were TEs last year. In 01 there were four. In 02, four. In 03, four. 91? Four. 92...four.

In 01 seven TEs went over 500 yards. Last year there were twenty. Two years ago there were twenty-two.

The position can no longer be judged on being anything special because you broke 500 yards like TEs used to be. Keller is one of a number of TEs who produce good stats, but he isn't elite at his position. TEs still block and he isn't good at that. His receiving stats, while solid, are not exemplary.

The guy is below average in half the job and just slightly above average in the other half. That is what makes a mediocre player.


who do you consider elite? what ETs can you say are hands down overall better? graham might be the best recieving one but he cna't block for shit. Gronk is probably the best overall TE in the NFL right there with whitten. both are great blockers and elite WRs so those 3 i'll say are better then keller and are elite. outside of them who is better then keller?
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 05:20 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 05 April 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

who do you consider elite? what ETs can you say are hands down overall better? graham might be the best recieving one but he cna't block for shit. Gronk is probably the best overall TE in the NFL right there with whitten. both are great blockers and elite WRs so those 3 i'll say are better then keller and are elite. outside of them who is better then keller?


As a receiver, he is probably top ten. As a blocker he is not even close to any number of TEs. Even as a receiver he has to compete with Gronkowski, Graham, Finley, Witten, Gates...and a few others. Some of those guys are clearly better blockers than him. If he isn't even an average blocking TE, how am I supposed to consider him better overall than a true explosive receiving TE like Vernon Davis or Jermichael Finley?

Maybe Keller is top twenty as a TE, but he isn't top three or five by any stretch of the imagination. He could go somewhere with a great line where he never had to block but rarely and they threw the ball a lot and succeed and look great, but anywhere he has to block he is going to be obviously not special.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 05:24 PM

He's an H-Back, not a TE.
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