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MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) good
MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) Best day of the week is the day after a Jets Win!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
santana Icon : (19 September 2016 - 08:08 AM) Thanks professor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:55 PM) updated roster. FB howsare released, TE bowman added to roster
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Countdown To The 2012 Draft Wide Receiver Liquidation Sale!!!

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 10:09 AM

This draft is as deeeeeep at the WR position as I imagine any draft has ever, or will ever be...ever. It doesn't have the elite talent at the top, Justin Blackmon would probably be drafted after last year's Julio Jones and A.J. Green. What this draft does have is the mid round prospects who are a great slot receiver, or a tall red zone target, etc. I would be very upset if the Jets don't draft a WR at some point in this draft. There are simply too many solid prospects available in the middle rounds to pass on this opportunity.

For the sake of time, and because I just don't care that much, I'm going to give two word descriptions for the top 5 prospects...you all know them anyway.

Justin Blackmon - Routes & Hands
Michael Floyd - Big & Deep (Relax ya perverts)
Kendall Wright - Little Speedster
Stephen Hill - All Potential
Rueben Randle - f***ing Inconsistent

For the rest of them, I have grouped them into 3 overly simplistic types of WRs, Possession, Slot, and Deep Threats. Obviously, it is all more complicated than that, but it instantly gives you a good idea of what each WR brings to the table.

Enjoy.

POSSESSION

Posted ImageAlshon Jeffery - 6'3" 215 - Fatty has some of the best ball skills in the draft. He can go up and get it with the best of them. Unfortunately, his speed sucks and he will have trouble creating separation at the next level. He is a good, not great route runner...and with his size and lack of suddeness this will likely always be the case. Jeffery could be a good compliment to Holmes and Kerley's shiftiness, and some teams might look at converting him to TE.

Posted ImageMarvin Jones - 6'2" 200 - Understands the game, does the little things well. Jones has quick little feet and short area quickness that he uses to get around defenders and make them miss. He has great hands, but also lets some balls get into his body he shouldn't...that being said he doesn't really drop any so it's hard to critique. He can use his size and leaping ability to win some deep jump balls, but he isn't a speedster and will make his living running the short-intermediate routes. Bonus: His name will roll nice and easy of the tongues of Jets fans.

Posted ImageNick Toon - 6'2" 215 - Son of Jet great Al Toon, Nick's career probably won't be as celebrated. A solid prospect none the less, he is a crafty route runner, and uses his size well to box out defenders. Toon is oft-injured though, and his bruiser style doesn't do him any favors in this department. He is also a solid blocker, albeit not as good as his size would indicate. Bonus: Photo is of Toon catching the ball over former Jet camp fodder Donavan Warren.

Posted ImageMarvin McNutt - 6'3" 215 - See: http://nyjetsfan.com...showtopic=36432 . Sorry, told you I was lazy. One other thing, he is supposedly a great leader and hard worker, receiving several team awards. Bonus: Deep pass catch phrase for Marvin could be, "Busting a McNutt wide open!"


SLOT

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Ryan Broyles - 5'10" 190 - The all time NCAA leader in receptions (#2 in yards) unfortunately tore his ACL midway through his senior season. Broyles is your prototypical slot receiver: good routes, qood lateral quickness, good hands. Broyles was never a burner, but he still has to hope his speed isn't too affected by the ACL tear. He hasn't worked out yet due to the injury, but has a pro day scheduled. That workout will go a long way in determining his draft stock. With a good workout he could see the end of the second round, with a sub par workout teams will be afraid of his recovery and that could push him down to the later rounds.

Posted ImageA.J. Jenkins - 6'0" 190 - Jenkins does everything well. He is a smooth athlete that can create separation with quickness, but can get pushed around a bit due to his smaller size. A solid hands catcher, Jenkins is also tough enough to work the middle and secure the ball while taking a hit. Jenkins has been very productive, catching 90 passes for 1,276 yards and 8 TDs this past season. The only question to me, and the only thing keeping him from being considered a much better prospect (other than his lack of size), is that some question his effort. He seems to take off plays and give inconsistent effort. Note: I've slotted Jenkins with the slot WR's mainly due to his size and shifty route running, but he has the speed to threaten deep.

Posted ImageDevon Wylie - 5'9" 185 - Wylie is another prototypical slot receiver, only with great speed, as he blazed a 4.39 at the combine. The problem for Wylie isn't his ability, it's his inability to stay healthy. He has missed time in 2008, 2009, and all of 2010 due to injury. He is also a shorter, smaller wide receiver. But, Wylie is a naturally gifted route runner (though he could use some polish in this area), has great hands, and can threaten any point on the field (screen, middle, deep, etc). Bonus: Return skills.

Posted ImageT.Y. Hilton - 5'9" 185 - Another of your small but fast slot guys. Unfortunately, I think T.Y. Hilton used his superior athleticism to run around lesser opponents playing for Florida International. He does have a good burst, and was an exceptional return man in college...but he will need a bit of coaching and polish and will likely never be more than a special teamer and occasional gadget player. Perhaps I should have grouped Hilton with the deep threats, but due to his size I think he will need to develop his short-intermediate routes to be successful in the NFL.

DEEP THREATS

Posted ImageTommy Streeter - 6'5" 220 - A one year wonder, it's very hard to judge Streeter's pro potential. He has a great combination of height and speed, posting a 4.4 at 6'-5". Streeter's senior year saw him become a lethal deep threat, but he still lacks the technical skills of a WR. His one year wonder could be due to a lot things, mainly the change in coaching staff this past season, but it is still a big red flag. I think Streeter is a solid value in the 5th or 6th round, but could possibly go much earlier and therefore probably not worth it in a draft this deep at WR.

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Travis Benjamin 5'11" 175 - A true big play threat (and skinny bitch), the hope is Benjamin could be like DeSean Jackson...the reality is probably a lot less. Benjamin has true speed, clocked at 4.36 at the combine, and unlike a lot of players also plays up to that speed in games. He has the athleticism to run great routes, but for now we'll call him a "solid" route runner with room for improvement. He is willing to go over the middle, but isn't overly effective here. Benjamin's biggest obstacle is his hands...he lets the ball into his body way too often, but he can track and adjust well to the ball in the air. Bonus: Excellent return man. Double Bonus: Killer Dreads.


Some more players you can look up on your own damn time...

B.J. Cunningham

Mohamed Sanu

Juron Criner

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 10:13 AM

Good stuff.

McNutt and Marvin Jones are two of my favorite under the radar receivers in the draft.

Think you have Hill rated way too high, though.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 10:20 AM

View PostJetsman05, on 06 April 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

Good stuff.

McNutt and Marvin Jones are two of my favorite under the radar receivers in the draft.

Think you have Hill rated way too high, though.


Yeah completely agree on Hill, not a fan of him. I suppose I should have used the word 'consensus' top 5. This doesn't really represent my rankings. Quite frankly I don't really ever try to rank players...it's too uniform a system to use for a very diverse question. Is player A really better than player B? They offer different abilities with different levels of risk/reward, so how can you really rank them?

PS - Love Marvin Jones, too.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 10:42 AM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 06 April 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

Yeah completely agree on Hill, not a fan of him. I suppose I should have used the word 'consensus' top 5. This doesn't really represent my rankings. Quite frankly I don't really ever try to rank players...it's too uniform a system to use for a very diverse question. Is player A really better than player B? They offer different abilities with different levels of risk/reward, so how can you really rank them?

PS - Love Marvin Jones, too.


Cheers. I'm mostly the same way with my rankings, and mock and things. I do it all according to my plan, not what will happen.

PS - I also love Dwight Jones.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 03:29 PM

Great stuff hurricane. you werent lazy at all btw, even just the little info you got on every person im sure took some time and dedication and you went over a good amount of prospects really nice stuff.


P.S. i was gunna ask you about tommy streeter because i stumbled over a highlight video of him yesterday and wanted your thoughts, but i look today and i see that question is already answered. Real good stuff bro.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 03:42 PM

I want a big WR opposite of Holmes, I think Kerley will be a quality slot receiver for us so we need a #2 guy. Floyd and Blackmon aren't falling to us, I am intrigued by the talent Hill has but little production.

I would be interested in grabbing Alshon Jeffery round 2, just hope that he doesn't blow up again. He ran a 4.48 at his proday. He would give a big target for our inaccurate QBs. I would be worried about going with a smaller WR because all our receivers will be shorter guys for a inaccurate QB. Besides Schilens and Turner but they are 4th and 5th guys. I think a 6'3 WR would be ideal for our #2 spot, especially could help in redzone situations.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 04:03 PM

I really want stephen hill. He looked so impressive in all the drills. I think he could be huge for us. We could draft 2 WRs and i would love to see nick toon in a jets jersey for obvious reasons. if we can grab toon and hill we'd be set at WR with them kerly schillens and holmes
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 04:20 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 06 April 2012 - 05:03 PM, said:

I really want stephen hill. He looked so impressive in all the drills. I think he could be huge for us. We could draft 2 WRs and i would love to see nick toon in a jets jersey for obvious reasons. if we can grab toon and hill we'd be set at WR with them kerly schillens and holmes


2 WR picks in the first 4 rounds?

You have an ungoldy fetish with Hill after just watching him in spandex working out.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 04:42 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 06 April 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

2 WR picks in the first 4 rounds?

You have an ungoldy fetish with Hill after just watching him in spandex working out.


yeah we could use it. its a major need. but i'm ok not getting toon. Just like the idea of a Jets legend having his son play for the jets. right now we have only 1 WR sthats worthy of starting and thats holmes. kerly I think is a good slot guy but I wouldn't make him a starter yet. He's better off being the #3 WR. I don't think schillens is anything great so he should be the 4. Who will be the #2? we could bring back braylon thats all I see out there. I think hill can start from day 1 for us though. I'd take him in the second if we can and take OLB in the 1st and RT in the 3rd

And yeah hill is my man crush right now for sure. We need him in jet green
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 04:52 PM

A team that just signed Tim Tebow and is supposedly all about the run run run isn't going to be drafting a WR in the first 2 rounds, let alone 2 in the top of the draft. This is a great write up. I want the guy with the dreds. Maybe we can convert him to FS.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 04:57 PM

We don't need 2 WRs, we are going to be a run team. Just pick a WR high to be the #2 WR and we'll be fine.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:09 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 06 April 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

We don't need 2 WRs, we are going to be a run team. Just pick a WR high to be the #2 WR and we'll be fine.


we don't need 2 of them, I'm just saying i'd like to have toon on the team for fan reasons. not saying we should draft him. I still stick by my original mock of
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1st upshaw or ingram or mercilus (OLB) whichever one is available
2nd Stephen Hill (WR)
3rd Bobbie Massie (RT)
4th Safety
5th TE
6th O-line
7th WR
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:26 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 06 April 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

we don't need 2 of them, I'm just saying i'd like to have toon on the team for fan reasons. not saying we should draft him. I still stick by my original mock of
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1st upshaw or ingram or mercilus (OLB) whichever one is available
2nd Stephen Hill (WR)
3rd Bobbie Massie (RT)
4th Safety
5th TE
6th O-line
7th WR


We drafted Tebow with the 4th pick.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 10:03 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 06 April 2012 - 04:20 PM, said:

2 WR picks in the first 4 rounds?

You have an ungoldy fetish with Hill after just watching him in spandex working out.


115 has previously tried to argue that both Coles and Holmes were top ten receivers. I'm guessing that is his favorite position.
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Exterminate all rational thought, that is the conclusion I have come to
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 11:02 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 06 April 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

We drafted Tebow with the 4th pick.


true but we have comp picks
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 10:29 AM

I thInk regardless of how you feel about Stephen Hill, with so many holes and a draft so deep at WR...it probably isn't the best idea to draft a WR so early.
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 07:25 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 07 April 2012 - 08:29 AM, said:

I thInk regardless of how you feel about Stephen Hill, with so many holes and a draft so deep at WR...it probably isn't the best idea to draft a WR so early.


I understand but we need a stud WR. when was the last time we had one? we could get a good one later on but i'd really like a stud one. still I wouldn't be disappointed if we went OLB in the 1st and 2nd
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 09:31 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 07 April 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:

I understand but we need a stud WR. when was the last time we had one? we could get a good one later on but i'd really like a stud one. still I wouldn't be disappointed if we went OLB in the 1st and 2nd


Unfortunately the Jets are paying Santonio Holmes to be that stud...whether he is or not. Plus, Stephen Hill is hardly a guaranteed stud prospect. The Jets have too many holes for a luxury pick like that...at least in my opinion.
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 10:21 PM

I have a feeling the Jets take a WR with one of their first 2 picks.
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